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[shit's fucked cunts]

"Boss" in an English accent sounds very... criminally.. underworlderly.. why is that?

[Salvatore510]

Great, there's a strong chance the human is a Ferelden again. At least there's some hope he's a Marcher.

[Heimdall]

Heidenreich wrote..

nightcobra8928 wrote..
they call you "your eminence" as well in the video

i assume, "my lord" "master" "boss" are also included

only thing left is "lord commander" and "captain awesome"
...what?

lololol
In any event I doubt very much they'll be calling you by a surname when they're open to change. Why bother to record VO for a name that can be changed at the players whims. It'll probably be "love" or some other such thing that notes that they're refering to you with out naming you ;p

They're only open to change in the sense that there are four possibilities.  That's less than DA:O.  I'm not claiming it would be a common occurrence.  But being called by something other than a title would be nice and quite possible.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 01 septembre 2013 - 03:53 .

[Wissenschaft]

The Qunari refer to themselves as Qunari in the same way the citizens of the USA refer to themselves as American. If a distinction needs to be made on race then use an Adjative. African-American or Elf-Qunari. However, Caucasians don't call themselves White-Americans or use the term Caucasians. They'd rather be identity by their ethnic/national origin (German-American) or just Americans. In the same, Qunari themselves don't use the term Kossith. It may even be an outdated term that no longer applies to the Qunari race. In any case, don't expect to ever hear that term in game.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 01 septembre 2013 - 04:29 .

[FenrirBlackDragon]

The surnames sound interesting, especially the Dwarven one since Cadash was the same house that Shale was from originally when she was a dwarf.

[Navasha]

Faerunner wrote...

If you ask me, that's horribly inefficient.

"Qunari" as an umbrella term for both the race and the philosophy/religion may be fine for people in-universe, but out-of-universe it makes it very confusing for people trying to distinguish between the genetic race of grey, horned giants, and the followers of the strict philosophy religion. I think over half the posts since "Qunari" were announced as a playable race have been "Wait, are we talking followers of the Qun, or just the race of horned giants?"

In fact, for a race famous for being super efficient in everything, this is a horribly inefficient term.

Which, ironically, demonstrates perfectly the alien-thinking of the Qunari.   To them the term, Qunari, would be translated to something like "Of the One".  They don't look at themselves as a race.  They don't even view themselves as individuals.   They view themselves as a single organism, with individuals being little more than cells in a body.   

To the Qunari, you either are part of the 'being' or you are not.   That's actually pretty efficient.    Its only when trying to explain their alien thinking in common rational human terms that it starts to get confusing. 

[cactusberry]

I remember reading that surnames were not fixed, not sure where though.

[blod007]

The Sean Bean picture below the OP has the same type scar as Varric...they wouldn't...would they?
In my head the Inquisitor is now called Bond.

[Heimdall]

TheDarkRats wrote...

I remember reading that surnames were not fixed, not sure where though.

Well they aren't.  There is more than one to choose from, but as in Origins they are bound to a race.

[Big I]

Faerunner wrote...
 But, I think the term is inefficient out-of-universe because it makes it difficult for people to separate the race from the ideology in discussions. I would like for there to be a term for fans out-of-universe to make it easier to distinguish the biological race from the followers of the philosophy-religion.

The bottom line for me is that kossith is an archaic and incorrect term. The qunari don't use it to refer to themselves, and no-one else uses it to refer to them in Thedas. As for differentiating between types of qunari, simply add a qualifier; elven or human qunari for believer, rebel qunari for tal vashoth, etc.

[Potato Cat]

Zazzerka wrote...

"Boss" in an English accent sounds very... criminally.. underworlderly.. why is that?

HA! Your avatar made me hear Morrigan say that last part! But yeah, I'm English and agree. I think its one of those words only Americans should say, like "stoked". Then again, no one should EVER say that word,

[MKDAWUSS]

scyphozoa wrote...

Cirram55 wrote...

Human - Trevelyan

Couldn't resist. 

"For Ferelden, James!"

[Blackout62]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

Cirram55 wrote...

Human - Trevelyan

[image snip]

Couldn't resist. 

"For Ferelden, James!"

"No... For me."

[Spectre slayer]

It's not just Gaider who spoke out against this Qunari vs Kossith distinction though since Mary Kirby did aswell and what she says is that Kossith might not actually be the name of the race but the culture that predates the the conversion to the Qun yet some people still use it and I don't understand why since no one else uses it, not the Qunari, not the devs, not the writers so why do people use it.

"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. 


Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

http://social.biowar...3267/3#14904924

http://dgaider.tumbl...-i-hate-how-the

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 01 septembre 2013 - 06:57 .

[cindercatz]

First thing that jumps out is the idea that the human will be Fereldan (or of fereldan descent). Ugh. I sincerely hope we can play Orlesian. The whole idea of every major heroic actor in the story being fereldan, when they're not carrying over the same character, and with all these interesting nations and cultures in the lore, is boring and gamey. If that's true, it's not 'neat'. It just points out to me that somebody in marketing thinks an english accent will sell better than a french one. I disagree. An orlesian protagonist option would help differentiate this game, both from the other two and from every other fantasy/medievalish franchise out there. Most of the english speaking audience that buys this game is not going to hear their own accent, regardless, if anybody thinks that's a thing.

