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[thebatmanreborn]

Honestly, none of these criticisms are worth my time in responding except to say I think the game looks fantastic. And I'm glad they haven't shown their investment in the story. I don't want ANY spoilers to the main storyline. 

And attacking the Witcher? Really? Wow. I think I am going to avoid this thread now. I'm at a loss for words. 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:24 .

[Melca36]

AutumnWitch wrote...

When I was watching the combat yesterday on the demo I thought to myself, "This isn't Dragon Age, its some other game"....It just didn't "feel" like Dragon Age to me. So yes I agree I am actually worried on many different fronts. But from reading all over on here I am in the minority for sure. BUT I hope for the best!

If you were expecting DA:2 the sequel then you were bound to be disappointed

[Vapaa]

cjones91 wrote...

Like I said before....

No, what you said is: "DA:I so far has shown nothing new" and that's just factually not the case

[Nerevar-as]

Foshizzlin wrote...

That's my issue. I accept and respect The Witcher is a revolutionary RPG (TW2, at least), and tons of people love it. However, like you, I absolutely hate both Witcher games (assuming you hate both, not just one), and the series, particularly its combat system, has gotten huge amounts of flak, but also huge amounts of praise.

The Witcher is such a polarizing series, it shouldn't be the major inspiration for a game like Dragon Age, where the fans are and could be even more polarized on the game.

This isn't an attack on the Witcher, it's not the point of the thread. It's the uneasiness that DA:I is taking so much inspiration from other games that are entirely different from the series. DA2 did the same thing, though instead of taking inspiration, it just changed everything.

I wouldn´t call Witcher polarizing, at least outside of BW forums. Anyway, enough of that. Just don´t play Gothic/Risen series if you didn´t like Witcher combat, it´s much more unforgiving and hard to master.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Foshizzlin wrote...

That's my issue. I accept and respect The Witcher is a revolutionary RPG (TW2, at least), and tons of people love it. However, like you, I absolutely hate both Witcher games (assuming you hate both, not just one), and the series, particularly its combat system, has gotten huge amounts of flak, but also huge amounts of praise.

The Witcher is such a polarizing series, it shouldn't be the major inspiration for a game like Dragon Age, where the fans are and could be even more polarized on the game.

This isn't an attack on the Witcher, it's not the point of the thread. It's the uneasiness that DA:I is taking so much inspiration from other games that are entirely different from the series. DA2 did the same thing, though instead of taking inspiration, it just changed everything.

You know that is actually something worrying. I've heard DA:I being called similar to Skyrim, the Witcher, the medieval farcry, etc. I don't think a franchise like Dragon Age needs to emulate any other game to stand on its own. I remember when people started talking about Mass Effect 3 being like Gears of War, that didn't end well. 

[Genshie]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Genshie wrote...
 I just don't get why people are putting The Witcher, when they mean The Witcher 2, on such a high pedistal when all the improvements were in the very gray like choices, which by the way really didn't matter since the protagnoist was duller than a sack of rocks (hello amnesia game cliche trope/old hat) in terms of emotion and character, and pretty graphics.  Nothing was innovative or "ground breaking" about The Witcher 2. Cd Projekt Red hasn't done anything great except stick with their guns and improve upon with what they already have which is almost exactly what Bioware is doing now. I have nothing against either franchise just when you comapre the two when they are very different in terms of story and gameplay.

The problem was that Bioware marketed DA as dark fantasy when it turned out what most peole call high fantasy, so it got compared to Witcher, which claimed the same and delivered. Then along came DA2, where it looks BW was given a list of things they had to include because of some poll. It was so many steps back it´s hard to believe. Extra points by marketing the game bashing Origins as much as they could.

And Geralt dull? Come on. BW wishes they could create such a PC. Merit goes to Sapkowski though, CDP just translated him to the game really well. Please don´t screw up with Yenn and Ciri...

I am sorry any character that uses the amnesia trope is by all consideration dull and very cliche since it is a free pass to hand wave any previous things that made Geralt who he "was" before hand. The whole I don't remember anything but I am going to try my best to figure out what the hell happened to me has been used so many times in games it is not even funny.  Saying Geralt is a great character is stretching at best.

[Angrywolves]

Bioware has been moving toward action rpg for some time.
Brent Knowles isn't there anymore .
Bioware wants to attract more people to play the game.
So fans expecting DAI to be a DAO clone were doomed to disappointment.

[Nerevar-as]

Genshie wrote...
I am sorry any character that uses the amnesia trope is by all consideration dull and very cliche since it is a free pass to hand wave any previous things that made Geralt who he "was" before hand. The whole I don't remember anything but I am going to try my best to figure out what the hell happened to me has been used so many times in games it is not even funny.  Saying Geralt is a great character is stretching at best.

He still kind of keeps his personality, especially if you follow he neutral path. Even with amnesia, he talks the way he used to in the books. And amnesia can be used well, imho with the reveal of the reason the Witcher manages it (helps a lot having read the books though), not to mention Amnesia: The Dark Descent or Justine.

[slimgrin]

Genshie wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Genshie wrote...
 I just don't get why people are putting The Witcher, when they mean The Witcher 2, on such a high pedistal when all the improvements were in the very gray like choices, which by the way really didn't matter since the protagnoist was duller than a sack of rocks (hello amnesia game cliche trope/old hat) in terms of emotion and character, and pretty graphics.  Nothing was innovative or "ground breaking" about The Witcher 2. Cd Projekt Red hasn't done anything great except stick with their guns and improve upon with what they already have which is almost exactly what Bioware is doing now. I have nothing against either franchise just when you comapre the two when they are very different in terms of story and gameplay.

