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[deuce985]

Looks fine to me. Best way I can describe what I saw was a mix of Witcher, DAO, Skyrim and Dragon's Dogma. None of that is bad in my mind.

It's hard to complain when Bioware keeps adding features fans want that they originally said wouldn't be in the game like paraphrasing and race choice.

Modifié par deuce985, 01 septembre 2013 - 07:40 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

d4eaming wrote...

So no, you don't get the dictate that we are throwing away our money (and what business is our money to you anyway?), and you don't get to declare that we were burned, and thus wasting money. BW is still one of my favorite gaming companies (Blizzard being the other), and yes I am damn excited about Inquisition and will get the game as soon as I can.

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically and I am dictating nothing. You can do as you like with your money, I was merely expressing my surprise with regards to everyone getting excited with what they've shown so far which isn't much to be honest. I thought people would be more cautious, even those who were not okay with ME3. 

Genshie wrote...
The reason a lot of use are impressed is because these are pre-alpha videos and they have over a year of development time left. DA2 and ME3 didn't look this good at this stage/point in time.

Yeah, I can concede that the extra year changes things. However I still wouldn't say that it is going to be different. So far, I've seen the same thing happening, BioWare making a lot of promises, showing some gameplay and not much more. If you ask me, that doesn't warrant a pre order, but then again I don't ever pre order anymore. 

[AutumnWitch]

When I was watching the combat yesterday on the demo I thought to myself, "This isn't Dragon Age, its some other game"....It just didn't "feel" like Dragon Age to me. So yes I agree I am actually worried on many different fronts. But from reading all over on here I am in the minority for sure. BUT I hope for the best!

[cjones91]

Volourn wrote...

Witcher fanboys post like Witcher is like some unique butterfly. It's combat isn't original nor is it even good. DA3 combat looks like DA series combat with some changes. Twitcher is just a hack n slash action game with a lame one dimensional protagnis with no heart or soul.

Twitcher series sucks the big one (though I didn't bother with Twitcher 2 after the horribleness of part 1).

You sound like a fanboy/fangirl yourself.

[jmadsen]

The combat looks nothing like The Witcher's, at least to me.

[Wissenschaft]

"The gameplay feels like The Witcher."

I never understand how people say this. Having played and enjoyed both series, they play nothing alike. And what I see in the DA 3 demo reminds me nothing of the combat in the Witcher, except we now have a dodge move. But a dodge move does not make this like the Witcher any more than swinging a sword makes any game's combat like the Witcher.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 01 septembre 2013 - 08:14 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Foshizzlin wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

When I was watching the combat yesterday on the demo I thought to myself, "This isn't Dragon Age, its some other game"....It just didn't "feel" like Dragon Age to me. So yes I agree I am actually worried on many different fronts. But from reading all over on here I am in the minority for sure. BUT I hope for the best!

That's exactly my biggest issue, and perhaps the constructive one that goes beyond mere gripes; the game doesn't feel like Dragon Age. If I hadn't played DA2 to learn the character names and the idea of something happening in Orlais, if the game was just called "Inquisition" and made by Bioware, I wouldn't at all think it's a Dragon Age game, just a medieval RPG hack-n-slash.

But can't you say the exact same thing of DA2 compared to DAO? If that's the case, I say dragon age has no gameplay identity, and finding a middle ground between DA2 and DAO is the best option at this point.

Becasue let's be honest, DAO combat wasn't that distinct a thing in the first place, just a part based mmo gameplay system with a pause feature in it.

Pause features still there, party mechancis still there, switching between party members and controlling their moves is still there, ability wheel is still there, so I don't get what's up.

[llandwynwyn]

Foshizzlin wrote...

1. The character design.

Less comical than in the Trailer/DA2, I like them so far.

2. The gameplay feels like The Witcher.

What? Because of the combat roll ? Please.

3. Combat seems to have a high prevalence to storyline.

We have seen too little for you to affirm that.