Being able to hear a more unique voice (compared to the market), with the ability to throw some actual french into the dialogue (ala Italian in AC2 etc.), would add a whole new level of cool to the game. Also, if the protagonist is automatically of Fereldan descent, if not fereldan themself, then for me, that would tend to bias the Inquisitor character more toward Ferelden than Orlais, which means the player perspective isn't shifted as much as it could be compared to the other games. I'd much rather be fully Orlesian and play as an insider here than another Fereldan. Likewise, the other racial options give the insider perspective for each of their respective home areas in the storyline.

Having options to play either, though, would be cool, if they can manage that many PC VAs, or if the VA is Orlesian regardless with a selectable family history.

That would require multiple selectable surnames, and I hope each of them is used in Dialogue. My ideal preference is to have like five or six selectable surnames among different racial choices and like five or six personal names to choose from, so that they can all be voiced in different lines by the relevant characters. It's not like you have to record each line that uses them six or twenty different times, whatever number. Any VA could record the line and then give each selectable name in the same way, and the game could apply the correct name to the line, no different than the way player names are assigned and used in something like NBA 2K. That would make the whole thing that much more personal to each character and each player's invidual playthrough, and it's not all that resource expensive to do, either in disk space, recording time, or word count. It would add a minor layer of complexity, sure, but not so much to disadvise it, I wouldn't think.

The Qunari thing is interesting.

Wissenschaft wrote...

The Qunari refer to themselves as Qunari in the same way the citizens of the USA refer to themselves as American. If a distinction needs to be made on race then use an Adjative. African-American or Elf-Qunari. However, Caucasians don't call themselves White-Americans or use the term Caucasians. They'd rather be identity by their ethnic/national origin (German-American) or just Americans. In the same, Qunari themselves don't use the term Kossith. It may even be an outdated term that no longer applies to the Qunari race. In any case, don't expect to ever hear that term in game.

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That's not exactly true. It highly depends on how long your family's been here, how interbred you are, and whether you're from a region that still segregates somewhat according to ethnic origins. It is true caucasion itself is not a greatly used self descriptor (even though it is typically what you see on government forms), but at least in my case, I don't use the term because it's factually incorrect. The word caucasion actually implies your family is largely from a particular region of Europe, not blanket european, so it's kind of an archaic misuse. Typically, we refer to ourselves more by racial group (as a blanket category, white, black, etc.), regionality (southern, coastal, by state, etc.), and nationality (so american, but also mexican-american, irish-american, etc.), but also our own particular heritage, not necessarily in those specifics.

Like, I'm "white/native american". I have at least two native tribal nations and at least three european regional ethnicities in my bloodline, never mind national origin distinctions, so terms like German-American, Irish-American, etc. would apply, but I'd have to go on for a while to describe my ethnic identity in that level of granularity. I have to sum all those together if I want to ethnically self-identify succinctly. America is more and more a mixed ethnic soup than a more ethnically segregated salad bowl. Depending, of course. (or a "melting pot", like social studies says)

The Qunari are probably more ethnically diverse than any other culture in Thedas, so it makes sense there would be a huge range of internal distinctions that wouldn't necessarily be practical to codify. It's just that the Qunari value the collective and the role within the collective more than the individual, to the extreme, so in most circumstances only the collective indentifier would be presented, because that's the message they intend to communicate and reinforce. If the Qunari Inquisitor is using personal names outwardly, they probably don't follow the Qun, but just having a personal name doesn't mean they identify themselves by it to outsiders or would use it as a self descriptor like they would their societal role. What would be cool is if the game allows you to self identify as Qunari or not by whether you play within the Qun's code or not.

Modifié par cindercatz, 01 septembre 2013 - 06:31 .

[Cirram55]

^ Well, rumor has it they're looking into adding more voices to choose from, so maybe we'll be able to speak with an orlesian accent as well.
I hope they find the necessary time and resources.

[Cylan Cooper]

I thought that you could have your own name and surname in this game due to being referred to only as 'Inquisitor'.

[Little Princess Peach]

Shales house eh? alright I'm calling my dwarf stone just for the hell of it

[Han Shot First]

Wulfram wrote...

Trevelyan is definitely British (specifically Cornish) and thus Fereldan.

Yet another hero from Ferelden?

That's disappointing.

[AppealToReason]

I hope this means that it won't be "Inquisitor" all game. Agh thats such a mouthful.

[JJDXB]

I could pull at straws here and say that because Trevelyan is Cornish, it must also be Breton and thus French...

Nah, that's just too much. I'd like to see more voices, even if it isn't in the game at release.

[Das Tentakel]

Wulfram wrote...

Trevelyan is definitely British (specifically Cornish) and thus Fereldan.

Not necessarily. Thedas is full of British placenames and it's a good guess this also applies to family names. Meredith's family name, Stannard, is English, though she's a Kirkwall native.  Known surnames are a bit scarce, and they often seem to follow generic fantasy naming rules (meaning either English / British or a mix of English / British and made-up / modified stuff); that's where we got surnames like 'van Markham' (Dutch + English) from, and possibly Pentaghast (from Irish / Welsh Prendergast).

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 01 septembre 2013 - 08:16 .