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[Br3admax]

We already knew that TIM was a player. Where do you think Shepard learned all of his/her secrets from?

[The___Baron]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Glad they cut that out. Seems like more anti-Cerberus crap.

My Shepard thinks TIM did more to save the galaxy than the alliance or the council ever could.

True, him and cerberus actually did something well thousands of colonists where just dissapering into thin air well the Alliance just sat around and twiddled their thumbs deciding what to do. And the council just sticking their head in the sand like usual. "Cant get involved in a soley human matter" So you'll just sit around and not do anything untill your colonists start dissapering by the thousands? Must really care about your own people as well then won't even bother to take action to insure that the same thing won't happen to them in the future.

"Ah yes reapers, we've dismissed that claim"
*Reapers land on Earth and Palaven*

"Oh no reapers save us commander shepard!!!"

http://awesomelyluvv...ledore_welp.gif



Until ME3 when cerberus starts to screw with the war effort against the reapers, although at that point he was pretty throughly indoctrinated. 

Br3ad wrote...

We already knew that TIM was a player. Where do you think Shepard learned all of his/her secrets from?

Why Garrus of course we only got a chance because he took a rocket to the face 

Modifié par The___Baron, 01 septembre 2013 - 06:03 .

[Sir DeLoria]

The___Baron wrote...
Yes merciless machines that allowed the Quarians to escape when they could have easily killed every last one if they wanted to so evil. Butchering millions who had nothing to do with the war? Please they willingly supported it, they had no problem killing those that didn't wan't to go along with their exterminate the Geth bull****.  

Just because it's law to destroy AI even if they have nothing against oragnics and simply mind their own buisness is clearly just and oh so good and morally correct.
*blah, blah, blah, snip*

Hahaha, you're argumentation cracks me up sorry. I'm 100% sure the Geth only killed those who opposed them and made a very clear distinction between who was a threat and who wasn't. Civilian is civilians, no matter what side they're own. Do you think it would've been just for US or Soviet soldiers to execute German or Japanese civilians who supported the war or their evil governments? I'm also sure children and infants can make a very clear distinction and choose a side. The Geth let 1% of their creators live, aren't they merciful? Sure, the Quarians could have done nothing and waited for an inevitable Geth rebellion or a Turian bombardment of their homeworld, in order to enforce council laws.
I'm also very, very sure, that the Quarian civilian fleet would just break off, leave behind any military support and leave in the middle of the Reaper invasion. The Quarians are social, they hold together because they need to in times of hardship in order to survive. 

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Don't argue with Necanor. The Quarians can do no wrong to him. It is funny to see the excuses some people flounder to for certain races.

True, just like you and Cerberus:P

Btw I forgot to point out how ridiculous it is to assume the Quarians aren't trustworthy, or that the Geth(who sold their precious 'soul' to the Reapers) are trustworthy.

[cap and gown]

TheWerdna wrote...

Tali on the other hand immediatly jumps right back into the relationship where ME2 left off without the "distant" period of taking it slow that plauges even the other well done romance arcs like Garrus and Liara.

I want to second that. I like Liara's romance, but saving her "lock in" scene till after the coup is extremely awkward. "Friends doesn't cut it anymore." What kind of line is that? They've been boffing each other since they met on Mars (unless Shep says "let's just be friends"). Shep should have been locked into Liara the moment she was given the choice of continuing or just being friends. Would have made the romance seem more natural, like Tali's romance seems more natural.

[Br3admax]

Oh the suit-rat debates never end, do they?

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Don't argue with Necanor. The Quarians can do no wrong to him. It is funny to see the excuses some people flounder to for certain races.

True, just like you and Cerberus:P

Btw I forgot to point out how ridiculous it is to assume the Quarians aren't trustworthy, or that the Geth(who sold their precious 'soul' to the Reapers) are trustworthy.