[Savber100]

Foshizzlin wrote...

1. The character design. I'm not sure if it's just due to early development or not, but the looks of the companinos, as well as the Inquisitor himself, is just unimpressive to me.

Yeah, I personally didn't like the designs from the screenshot that much. However since customization for both companions and Inquistor is back, I don't see it being a bother when I could just change it. 

Foshizzlin wrote...
2. The gameplay feels like The Witcher. Now, this was something many people suggested, many people suggested against, but regardless, it's obvious that The Witcher is a strong influence. That's fine and all, but it seems, at least to me, that they're drawing 'too much' from The Witcher in combat style. Dragon Age should still have its own style, not just feel like addon content to another major game.

This is inaccurate. Have you seen the isometric camera? It looks like the same tactical emphasis I saw on Origins but better... The problem is that Bioware keeps showing off the individual fights rather than the group tactics which has led to the misconception of it being similar to The Witcher.

In the demo, I saw the player block off entrances with the mage using her abilities while Cassandra and the Inquistor flanked while Varric neutralized the enemy mage. 

Foshizzlin wrote...

3. Combat seems to have a high prevalence to storyline. This is entirely fine, for now, as of course, you don't want to show boring dialogue and such at a demonstration. However, thus far, so very little has been confirmed or spoken of the overall story, of dialogue and interaction. I fear that, as with Mass Effect 3's route, it seems that combat, not story and characterization, which are the usual focal points of RPGs, is taking a one-up position. Some people may like this, some people may not, however, I do not personally think it's a good decision.

Spoilers my friend... Bioware can't show off everything at once. That said, you need to see the ENTIRE demo once again. They showed great exploration and the revamped dialogue options regarding a questline which was pretty cool. I mean they showed off customization, exploration, dialogue choices, and combat. It's pretty good for now.  

Foshizzlin wrote...

Again, not to be that guy, but I really am not falling in love at first sight with this game, and I feel like the only one who doesn't see these faults within the demonstration. Though it is a demonstration, of course, and much can improve, it's still bothering me. I'm not stating any of these criticisms as factual or de-jure problems; they're merely my opinion, and possibly mine alone, of the gameplay.

Does anyone else -not- feel so enthralled by the latest previews?

Not a problem but I think you should wait some more before worrying about it... 

Modifié par Savber100, 01 septembre 2013 - 08:19 .

[Nerevar-as]

cjones91 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Witcher fanboys post like Witcher is like some unique butterfly. It's combat isn't original nor is it even good. DA3 combat looks like DA series combat with some changes. Twitcher is just a hack n slash action game with a lame one dimensional protagnis with no heart or soul.

Twitcher series sucks the big one (though I didn't bother with Twitcher 2 after the horribleness of part 1).

You sound like a fanboy/fangirl yourself.

Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either.

OK, so DA:I looks nice, but having people cheer like that for things that were in Origins and should never have been removed makes me think if it really takes so little to satisfy fans. There has been nothing groundbreaking in the videos, just a (wise) return to the past.

[Genshie]

Nerevar-as wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Witcher fanboys post like Witcher is like some unique butterfly. It's combat isn't original nor is it even good. DA3 combat looks like DA series combat with some changes. Twitcher is just a hack n slash action game with a lame one dimensional protagnis with no heart or soul.

Twitcher series sucks the big one (though I didn't bother with Twitcher 2 after the horribleness of part 1).

You sound like a fanboy/fangirl yourself.

Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either.

OK, so DA:I looks nice, but having people cheer like that for things that were in Origins and should never have been removed makes me think if it really takes so little to satisfy fans. There has been nothing groundbreaking in the videos, just a (wise) return to the past.

