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[Challseus]

draken-heart wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

I am more worried about the timeframe. ONE WHOLE YEAR!? that seems weird and unnecessary.

Have you seen the scope of this thing? One year is good and standard.

The added races because of the extension. not the other way around. Working on it until the tail end of summer and releasing it early fall is good. But keeping it for a whole year is unnecessary.

How can you possibly even be qualified to make this statement, unless you actually work at Bioware? We have absolutely no idea what state the game is in, and no idea about things I'm sure they're adding in that they just haven't decided to talk about yet?

[Kaidan Fan]

I think the DA teams knows how to spend their resources, it's not their first venture into game making. And they seem to have EA support atm.

I was one of the people who was extremely disappointed and underwhelmed with the ending of ME3, but with EC it was okay enough I (gasp) got over it and didn't let it jade my view of all games. I'll gladly buy DAI and judge it for myself and form my own opinions. If I like it, I'll be happy. If I don't, it'll go on the shelf of unplayed games and I'll play something else.

But, I digress and don't want to derail or make ME3 comparisons.

I'm excited for it. Hopeful for it. Happy with what I'm seeing. And pre-ordering.

[Daralii]

cjones91 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

It will disappoint a LOT of people - because people cannot be pleased.

However - that is ultimately not a problem with Bioware - but with humanity as a whole.

If they didn't reach their mark of the things they're claiming - we can discuss in a few months. That's something that can be argued objectively.

Ehh...I don't know about the whole people cannot be pleased part because if the game is good then most will be satisfied.

People are ultimately going to complain no matter what.

People complained that DA:O wasn't the same as Baldur's Gate, was too similar to Baldur's Gate, too slow, too fast, etc.

[jontepwn]

We'll have no way of knowing until the game is out.

Personally I am extremely impressed with what they've been showing so far, so I think they're ambitious but not overly so.

[cjones91]

Daralii wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

It will disappoint a LOT of people - because people cannot be pleased.

However - that is ultimately not a problem with Bioware - but with humanity as a whole.

If they didn't reach their mark of the things they're claiming - we can discuss in a few months. That's something that can be argued objectively.

Ehh...I don't know about the whole people cannot be pleased part because if the game is good then most will be satisfied.

People are ultimately going to complain no matter what.

People complained that DA:O wasn't the same as Baldur's Gate, was too similar to Baldur's Gate, too slow, too fast, etc.

But if DA:I is the best game of 2014 then the complaints will be minimal.

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: I bet every best game of the year has constant complaints on their forums about "something".

For Bioware - it's probably the inane obsessed over "romances".

[Pauravi]

Challseus wrote...

AlexJK wrote...

Reading these forums does make you wonder why anyone would ever bother making a game sometimes...

This.

Double this.

I'm glad BioWare keeps creating games for us, and I'm glad that they still seem to love it, but for their sake I wish I could do something to shield them from the tide of constant soul-sucking pessimism on this forum.  There has never been a more tiresome gaggle of ingrates assembled in the history of history.

And yes, I realize that the tenor of the OP's post wasn't really negative, but the title of the thread illustrates my point; even when they do something right, the forum asks whether they're doing something wrong.  It must be depressing and disheartening to visit this place as a BioWare employee.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Right now, as far as I'm concerned, they are trying to reach for the heavens and soar in the sky. Correcting long standing problems, adding and improving features that have been in demand since previous games, adding new features no one ever thought possible, making all of it seem gorgeously presented with excellent voice work, combined with the making it all at an affordable price. I hope they can pull it off, and their passion and ambition are not the problem, it's whether they have the resources and time, even with the extension in date, to pull all these off, and still have an enough time to write an excellent story with little bugs and glitches in the game.

Whether they are Icarus flying too close to the sun, or Apollo, the one driving the sun in the first place, remains to be seen. I'm routing for the later.

[Sylvianus]

[quote]N7recruit wrote...[quote]N7recruit wrote...

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

I
don't get the M3 comparison. Its development wasn't at all ambitious
since they streamlined, removed, rushed many things and not necessarily
because of resources. This isn't at all what I'd call ambition.
[/quote]

Not
to de rail the tread too much here but for me it was ME2 that screwed
the pooch for those games, Over designed it withway too much meaningless
Plots & Characters.
Thus leaving ME3 to do too much work for just one game. [/quote]
It's true that it began in M2, but what MA team did with auto-dialogue, dialogue wheel ( worse than in M2 ), ending, choices fetch quests, romance, ( in short removing many rpg elements )  seemed stronger in M3. After the criticism in M2, I really would have think that they could totally fix this mistake. ( i was wrong. )

At least we could agree that it was not ambitious....

Modifié par Sylvianus, 31 août 2013 - 11:59 .

[spirosz]

Pauravi wrote...

even when they do something right, 

Well, technically, they'll only be seen as doing right when the game hits shelves and they get our reaction, lol.

[cjones91]

Pauravi wrote...

Challseus wrote...

AlexJK wrote...

Reading these forums does make you wonder why anyone would ever bother making a game sometimes...

This.

Double this.

I'm glad BioWare keeps creating games for us, and I'm glad that they still seem to love it, but for their sake I wish I could do something to shield them from the tide of constant soul-sucking pessimism on this forum.  There has never been a more tiresome gaggle of ingrates assembled in the history of history.

And yes, I realize that the tenor of the OP's post wasn't really negative, but the title of the thread illustrates my point; even when they do something right, the forum asks whether they're doing something wrong.  It must be depressing and disheartening to visit this place as a BioWare employee.

These forums are small fry compared to ones like the Sonic forums.You want to see negativity then take a peak over there.Also stop treating Bioware like a baby since they can take care of themselves and are ran by adults not kids who get picked on at school.