Filthy xenos.  The lot of you

[The___Baron]

StreetMagic wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Oh the suit-rat debates never end, do they?

Which character originally used that line? Because it's perfect. Funny how Bioware can make fun of it themselves.

I think it was on the citadel when that volus was accusing that quarian of stealing his credit chip?
Or It might have been one of Talis comments in either ME 1 or 2. 

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Oh the suit-rat debates never end, do they?

Which character originally used that line? Because it's perfect. Funny how Bioware can make fun of it themselves.

The only character I can recall using that phrase was Tali herself, when she was recounting her dialogue with a Turian clerk during the ME1 time line.

In any case, this endless debate over the Quarians' egregious mistakes does get old.

The___Baron wrote...
I think it was on the citadel when that volus was accusing that quarian of stealing his credit chip?
Or It might have been one of Talis comments in either ME 1 or 2. 

The Volus doesn't call her a suit rat. He calls her clanless, but doesn't use any slur like that. I may be mistaken though. I don't recall all of her conversation in ME1, but she does mention how her people are looked down upon by other races and wish them to leave whenever one of their ships comes to port. That may have been when she mentions the slur.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 01 septembre 2013 - 06:37 .

[Br3admax]

StreetMagic wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Oh the suit-rat debates never end, do they?

Which character originally used that line? Because it's perfect. Funny how Bioware can make fun of it themselves.

Suit-rats? That's what the turian clerk on the Citadel called Tali during/before ME. I wonder what animal they are really talking about, because I think whatever animal word translated to rat is a lot worse. 

[The___Baron]

Yep it was tali commenting on it

http://www.youtube.c...zI5DR05pQ#t=288

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...
Hahaha, you're argumentation cracks me up sorry. 

Do you really want to go down this road, Mister "I don't need evidence"? I have that thread bookmarked.

I'm 100% sure the Geth only killed those who opposed them and made a very clear distinction between who was a threat and who wasn't.

And the Quarians were any different? Or are you subjecting the Geth to double standards that don't apply to the Quarians since they're the Quarians? Do extenuating circumstances have any place, or are the Geth just evil because you want to bang Tali?

Civilian is civilians, no matter what side they're own.

Extenuating circumstances which you have left out aside, the Quarians did no less. They iniated conflict by attacking the Geth (who weren't hostile and were indeed loyal) as well as hunting down Quarians who actually thought to question why the Geth were being persecuted in the first place.

Do you think it would've been just for US or Soviet soldiers to execute German or Japanese civilians who supported the war or their evil governments?

First things first, Godwinning doesn't do anything for an argument. 

Next, would it have been just? I'll ask you, what were the circumstances? Was it necessary or extraneous? Was there a reason for it? Can you really objectively define evil? Pneumetic fallacy approach with an agenda backed by sophistry doesn't bring out the truth in an argument.

I'm also sure children and infants can make a very clear distinction and choose a side.

An appeal to emotion is a fallacy approach here. Not to mention you're also forgetting one thing:

This kind of mentality directly correlates to the Geth. They were 'children'. They were 'infantile'. Legion acknowledges this. This is the extenuating circumstance. The Geth were primitive in their cohesive function. They had one purpose - to survive. It's animalistic really. Kill or be killed. The Geth were not capable yet of distinction. The Quarians ensured that when they attacked.

The Geth let 1% of their creators live, aren't they merciful?

More merciful than the Quarians, who wanted to destroy the Geth because they started asking philosophical questions without any malice. 

Sure, the Quarians could have done nothing and waited for an inevitable Geth rebellion or a Turian bombardment of their homeworld, in order to enforce council laws.

Where do you draw your conclusions from? Why was a Geth rebellion inevitable? Because Tali said it was? That explains a lot.

What makes you think the Turians would immediately resort to genocide of two species just because the Geth gained sentience? I think you're pulling an extreme and superfluous (as well as highly unlikely) conclusion for the point of sophistry. 

