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[Plaintiff]

Pokemario wrote...

. So many people complain about returning characters on Dragon Age
. So many people beg Bioware for returning characters on Mass Effect

Humanity,you never fail to amuse me

SInce when does hating Tallis translate to hating eturning characters generally?

There are several characters I would like to see again. Tallis is not one of them.

[Drasanil]

Please, no Tallis. Whenever Felicia Day is involved things just tend to devolve into being all about her/her character to the detriment of everything else. Just saw her last week in Supernatural and it reminded me all over again of why I can't stand her.

Adorkable makes me want to do bad things to cute furry creatures, small children and little old ladies:(

[Hazegurl]

leaguer of one wrote...
So what you feel about characters is the only one that count? If I like her character it matter no because you don't like her and it over rides what ever I feel?

Sorry, but I'm going to put what you feel about her under "opinion". It's not a fact that everyone wants her dead. It more of a case that you don't like her and your upset that you can't kill her. Well, too bad. Not every character is made for you to like. And if a character you don't like does not die or have an choice to kell them then thats a plot issue, not a character issue.

Is there anything in my post that is telling you how you should feel?  You are reading way too much into it. I'm 100% for player choice in these games so there is no way I would ever tell another player what they should like or what choices they should make.

Also, I said I *wanted* her dead I never said I *should* have her dead. Please reread my post and tell me where you get that I am upset because I didn't get to kill her.

 The only plot issue I have is how all over the place it seemed to the point of being downright bipolar. My Hawke hated the Qunari and I was given ample opportunity to express this in the main game and in MoA I was still able to express some dislike and even ditch Tallis but seriously, why would my Hawke help her? He hates the Qunari and she threatened him. If my Hawke was given the chance he would have sided with the Duke. But near the end he just wanted to go back to crazy Kirkwall and leave the Duke and Tallis to fight it out on their own so overall the plot never made me give two craps about anything they were going through.

Reasons why I don't like Tallis herself: She's annoying, she threatened my Hawke, she wasn't as witty as she thinks she is, she's not as wise as she thinks she is, everything out of her mouth was a Qunari wankfest. It's like hanging out with the Alienage Quanri elves for a few hours. Talk about everything you'd expect from a Qun worshipping zealot. Sten from DA1 was more tolerable then the Quanri lot from DA2. So yeah I have a character issue and a plot issue with MoA.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 03 novembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Hazegurl]

Plaintiff wrote...

Pokemario wrote...

. So many people complain about returning characters on Dragon Age
. So many people beg Bioware for returning characters on Mass Effect

Humanity,you never fail to amuse me

SInce when does hating Tallis translate to hating eturning characters generally?

There are several characters I would[/b] like to see again. Tallis is not one of them.

It's all about Tallis fans jumping to conclusions, the more dramatic the better. I would love to see a lot of DA characters again. To the point where I sort of hate that DA is not a series like Mass Effect. I would have liked to had been my Warden all the way through, given a voice and everything. I would love to see Fenris, Alistair, Islabella, Carver, Aveline, and Varric again. Throw in Wynne, Sten, Ohgren, and the Chantry mother citing verses about bacon and ham and we have a winner for me.

Characters I dislike like Shale, Anders, and Tallis I never wish to see again and characters I'm more neutral to like Leliana and Merrill I don't care if I ever see again. 

[Alexius]

Tallis again? Really?

Better not.

[esper]

The problem with Tallis was that:
- Her introduction was a rule of cool introduction, with her jumping all over the places and killing people with almost glee. (The wink, good lord, the wink). That would be fine, Isabella's introduction was also pretty much rule of cool, but Tallis later reaction to the guard makes her present herself as a terrible, terrible person who apperently think that some people should be killed wiht glee over doing their jobs, while other's should be mourned when killed for doing their jobs.
Isabella on the other hand, is consitently written as kinda of selfish girl that likes brawls, duels and so on.


- She was inconsistent in her believes, which is fine in itself, she is a convert after all, but Hawke never got to call her out on the inconsistency. Just like the companions didn't get to use it against her in the banters. The other companions flaws get mercilessly used against them, lampshaded and generally pointed out.

- Her humor just wasn't funny. The wink, not funny, the nose thing, absolutely not funny in the situation. It think she tried to pull something between witty and cute off, but due to her betrayl that just doesn't work.

- She outshone the companions.