Modifié par cjones91, 31 août 2013 - 11:44 .

[draken-heart]

Challseus wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

I am more worried about the timeframe. ONE WHOLE YEAR!? that seems weird and unnecessary.

Have you seen the scope of this thing? One year is good and standard.

The added races because of the extension. not the other way around. Working on it until the tail end of summer and releasing it early fall is good. But keeping it for a whole year is unnecessary.

How can you possibly even be qualified to make this statement, unless you actually work at Bioware? We have absolutely no idea what state the game is in, and no idea about things I'm sure they're adding in that they just haven't decided to talk about yet?

I just do not see why the extension was necessary. It seems like to me they extended it just for fanservice, when all of those resources could have been spent on a better story for the game, and not on things like more races or even the horned folk.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Pauravi wrote...

Challseus wrote...

AlexJK wrote...

Reading these forums does make you wonder why anyone would ever bother making a game sometimes...

This.

Double this.

I'm glad BioWare keeps creating games for us, and I'm glad that they still seem to love it, but for their sake I wish I could do something to shield them from the tide of constant soul-sucking pessimism on this forum.  There has never been a more tiresome gaggle of ingrates assembled in the history of history.

And yes, I realize that the tenor of the OP's post wasn't really negative, but the title of the thread illustrates my point; even when they do something right, the forum asks whether they're doing something wrong.  It must be depressing and disheartening to visit this place as a BioWare employee.

I'm sorry, was the thread title "DAI will suck because it's doing too much"? Or "The devs should be fired for over ambition"?

No? Than please stop acting and condeming people as if that were the case. This thread is asking a valid question, is dragon age inquisition reaching too high?

I know everyone wants to answer with a "of course not". Everyone wants this game to do well and be a great game, that I don't doubt. But with so many things they are doing, and the sheer difficulty invovled, is it so wrong to wonder if over-exsertion might occur in the game? Simply asking the question is not sending negativity towards someone, especially when its a simple question that has reasonable grounds. There are many, many threads, praising bioware for what they've done today. Will one level headed thread keeping a reason driveb skeptical stance really be enough to bring bioware falling into the pits of depression, so much so that they require shielding to protect them?

Save your fury for when something truely negative and needlessly pesemestic occurs. Not just for any form of questioning bioware may face.

[LinksOcarina]

Yes. It can. It is what happened with Dragon Age II.

Will it, that remains to be seen.

[Sylvianus]

DAII was bound given the timeline. I'm not sure it would have been a succes with or without ambition.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 31 août 2013 - 11:52 .

[cjones91]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Challseus wrote...

AlexJK wrote...

Reading these forums does make you wonder why anyone would ever bother making a game sometimes...

This.

Double this.

I'm glad BioWare keeps creating games for us, and I'm glad that they still seem to love it, but for their sake I wish I could do something to shield them from the tide of constant soul-sucking pessimism on this forum.  There has never been a more tiresome gaggle of ingrates assembled in the history of history.

And yes, I realize that the tenor of the OP's post wasn't really negative, but the title of the thread illustrates my point; even when they do something right, the forum asks whether they're doing something wrong.  It must be depressing and disheartening to visit this place as a BioWare employee.

I'm sorry, was the thread title "DAI will suck because it's doing too much"? Or "The devs should be fired for over ambition"?

No? Than please stop acting and condeming people as if that were the case. This thread is asking a valid question, is dragon age inquisition reaching too high?

I know everyone wants to answer with a "of course not". Everyone wants this game to do well and be a great game, that I don't doubt. But with so many things they are doing, and the sheer difficulty invovled, is it so wrong to wonder if over-exsertion might occur in the game? Simply asking the question is not sending negativity towards someone, especially when its a simple question that has reasonable grounds. There are many, many threads, praising bioware for what they've done today. Will one level headed thread keeping a reason driveb skeptical stance really be enough to bring bioware falling into the pits of depression, so much so that they require shielding to protect them?

Save your fury for when something truely negative and needlessly pesemestic occurs. Not just for any form of questioning bioware may face.

I wonder how Bioware feels when people treat them like they are delicate babies?If it were me I would be just as annoyed with them as the ones who complain about everything I do.

[AresKeith]

Sylvianus wrote...

DAII was bound as hell given the timeline. I'm not sure it would have been a succes with or without ambition.

Who's idea was that anyway?

[cjones91]

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

DAII was bound as hell given the timeline. I'm not sure it would have been a succes with or without ambition.

Who's idea was that anyway?

Ea's.

[Sylvianus]

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

DAII was bound as hell given the timeline. I'm not sure it would have been a succes with or without ambition.

Who's idea was that anyway?

Ah yes, Ea.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 31 août 2013 - 11:56 .

[Zack_Nero]

On that case Skyrim should of been a failure too

[Korusus]

draken-heart wrote...

Challseus wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

I am more worried about the timeframe. ONE WHOLE YEAR!? that seems weird and unnecessary.

Have you seen the scope of this thing? One year is good and standard.

The added races because of the extension. not the other way around. Working on it until the tail end of summer and releasing it early fall is good. But keeping it for a whole year is unnecessary.

How can you possibly even be qualified to make this statement, unless you actually work at Bioware? We have absolutely no idea what state the game is in, and no idea about things I'm sure they're adding in that they just haven't decided to talk about yet?

I just do not see why the extension was necessary. It seems like to me they extended it just for fanservice, when all of those resources could have been spent on a better story for the game, and not on things like more races or even the horned folk.

Methinks you should read some of David Gaider's blogs about writing for videogames and how BioWare distributes its resources.  It would be enlightening for you I feel.

[cjones91]

Zack_Nero wrote...

On that case Skyrim should of been a failure too

To some Skyrim was a broken mess....just ask the PS3 players.