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[LOLandStuff]

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

[theflyingzamboni]

I quite enjoyed the MotA DLC and Tallis as a character and would would love to see her come back as a companion. Honestly, I was really surprised to find out how many people around here disliked her.

Modifié par Led Guardian, 02 novembre 2013 - 05:28 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

[iOnlySignIn]

David Gaider wrote...

I would never include or not include a character based on a petition, but the nay-sayers certainly do make it tempting.

Surely this means there is no plan to include Tallis at the moment?

[Fallstar]

I enjoyed MotA and never had the problems many people seemed to with Tallis. So no, I wouldn't have any problem with her returning if it fit the story in some way. Although, I doubt the Qunari will be a central part of the DA:I plot, so perhaps it would be more fitting for her to return in a later game where they are? If a later game were to have a greater focus on the conflict between the Qunari and Tevinter for instance.

[Teddie Sage]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

People just love to invent more reasons to hate some characters. Pathetic, isn't it? I think Tallis is a fine character, I would love to have more of her in the next game.

[LOLandStuff]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

[Beliar86]

I didn't mind Tallis' backstory but didn't care much for the voice acting or being shoe horned into supporting her goals.

Problem is even if you adore her it would suck, as they would have to retread all that old ground for newcomers as far as making her a permanent companion goes.

A cameo appearance/mini mission to wrap up what happened to her would be alright. Make it to where it only appears if you have Played Mark of the Assassin DLC checked would be my recommendation.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

That's not a flaw with the character, it's a flaw in the mechanics of that scene. It would have been better to include a struggle where Tallis escapes, but the fact that there isn't one has nothing to do with the writing of Tallis herself.

[HiroVoid]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

That's not a flaw with the character, it's a flaw in the mechanics of that scene. It would have been better to include a struggle where Tallis escapes, but the fact that there isn't one has nothing to do with the writing of Tallis herself.

To be fair, it can be said that it is a flaw with the character if the only reason the scene happened is because of who the character is.  But this was a problem with DAII in general, so I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

[Dutchess]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

People just love to invent more reasons to hate some characters. Pathetic, isn't it? I think Tallis is a fine character, I would love to have more of her in the next game.

I think calling people pathetic because they differ in their opinion from yours is quite a bit worse. Tallis was the first Bioware companion I greatly disliked because I found her to be very badly written, indeed as some kind of great fanfiction star. She had to be perfect, and that means she had to be: 
- funny, but despite me generally liking the humor in DA, I found her "witty" remarks not amusing at all ("I got your nose"... uhu).
- badass. Cue introduction scene in which she jumps around and kills Crows, stops in front of the leader, winks at him, then slits his throat.
- sensitive. And there we have the amazing contradiction of her weeping over a guards corpse while she previously winked at the guy she was about to murder in cold blood. Level of hypocrisy: 100. 
- wise/smart. Random one-liners that supposedly hold a great deal of wisdom.

On top of that the voice acting was not very good, which made all these mediocre witty and wise remarks even more difficult to bear.

[Star fury]

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

It's good to be David Gaider's friend. We saw that he deeply cares about Felicia Day and Tallis from his remarks in this thread.

[Teddie Sage]

renjility wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse than a Mary Sue?

People just love to invent more reasons to hate some characters. Pathetic, isn't it? I think Tallis is a fine character, I would love to have more of her in the next game.

I think calling people pathetic because they differ in their opinion from yours is quite a bit worse. Tallis was the first Bioware companion I greatly disliked because I found her to be very badly written, indeed as some kind of great fanfiction star. She had to be perfect, and that means she had to be: 
- funny, but despite me generally liking the humor in DA, I found her "witty" remarks not amusing at all ("I got your nose"... uhu).
- badass. Cue introduction scene in which she jumps around and kills Crows, stops in front of the leader, winks at him, then slits his throat.
- sensitive. And there we have the amazing contradiction of her weeping over a guards corpse while she previously winked at the guy she was about to murder in cold blood. Level of hypocrisy: 100. 
- wise/smart. Random one-liners that supposedly hold a great deal of wisdom.

On top of that the voice acting was not very good, which made all these mediocre witty and wise remarks even more difficult to bear.

There, I need to correct you. I wasn't calling those people pathetic. I found the situation pathetic.

[Hazegurl]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse [/i]than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

I agree, I wanted her dead the moment she threatened me but not being able to kill her isn't the issue, it's just allowing her to walk away is where the real problem lies. We're given the option to not help her then at the end we just let her go? The DLC seemed so Bipolar. I had a Hawke who sided with Patrice and wanted the Qunari dead and gone but now he's supposed to just let one go because...she got my nose?

