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[Wickwrackscar]

Wulfram wrote...

General Distress wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if they scrapped the "Orleasians speak french" paradigm altogether.

So how does Leliana speak if they do that?

There could still be exceptions for whatever reasons. Maybe it's regional, maybe it's social class, or maybe it's something that gets explained someday. They did it with the qunari horns in a similar way.

[phantomrachie]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

In Exile wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
But when having a different accent contradicts logic (namely that to be in a position to become the Orlesian First Enchanter you would have lied in the Orlesian circle for a good amount of time, probably even having grown up in it) I don't really think it's right to stick a more familiar accent on a character just to appease fans. It's part of her backstory surely, just like with Leliana.

As the Amell Warden illustrates, mages are sent off all over the place. They don't have to stay in the Circle of the region they're native to. 

But they are also usually sent when they are young, and if Vivienne is old bough to be First Enchanter then she must have spent a lot of time in the circle and would have gained an Orlesian accent (from her character description, it seems like she was raised in the circle, it doesn't seem like being an apostate would be to her liking).

I suppose she may have been moved for some reason, but I can't think why. And the name point still stands, 'Vivienne' is clearly intended to be Orlesian

I'm not sure her name or her accent mean as much as you think. My Mam is from Belfast but has lived in Dublin for 30 years and she still has her Belfast accent. I know plenty of Irish who have English or French names. Vivienne could have been born Orlesian and then been sent to another circle and gained her accent there like Aveline or she could be from Rivain but one of her parents were Orlesian hense the name or they could of just liked it.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

So she was born in Orlais, went to the Orlesian circle, then went to another circle to grow up, then came BACK to the Orlesian and stayed there for enough time to become the first enchanter?

I suppose it's possible, seems a bit over the top though......

[Potato Cat]

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Elfman wrote...

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

Then she would presumably still call hersel Vivian and we would know her as such.

[Clertar]

I don't think it's ever been answered whether the Orlesian accent is a regional accent and everybody speaks the same "common language" (so Fereldan is to Orlesian what Scots is to Aussie, for example), or whether Orlesians are non-native speakers of "common language" and thus Orlesian accent is a foreign accent.

Modifié par Clertar, 01 septembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[Potato Cat]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

Then she would presumably still call hersel Vivian and we would know her as such.

Well judging by her clothes, she's adopted an Orlesian culture. It's understandable that she might have made a slight alteration to her name. 

I play a LOT of Crusader Kings 2, and people are always changing their names to cultural equivalents when they change cultures.

[Noviere]

Well, ethnically speaking she appears to be Rivaini. Perhaps she was born and raised in Orlais, but one or both of her parents weren't native Orlesian.

Modifié par Noviere, 01 septembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[JJDXB]

Clertar wrote...

I don't think it's ever been answered whether the Orlesian accent is a regional accent and everybody speaks the same "common language" (so Fereldan is to Orlesian what Scots is to Aussie, for example), or whether Orlesians are non-native speakers of "common language" and thus Orlesian accent is a foreign accent.

All humans speaking the "common language" are speaking in a foreign accent, because "common" was originally the trade language of the dwarves.

As for native languages, I wouldn't mind them scrapping that whole thing.  It's already a bit hard to wrap your head around how absolutely everyone except the Fereldans speak the same language but as a secondary one.

Modifié par JBDXB, 01 septembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[mikeymoonshine]

Elfman wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

Then she would presumably still call hersel Vivian and we would know her as such.

Well judging by her clothes, she's adopted an Orlesian culture. It's understandable that she might have made a slight alteration to her name. 

I play a LOT of Crusader Kings 2, and people are always changing their names to cultural equivalents when they change cultures.

The clothes thing could just be the style that a senior enchanter would wear in Orlais. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Noviere wrote...

Well, ethnically speaking she appears to be Rivaini. Perhaps she was born and raised in Orlais, but one or both of her parents weren't native Orlesian.

That's a good point you can get your accent from your parents then again she's a mage so she wouldn't see her perents would she? Then again some accents just stick, i have quite a posh accent from when I lived in london even though my family Left London when i was about six. I just never adopted the skightly regional accent people have here even though my younger siblings have. 

[JJDXB]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

Then she would presumably still call hersel Vivian and we would know her as such.