The problem was that Bioware marketed DA as dark fantasy when it turned out what most peole call high fantasy, so it got compared to Witcher, which claimed the same and delivered. Then along came DA2, where it looks BW was given a list of things they had to include because of some poll. It was so many steps back it´s hard to believe. Extra points by marketing the game bashing Origins as much as they could.

And Geralt dull? Come on. BW wishes they could create such a PC. Merit goes to Sapkowski though, CDP just translated him to the game really well. Please don´t screw up with Yenn and Ciri...

I am sorry any character that uses the amnesia trope is by all consideration dull and very cliche since it is a free pass to hand wave any previous things that made Geralt who he "was" before hand. The whole I don't remember anything but I am going to try my best to figure out what the hell happened to me has been used so many times in games it is not even funny.  Saying Geralt is a great character is stretching at best.

Except they actually pulled it off. To avoid a trope is one thing, to use it as a springboard is even more impressive.

As for the combat, reminds me more of Dragon's Dogma/Amalur. It's nothing like The Witcher. I see it as a huge improvement over the first two games, if not terribly original.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:48 .

[Korusus]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

You know that is actually something worrying. I've heard DA:I being called similar to Skyrim, the Witcher, the medieval farcry, etc. I don't think a franchise like Dragon Age needs to emulate any other game to stand on its own. I remember when people started talking about Mass Effect 3 being like Gears of War, that didn't end well. 

The medievel FarCry was an IGN reference to keeps getting taken over (which FarCry is hardly the first game to have that mechanic).  The Witcher comparisons make absolutely no sense to me, 1 or 2.  And the Skyrim reference is BioWare themselves (which is really just a reference to how much of a cultural icon Bethesda's game design has become).

Frankly all I need to know is that DA:I has the tactical camera returning, there's more than one cave, and the wave mechanic is history.  BioWare brings the story, they've never been a letdown in that regard.  Getting rid of some of DA2s' disastrous design decisions is icing on the cake.

[Fredward]

@OP no you ain't the only one with that opinion. No one is ever that special. And you are entitled to that opinion and don't let anyone ever take that away from you. WOOHOO! FREEDOM OF OPINION BIZNATCHES.

Personally I have yet to form an opinion one way or the other. Probably won't either till I see much, much more.

[Melca36]

Angrywolves wrote...

Bioware has been moving toward action rpg for some time.
Brent Knowles isn't there anymore .
Bioware wants to attract more people to play the game.
So fans expecting DAI to be a DAO clone were doomed to disappointment.

And so are the fans expecting DA:2 Part 2

[Volourn]

z"And that´s all I need to know. Next you´ll say Jade Empire twist was the worst BW ever made. And calling the witcher twitcher doesn´t point to you having played it, at least not past the first combat."

Actually, JE is one of my favorite BIO games. Nice try, though.


And, there's nothing 'revolutionary', 'deep', or interetsing' about the Twitcher series. It is plain old fashion ripped off garbage.

[cjones91]

Volourn wrote...

z"And that´s all I need to know. Next you´ll say Jade Empire twist was the worst BW ever made. And calling the witcher twitcher doesn´t point to you having played it, at least not past the first combat."

Actually, JE is one of my favorite BIO games. Nice try, though.


And, there's nothing 'revolutionary', 'deep', or interetsing' about the Twitcher series. It is plain old fashion ripped off garbage.

Don't bash other franchises because other people can do the same thing to Bioware's and then a flame war will start.

[Volourn]

"Don't bash other franchises because other people can do the same thing to Bioware's and then a flame war will start."

I just tell the truth. I have no problem with bashing games BIO's made. I do it myself.

These are the BIO forums. If people want to praise other developers shoddy works, I'm gonna let them know.

if they are gonna praise other companies' work it should be good stuff like FO:NV. Just sayin'.

The OP started this by claiming DA3 was 'ripping off' Twitcher which it is not.

[cjones91]

Volourn wrote...

"Don't bash other franchises because other people can do the same thing to Bioware's and then a flame war will start."

I just tell the truth. I have no problem with bashing games BIO's made. I do it myself.

These are the BIO forums. If people want to praise other developers shoddy works, I'm gonna let them know.

if they are gonna praise other companies' work it should be good stuff like FO:NV. Just sayin'.

The OP started this by claiming DA3 was 'ripping off' Twitcher which it is not.

I'm just saying bashing other games because of petty fanboyism is stupid.Witcher is not my cup of tea but I won't bash it since the games are good in their own rights.

[slimgrin]

Volourn wrote...

z"And that´s all I need to know. Next you´ll say Jade Empire twist was the worst BW ever made. And calling the witcher twitcher doesn´t point to you having played it, at least not past the first combat."

Actually, JE is one of my favorite BIO games. Nice try, though.


And, there's nothing 'revolutionary', 'deep', or interetsing' about the Twitcher series. It is plain old fashion ripped off garbage.

You speak nonsense. The foaming at the mouth variety.

[Angrywolves]

Why would someone want DA2 part 2.
Some people seem to want to argue about the combat, saying it's too similar to DA2.
I don't play DA for the combat, so it doesn't matter to me.
People who feel it's an important issue can duke it out.
smiles.