[leaguer of one]

Hazegurl wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse [/i]than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

I agree, I wanted her dead the moment she threatened me but not being able to kill her isn't the issue, it's just allowing her to walk away is where the real problem lies. We're given the option to not help her then at the end we just let her go? The DLC seemed so Bipolar. I had a Hawke who sided with Patrice and wanted the Qunari dead and gone but now he's supposed to just let one go because...she got my nose?

That's not the issue with the character. That's the issue with the plot.

[leaguer of one]

Beliar86 wrote...

I didn't mind Tallis' backstory but didn't care much for the voice acting or being shoe horned into supporting her goals.

Problem is even if you adore her it would suck, as they would have to retread all that old ground for newcomers as far as making her a permanent companion goes.

A cameo appearance/mini mission to wrap up what happened to her would be alright. Make it to where it only appears if you have Played Mark of the Assassin DLC checked would be my recommendation.

If that was an issue then no past characters would be in the game at all. Remeber, you are playing a new character who never met her. What  Hawk knows has no connection to the inquisitor just like what the Warden knows has no connection to Hawk.

[Hazegurl]

leaguer of one wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse [/i]than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

I agree, I wanted her dead the moment she threatened me but not being able to kill her isn't the issue, it's just allowing her to walk away is where the real problem lies. We're given the option to not help her then at the end we just let her go? The DLC seemed so Bipolar. I had a Hawke who sided with Patrice and wanted the Qunari dead and gone but now he's supposed to just let one go because...she got my nose?

That's not the issue with the character. That's the issue with the plot.

How is it an issue with the plot for the character to be so unlikeable you want them dead?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not. But the fact that you don't get to kill them IS an issue with the plot. There are a lot of characters the PCs don't get to kill.

[leaguer of one]

Hazegurl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

It was a vanity DLC, else we'd have had the option to kill her, not just toss around threats. But can't have her precious Tallis dead since there are so many fanfictions for her to write.
Tallis wasn't part of the DA universe, the DA universe was revolving around her somehow.
She's not a Mary Sue, she's a Black Hole Sue which is even worse.

So anyone the protagonist doesn't get to kill is worse [/i]than a Mary Sue?

Don't give the option to kill  if you're just gonna let her walk away like nothing happened. Hawke makes several threats. If she tricked him/her in some way, used some smoke bomb to escape, I would've been fine. But she just walks away with a dangerous list. I don't hate her for the sake of hating, but everything in the DLC sure bends to make her look awesome and successful for no good reason.

I agree, I wanted her dead the moment she threatened me but not being able to kill her isn't the issue, it's just allowing her to walk away is where the real problem lies. We're given the option to not help her then at the end we just let her go? The DLC seemed so Bipolar. I had a Hawke who sided with Patrice and wanted the Qunari dead and gone but now he's supposed to just let one go because...she got my nose?

That's not the issue with the character. That's the issue with the plot.

How is it an issue with the plot for the character to be so unlikeable you want them dead?

So what you feel about characters is the only one that count? If I like her character it matter no because you don't like her and it over rides what ever I feel?

Sorry, but I'm going to put what you feel about her under "opinion". It's not a fact that everyone wants her dead. It more of a case that you don't like her and your upset that you can't kill her. Well, too bad. Not every character is made for you to like. And if a character you don't like does not die or have an choice to kell them then thats a plot issue, not a character issue.

[PSUHammer]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I would never include or not include a character based on a petition, but the nay-sayers certainly do make it tempting.

I really hope that this isn't the general attitude in BioWare.

Something tells me it is. There seems to be some fan hate going on with BW so it wouldn't surprise me that they would include something based solely on the fans disapproval of it.

Gaider was being sarcastic. Let's not read too much into it.

Clearly you don't know BSN very well.  Overanalyze, complain, grovel, repeat.

[Pokemario]

. So many people complain about returning characters on Dragon Age
. So many people beg Bioware for returning characters on Mass Effect

Humanity,you never fail to amuse me

[HiroVoid]

Pokemario wrote...

. So many people complain about returning characters on Dragon Age
. So many people beg Bioware for returning characters on Mass Effect

Humanity,you never fail to amuse me

Humanity contains many different people rather than everyone thinking the same?

[Urazz]

I really don't see a reason to have her in the story. She's more tied in to Qunari storylines than any other storylines with the way they used her. If she shows up in DA:I, it'll probably be only for a quest that is related to the Qunari and at the most she would just be a temporary companion.

[TurretSyndrome]

leaguer of one wrote...
That's not the issue with the character. That's the issue with the plot.

The source of the issue would be the character.

[wolfhowwl]

I would rather suffer playing Dragon Age II a thousand times. I would rather die in agony than accept having Tallis return.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 03 novembre 2013 - 05:19 .