Vivian is technically a man's name, so no.  The female equivalent would be Viviane, Vivianne or Vivienne.

EDIT:  I've just remembered Riordan.  He's a Ferelden from Highever, but speaks with an Orlesian accent.  Presumably, Vivienne can be an Orlesian from Montsimmard or Val Royeaux or whatever but speaks with non-Orlesian accent.

Modifié par JBDXB, 01 septembre 2013 - 01:13 .

[Noviere]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

That's a good point you can get your accent from your parents then again she's a mage so she wouldn't see her perents would she? Then again some accents just stick, i have quite a posh accent from when I lived in london even though my family Left London when i was about six. I just never adopted the skightly regional accent people have here even though my younger siblings have. 

I guess it would depend on when her magic manifested itself and when the Circle found out about her. If she were a late bloomer, she could have retained her parents accent.

Modifié par Noviere, 01 septembre 2013 - 01:15 .

[Clertar]

Thx JBDXB. Funny though that the Orlesian and Rivani accents are so much more pervasive in Common than the Kossith or Fereldan accents

[Potato Cat]

JBDXB wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

Then she would presumably still call hersel Vivian and we would know her as such.

Vivian is technically a man's name, so no.  The female equivalent would be Viviane, Vivianne or Vivienne.

EDIT:  I've just remembered Riordan.  He's a Ferelden from Highever, but speaks with an Orlesian accent.  Presumably, Vivienne can be an Orlesian from Montsimmard or Val Royeaux or whatever but speaks with non-Orlesian accent.

Vivian's unisex. My friend's auntie is called Vivian.

[JJDXB]

Elfman wrote...

JBDXB wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

What if she was born Vivian, taken to the Circle at a reasonably late age, and the Orlesians just called her Vivienne because that's the Orlesian equivalent?

Then she would presumably still call hersel Vivian and we would know her as such.

Vivian is technically a man's name, so no.  The female equivalent would be Viviane, Vivianne or Vivienne.

EDIT:  I've just remembered Riordan.  He's a Ferelden from Highever, but speaks with an Orlesian accent.  Presumably, Vivienne can be an Orlesian from Montsimmard or Val Royeaux or whatever but speaks with non-Orlesian accent.

Vivian's unisex. My friend's auntie is called Vivian.

In the modern era, yes, Vivian is unisex.  But before the 1950s or about then, it was a man's name.  Much like Ashley, Leslie, Kell(e)y and Trac(e)y.

[Xsari Rose]

Why is everyone assuming that's Vivienne talking? In the video you don't even see who the inquisitor is talking to when the dragon attacks and he doesn't call her Vivienne. I bet it's not even her.

[Potato Cat]

Looking at the wikipedia page for Vivienne, it sounds like although it certainly does sound French, the French version of Vivienne is actually Viviane.

[Potato Cat]

Xsari Rose wrote...

Why is everyone assuming that's Vivienne talking? In the video you don't even see who the inquisitor is talking to when the dragon attacks and he doesn't call her Vivienne. I bet it's not even her.

We've seen other footage where its clearly her talking. She does have a posh English accent.

[Ozzy]

Xsari Rose wrote...

Why is everyone assuming that's Vivienne talking? In the video you don't even see who the inquisitor is talking to when the dragon attacks and he doesn't call her Vivienne. I bet it's not even her.

At the start of the demo there's an exchange between Vivienne, Cassandra and Varric. Her voice is quite clearly English. 

[JJDXB]

Elfman wrote...

Looking at the wikipedia page for Vivienne, it sounds like although it certainly does sound French, the French version of Vivienne is actually Viviane.

Wiktionary says Vivienne is an alternative spelling in French.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

The fact that no dev has commented on this yet leads me to believe that there is no simple explanation for this.

[Xsari Rose]

Oh ok sorry. Where's the link to them talking?

[mikeymoonshine]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

The fact that no dev has commented on this yet leads me to believe that there is no simple explanation for this.

Or non that they care to tell us, They seem to be holding back as much of the story as possible. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Cylon King wrote...

From the video at the top of the page it looks like the main character will be mute.

I see it as you have to cast 8 voice actors at least to cover all the races annonced so far.

What the others said, 

Here if you wanna see 



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