There's a 1 in a million chance it will happen. Therefor, it WILL happen! Because I wanna scew Tali!

I'm also very, very sure, that the Quarian civilian fleet would just break off, leave behind any military support and leave in the middle of the Reaper invasion.

Really... And who would protect them from said Reaper invasion? I don't think this actually a possibility at all. You're making evidence up to suit your position.

Good job there Mr. Nick Naylor! Have you ever seen 'Thank You For Smoking"? 

No truth, just pure sophistry.

The Quarians are social, they hold together because they need to in times of hardship in order to survive. 

This point... what is it's purpose? There really is none that I can conclude with. Disgard this point, it has no purpose.

[Steelcan]

not the thread for this argument

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

The Volus doesn't call her a suit rat. He calls her clanless, but doesn't use any slur like that. I may be mistaken though. I don't recall all of her conversation in ME1, but she does mention how her people are looked down upon by other races and wish them to leave whenever one of their ships comes to port. That may have been when she mentions the slur.

He called the other quarian clanless, he just says that he hates quarians to Shepard. 

Let's stop talking about quarians now. I don't know how we started this, but I apologize for it. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Don't argue with Necanor. The Quarians can do no wrong to him. It is funny to see the excuses some people flounder to for certain races.

True, just like you and Cerberus:P

And unlike you, I actually use logic and reason, and I don't resort to emotional fallacies and sophistry. 

I actually make an argument. You don't. You just say the Quarians are good and they don't deserve to die.... and that's it. That's all you say.

Btw I forgot to point out how ridiculous it is to assume the Quarians aren't trustworthy, or that the Geth(who sold their precious 'soul' to the Reapers) are trustworthy.

I find it hard to blame the Geth when the Quarians were the ones who openly attacked the Geth and forced them to accept the Reapers assistance. Or are the Geth not allowed to do anything to survive if the Quarians say it's bad?

Among a great deal of other things, you make a lot of double standards for the Quarians.

[KaiserShep]

So, how 'bout those Raloi? We should totally have a Raloi squad member for ME4.

[Barquiel]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Glad they cut that out. Seems like more anti-Cerberus crap. You just know they'd probably try to turn it into an ulterior motive for TIM. 

My Shepard thinks TIM did more to save the galaxy than the alliance or the council ever could. 

Anti-Cerberus? They rescued Kelly and some entertainers from slavery. I think that's rather nice

[Steelcan]

KaiserShep wrote...

So, how 'bout those Raloi? We should totally have a Raloi squad member for ME4.

Raloi for LI, anyone who says otherwise is a filthy bigot

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Glad they cut that out. Seems like more anti-Cerberus crap. You just know they'd probably try to turn it into an ulterior motive for TIM. 

My Shepard thinks TIM did more to save the galaxy than the alliance or the council ever could. 

Anti-Cerberus? They rescued Kelly and some entertainers from slavery. I think that's rather nice

I agree.

I'd like to see more instances of this

Modifié par Steelcan, 01 septembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

So, how 'bout those Raloi? We should totally have a Raloi squad member for ME4.

Raloi for LI, anyone who says otherwise is a filthy bigot

Harvey Birdman for S/S LI!

[spirosz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Among a great deal of other things, you make a lot of double standards for the Quarians.

It's so true, haha.  His bitter "sweat" can't go to waste. 

[jtav]

Agreed. It paints a much more complex view of Cerberus, and I was sorry they cut it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

jtav wrote...

Agreed. It paints a much more complex view of Cerberus, and I was sorry they cut it.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I just don't see anything in there except for them (BW) trying to make Cerberus manipulate people into thinking that Cerberus are 'gawds'.

I don't oppose the situation or the explanation, but I think BW would have done something to go 'lol nope, Cerberus is evulz'.

I already don't like Shepard's dialogue of 'what makes you think you owe Cerberus anything'.

I think I'm just too jaded on SuperMac's treatment of Cerberus.