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[Cirram55]

So, I've just found something quite interesting to me.
Looking closely at the menu > load save screen in the demo I noticed it stores some info about the PC such as: race, gender, class, and most importantly name plus surname. This is what I got out of it (keep in mind my sight is crap so some of the "e" may actually be "o"):

Human - Makkon Trevelyan
Elf - Shandal Lavellan
Qunari - Talvin Adaar
Dwarf - Arya Cadash

The dwarf got me excited. Cadash? Seriously?
And also, Qunari is shown under the race section, not Tal-Vashoth, but we also have our individual name, we're not called after our rank.

Thoughts?

Modifié par Cirram55, 01 septembre 2013 - 02:03 .

[Wulfram]

Trevelyan is definitely British (specifically Cornish) and thus Fereldan.

[Angrywolves]

well done.
A good observation.
I knew there would be surnames.

[Cirram55]

The Qunari have me interesed. Either thy're sticking with it as an umbrella term for the purple oxmen, or we won't be able to be Tal-Vashoth.

[Jamie9]

I like the idea of having the option to have a third protagonist from Ferelden. It's kinda like the Shire in the Lord of the Rings - whilst not being the most powerful in any aspect (economically, politically etc.), great individuals just seem to rise up out of there.

[Tinxa]

Cirram55 wrote...

And also, Qunari is shown under the race section, not Tal-Vashoth, but we also have our individual name, we're not called after our rank.

Thoughts?

Qunari is used for naming the race of big horned giants not Kossith or Tal-vashoth or whatever some posters insist the "proper name" is.

It doesn't mean the PC isn't some outcast, Tal-vashoth or raised among humans or that he follows the Qun as a religion.

[dpixie87]

Dwarven players get to play as a member of Shale's family/house? (brb screaming with fanish glee forever)

[Maclimes]

Cirram55 wrote...

The Qunari have me interesed. Either thy're sticking with it as an umbrella term for the purple oxmen, or we won't be able to be Tal-Vashoth.

David Gaider is quite notorious for not giving a flying crap about the distinctions between Qunari and Kossith. To paraphrase him:

In Ferelden (and other human/elf/dwarf lands), no one uses the term Kossith. All of the big horned guys are Qunari to them (regardless of whether they follow the Qun), and non-Qunari who follow the Qun are Qunari Sympathizers or Converts.

The Qunari themselves don't use the term either: You are Qunari (whether of the actual race or not, like Tallis), Tal Vashoth (a memer of the race who turned from the Qun), or some other random idiot (everyone else on Thedas). They make no distinction based on race amongst the followers of the Qun.

[Cirram55]

Maclimes wrote...
David Gaider is quite notorious for not giving a flying crap about the distinctions between Qunari and Kossith. To paraphrase him:

In Ferelden (and other human/elf/dwarf lands), no one uses the term Kossith. All of the big horned guys are Qunari to them (regardless of whether they follow the Qun), and non-Qunari who follow the Qun are Qunari Sympathizers or Converts.

The Qunari themselves don't use the term either: You are Qunari (whether of the actual race or not, like Tallis), Tal Vashoth (a memer of the race who turned from the Qun), or some other random idiot (everyone else on Thedas). They make no distinction based on race amongst the followers of the Qun.

While I like David in every way possible, sometimes he can be a little too stubborn. I don't want to teach anyone the proper way to call a race I know little about, but it's incredibly easier to name them kossith (as they did in The world of Thedas), oxmen, Tal-Vashoth or Viddathari, or whatever you like. It may not be used in game, but I'm not from Ferelden either.

For example, they said we'll be able to play as a mage Qunari. Now does that mean a Sarebaas (with his/her tongue cut off and all) or a rebel mage Tal-Vashot?
It causes a lot of confusion. ESPECIALLY if you're not a frequent flyer on this forum.

EDIT but this is a little OT, even for my own thread.

Modifié par Cirram55, 01 septembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[Heidenreich]

Maclimes wrote...

Cirram55 wrote...

The Qunari have me interesed. Either thy're sticking with it as an umbrella term for the purple oxmen, or we won't be able to be Tal-Vashoth.

David Gaider is quite notorious for not giving a flying crap about the distinctions between Qunari and Kossith. To paraphrase him:

In Ferelden (and other human/elf/dwarf lands), no one uses the term Kossith. All of the big horned guys are Qunari to them (regardless of whether they follow the Qun), and non-Qunari who follow the Qun are Qunari Sympathizers or Converts.

The Qunari themselves don't use the term either: You are Qunari (whether of the actual race or not, like Tallis), Tal Vashoth (a memer of the race who turned from the Qun), or some other random idiot (everyone else on Thedas). They make no distinction based on race amongst the followers of the Qun.

That's not "not giving a flying crap" when he's the writer. It's a canon fact. Be they ACTUALL kossith, or converts, no one IN the Qunari who are Kossith are refered to AS Kossith. They do not race-distinct. Elf, Human, or Kossith, to the Qunari, if they follow the Qun then they're Qunari. If players want to name each race by their race, theres nothing that says we can't. In THEDAS however, they do not.