Not everything needs to be NEW, INNOVATIVE, or a common overused/misused term for video games especially nowadays "GROUNDBREAKING". Sometimes the best things are an improvement/expansion on what has already been done. Adding on: It is funny that a lot of gripes/complaints are how it doesn't feel like Dragon Age when they are giving everything that was good about DAO back into DA:I.
(Yes, they are complaints since there is nothing contructive about
anything people have posted who are complaining only "It looks/plays
like The Witcher." When the word play is being misused since no one here knows how it plays like except for Bioware themselves which once again can vastly change between now and release.)

Modifié par Genshie, 01 septembre 2013 - 08:36 .

[cjones91]

Nerevar-as wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Witcher fanboys post like Witcher is like some unique butterfly. It's combat isn't original nor is it even good. DA3 combat looks like DA series combat with some changes. Twitcher is just a hack n slash action game with a lame one dimensional protagnis with no heart or soul.

Twitcher series sucks the big one (though I didn't bother with Twitcher 2 after the horribleness of part 1).

You sound like a fanboy/fangirl yourself.

Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either.

OK, so DA:I looks nice, but having people cheer like that for things that were in Origins and should never have been removed makes me think if it really takes so little to satisfy fans. There has been nothing groundbreaking in the videos, just a (wise) return to the past.

Fanboys are easy to please I guess.

[cjones91]

Genshie wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Witcher fanboys post like Witcher is like some unique butterfly. It's combat isn't original nor is it even good. DA3 combat looks like DA series combat with some changes. Twitcher is just a hack n slash action game with a lame one dimensional protagnis with no heart or soul.

Twitcher series sucks the big one (though I didn't bother with Twitcher 2 after the horribleness of part 1).

You sound like a fanboy/fangirl yourself.

Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either.

OK, so DA:I looks nice, but having people cheer like that for things that were in Origins and should never have been removed makes me think if it really takes so little to satisfy fans. There has been nothing groundbreaking in the videos, just a (wise) return to the past.

Not everything needs to be NEW, INNOVATIVE, or a common overused/misused term for video games especially nowadays "GROUNDBREAKING". Sometimes the best things are an improvement/expansion on what has already been done.

Sequels should introduce new things while keeping old features from the previous games,DA:I so far has shown nothing new or anything to be gushing over.

[Genshie]

cjones91 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Witcher fanboys post like Witcher is like some unique butterfly. It's combat isn't original nor is it even good. DA3 combat looks like DA series combat with some changes. Twitcher is just a hack n slash action game with a lame one dimensional protagnis with no heart or soul.

Twitcher series sucks the big one (though I didn't bother with Twitcher 2 after the horribleness of part 1).

You sound like a fanboy/fangirl yourself.

Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either.

OK, so DA:I looks nice, but having people cheer like that for things that were in Origins and should never have been removed makes me think if it really takes so little to satisfy fans. There has been nothing groundbreaking in the videos, just a (wise) return to the past.

Not everything needs to be NEW, INNOVATIVE, or a common overused/misused term for video games especially nowadays "GROUNDBREAKING". Sometimes the best things are an improvement/expansion on what has already been done.

Sequels should introduce new things while keeping old features from the previous games,DA:I so far has shown nothing new or anything to be gushing over.

 I don't know what demo you were watching but there is a good chunk of new stuff to this franchise that was shown in the videos. Maybe not "new" to games themselves but new to this franchise yes there were plenty of things. (New moves, new animations, open world "like" areas, in game like cutscenes that are not cutscenes since you still have control over everybody, destructive environments, and list goes on and on)

[cjones91]

I agree,however it's not exactly groundbreaking so I would wait until they show more before throwing the perverbial sacks of money at Bioware.Don't get me wrong ,I like what I'm seeing so far but it's best to keep the excitement contained for now.

[Olivier_dehFanboy]

i don't see witcher influence in the combat, i see Guild Wars 2.

[Vapaa]

cjones91 wrote...
Sequels should introduce new things while keeping old features from the previous games,DA:I so far has shown nothing new or anything to be gushing over.