Even the Tal-Vashoth are only really distinct TO the Qunari people and perhaps non-qun who live near enough to them to understand the distinction. Llike Hawke who spent a number of years dealing with the Qunari first hand, or the non-qun who still live in Seharon.

[The Elder King]

Actually, it doesn't cause confusion for those that don't came a lot her or don't came a lot, since the games call their race qunari.

[Potato Cat]

Personally, I think it's fine to call them Kossith on the forums, so long as you understand no one in game will ever ever use that term to describe the race. Thedas natives are too ignorant of Qunari ways and customs and the Qunari genuinely don't care about the race for anythingother than role assignment and breeding.

[ArtemisMoons]

Heidenreich wrote...

That's not "not giving a flying crap" when he's the writer. It's a canon fact. Be they ACTUALL kossith, or converts, no one IN the Qunari who are Kossith are refered to AS Kossith. They do not race-distinct. Elf, Human, or Kossith, to the Qunari, if they follow the Qun then they're Qunari. If players want to name each race by their race, theres nothing that says we can't. In THEDAS however, they do not.

Even the Tal-Vashoth are only really distinct TO the Qunari people and perhaps non-qun who live near enough to them to understand the distinction. Llike Hawke who spent a number of years dealing with the Qunari first hand, or the non-qun who still live in Seharon.

THIS. Why do people keep insisting that the writers are wrong in what they call the qunari? xD
I don't get why people argue with the fact of the game because they think something is "easier".

[Battlebloodmage]

Cirram55 wrote...

Maclimes wrote...
David Gaider is quite notorious for not giving a flying crap about the distinctions between Qunari and Kossith. To paraphrase him:

In Ferelden (and other human/elf/dwarf lands), no one uses the term Kossith. All of the big horned guys are Qunari to them (regardless of whether they follow the Qun), and non-Qunari who follow the Qun are Qunari Sympathizers or Converts.

The Qunari themselves don't use the term either: You are Qunari (whether of the actual race or not, like Tallis), Tal Vashoth (a memer of the race who turned from the Qun), or some other random idiot (everyone else on Thedas). They make no distinction based on race amongst the followers of the Qun.

While I like David in every way possible, sometimes he can be a little too stubborn. I don't want to teach anyone the proper way to call a race I know little about, but it's incredibly easier to name them kossith (as they did in The world of Thedas), oxmen, Tal-Vashoth or Viddathari, or whatever you like. It may not be used in game, but I'm not from Ferelden either.

For example, they said we'll be able to play as a mage Qunari. Now does that mean a Sarebaas (with his/her tongue cut off and all) or a rebel mage Tal-Vashot?
It causes a lot of confusion. ESPECIALLY if you're not a frequent flyer on this forum.

EDIT but this is a little OT, even for my own thread.

He also makes a post about it as he stated that he doesn't understand why people care about what Bioware think of them using the term. Basically, he was just clarified on the proper usage. As an ancient term, not a lot of people in the game, not even the qunari themselves know what you're talking about if you refer to them as kossith. Just as there are Jewish ethnicity and religion, there could also be a qunari ethnicity and religion. A Black person could technically proclaim to be Jewish once he converts to Judaism. it's the similar situation with the elves in DA2.

[Heimdall]

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

[Battlebloodmage]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

 

[Lelahel]

Where have you seen them? Am I blind?

Edit: Ok, ok, found it!!

Modifié par Lelahel, 01 septembre 2013 - 03:00 .

[Chari]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

Maybe it's like a chosen name which consist of a noun? E.g. Maraas, Ketojan.

[Navasha]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

The presence of any name is pretty indicative that they don't follow the Qun, yes.   

[Battlebloodmage]

Chari wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

Maybe it's like a chosen name which consist of a noun? E.g. Maraas, Ketojan.

Qun names people based on profession. Sten is no longer Sten once he promoted to Arishok.Maraas is a name Maraas giving to himself while Ketojan is a position within the Qun.

[Heimdall]

Chari wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

Maybe it's like a chosen name which consist of a noun? E.g. Maraas, Ketojan.

Its presented as a surname though, with another personal name.  I've never heard of a Qunari with two.

[Heimdall]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Chari wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

Maybe it's like a chosen name which consist of a noun? E.g. Maraas, Ketojan.

Qun names people based on profession. Sten is no longer Sten once he promoted to Arishok.Maraas is a name Maraas giving to himself while Ketojan is a position within the Qun.

Ketojan was just the name Sister Petrice gave him, not part of the Qun.

[Battlebloodmage]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Chari wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The presence of a surname would seem to suggest Tal Vashoth, no?

Maybe it's like a chosen name which consist of a noun? E.g. Maraas, Ketojan.

Qun names people based on profession. Sten is no longer Sten once he promoted to Arishok.Maraas is a name Maraas giving to himself while Ketojan is a position within the Qun.

Ketojan was just the name Sister Petrice gave him, not part of the Qun.

Shoot, you're right, I remember it wrong.