Yup, I really enjoyed taking over keeps in DAO, also the Grey warden gestion was awesome with all these agents to help against the blight, and sending troop to challenge the darkspawn was a good idea

oh wait...

[Zered]

I for one think that the game is making some changes that are good. DA2 was such a disaster that they had to make changes and take a bit of a new direction. So far im ok with what I see.

Combat may looke a bit like the Witcher but I doubt it has anything to do with it apart from the rolling feature.

[Genshie]

Vapaä wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Sequels should introduce new things while keeping old features from the previous games,DA:I so far has shown nothing new or anything to be gushing over.

Yup, I really enjoyed taking over keeps in DAO, also the Grey warden gestion was awesome with all these agents to help against the blight, and sending troop to challenge the darkspawn was a good idea

oh wait...

That is my point nothing "BRAND SPANKING NEW NEVER DONE BEFORE" but certainly new to the franchise itself that were not in any of the previous titles/dlcs/expansion/spin-offs.

[cjones91]

Vapaä wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Sequels should introduce new things while keeping old features from the previous games,DA:I so far has shown nothing new or anything to be gushing over.

Yup, I really enjoyed taking over keeps in DAO, also the Grey warden gestion was awesome with all these agents to help against the blight, and sending troop to challenge the darkspawn was a good idea

oh wait...

Like I said before....just because the first game did'nt have those things does'nt mean they are groundbreaking in DA:I.

[Volourn]

"Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either."

I played The Twitcher. It's a horrible game. It's really that simple. if you like Twitcher you probably think KOTOR is BIO's best game when it is their worst (not counting S:RPG).

[Genshie]

Volourn wrote...

"Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either."

I played The Twitcher. It's a horrible game. It's really that simple. if you like Twitcher you probably think KOTOR is BIO's best game when it is their worst (not counting S:RPG).

 I just don't get why people are putting The Witcher, when they mean The Witcher 2, on such a high pedistal when all the improvements were in the very gray like choices, which by the way really didn't matter since the protagnoist was duller than a sack of rocks (hello amnesia game cliche trope/old hat) in terms of emotion and character, and pretty graphics.  Nothing was innovative or "ground breaking" about The Witcher 2. Cd Projekt Red hasn't done anything great except stick with their guns and improve upon with what they already have which is almost exactly what Bioware is doing now. I have nothing against either franchise just when you comapre the two when they are very different in terms of story and gameplay.

[Nerevar-as]

Volourn wrote...

"Doesn´t look like s/he played the Witcher, either."

I played The Twitcher. It's a horrible game. It's really that simple. if you like Twitcher you probably think KOTOR is BIO's best game when it is their worst (not counting S:RPG).

And that´s all I need to know. Next you´ll say Jade Empire twist was the worst BW ever made. And calling the witcher twitcher doesn´t point to you having played it, at least not past the first combat.

[Nerevar-as]

Genshie wrote...
 I just don't get why people are putting The Witcher, when they mean The Witcher 2, on such a high pedistal when all the improvements were in the very gray like choices, which by the way really didn't matter since the protagnoist was duller than a sack of rocks (hello amnesia game cliche trope/old hat) in terms of emotion and character, and pretty graphics.  Nothing was innovative or "ground breaking" about The Witcher 2. Cd Projekt Red hasn't done anything great except stick with their guns and improve upon with what they already have which is almost exactly what Bioware is doing now. I have nothing against either franchise just when you comapre the two when they are very different in terms of story and gameplay.

The problem was that Bioware marketed DA as dark fantasy when it turned out what most peole call high fantasy, so it got compared to Witcher, which claimed the same and delivered. Then along came DA2, where it looks BW was given a list of things they had to include because of some poll. It was so many steps back it´s hard to believe. Extra points by marketing the game bashing Origins as much as they could.

And Geralt dull? Come on. BW wishes they could create such a PC. Merit goes to Sapkowski though, CDP just translated him to the game really well. Please don´t screw up with Yenn and Ciri...