- She was written to be liked despite the above and being a traitorous jerk. And here in lies the problem. If she was meant to be dislikeable or even polerizing it wouldn't be so bad, but the big decision in the dlc hinges on the fact that the players likes Tallis enough to trust her in spite of all. Which means that she should generally fall into likeable and not polarizing or unlikeable. Add in the fact that the game tries to guilt the player into siding wiht her and obviously thinks that siding wiht her is right. (You don't even get to try and attack her, she just walks away looking all hurt and sad and then Varric use the nose thing again, as if it was actually suppossed to be a good joke) and it just feels like she was meant to be likeable.

I actually liked the Mark of Asssassin dlc, in spite of Tallis and I personally feel it would be better if she was a non-companion we have met at the party and then somehow got drawn into the plot, as opposed to having her force fed the whole dlc.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

esper wrote...

The problem with Tallis was that:
- Her introduction was a rule of cool introduction, with her jumping all over the places and killing people with almost glee. (The wink, good lord, the wink). That would be fine, Isabella's introduction was also pretty much rule of cool, but Tallis later reaction to the guard makes her present herself as a terrible, terrible person who apperently think that some people should be killed wiht glee over doing their jobs, while other's should be mourned when killed for doing their jobs.
Isabella on the other hand, is consitently written as kinda of selfish girl that likes brawls, duels and so on.

Tallis killing different people inspires different reactions. Killing professional assassins is not the same thing as killing a guard.

esper wrote...
- She was inconsistent in her believes, which is fine in itself, she is a convert after all, but Hawke never got to call her out on the inconsistency. Just like the companions didn't get to use it against her in the banters. The other companions flaws get mercilessly used against them, lampshaded and generally pointed out.

- Her humor just wasn't funny. The wink, not funny, the nose thing, absolutely not funny in the situation. It think she tried to pull something between witty and cute off, but due to her betrayl that just doesn't work.

- She outshone the companions.

A couple companions got a good shot in during banter. Fenris especially.

Fenris: So you escape a life of servitude and oppression only to join a life of obediance and servillity .
Tallis: I am not oppressed. I serve because I wish to.
Fenris: In the manner they dictate and under pain of death.
Tallis: You make it sound so senseless.
Fenris: Voluntarily giving up your freedom is senseless.

[Morty Smith]

PSUHammer wrote...

Clearly you don't know BSN very well.  Overanalyze, complain, grovel, repeat.

*chuckles* The irony rides on horse-backs high.

[Angrywolves]

Tallis wasn't well written. The reasons for Hawke helping her were insufficient . One player said his Hawke hated the Qunari. Hawke had no reason to hate the Qunari . If the player hates the Qunari he should have said so. shrugs.
Bioware can have her back as one of the Inquisitor's agents . Since she's presumably Tal Vashoth by now she probably needs a job.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Angrywolves wrote...

One player said his Hawke hated the Qunari. Hawke had no reason to hate the Qunari.

Er, I'd say that a post-Act II Hawke has several reasons to hate the qunari, the largest being that they started a war in Kirkwall which began with them trying to kill you.

[Nightdragon8]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

One player said his Hawke hated the Qunari. Hawke had no reason to hate the Qunari.

Er, I'd say that a post-Act II Hawke has several reasons to hate the qunari, the largest being that they started a war in Kirkwall which began with them trying to kill you.

pretty much this, after act 2, Hawke would have alot of reasons to dislike the Quanri.

[Thrillian]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

One player said his Hawke hated the Qunari. Hawke had no reason to hate the Qunari.

Er, I'd say that a post-Act II Hawke has several reasons to hate the qunari, the largest being that they started a war in Kirkwall which began with them trying to kill you.

pretty much this, after act 2, Hawke would have alot of reasons to dislike the Quanri.

Also this is a roleplaying game,  if a player wanted to roleplay that their Hawke hated the Qunari... well then, their Hawke can hate the Qunari for any reason the player likes.

Edit:  Not that I am arguing for or against Tallis as a companion, just not sure why this was relevant.

Modifié par Thrillho_82, 06 novembre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Angrywolves]

Don't agree that Hawke should hate the Qunari.
Maybe Hawke should hate Isabela.
Without that silly Tome the Qunari wouldn't be in Kirkwall.
People can believe what they want. If DAI hadn't been rushed by EA it might have been a very different game.
As it was DAI was poorly written as a tragedy where the hero ultimately is at the mercy of events and fails despite their best efforts. Not a successful formula for any video game imo.
shrugs.

[Zazzerka]

Angrywolves wrote...

If DAI hadn't been rushed by EA it might have been a very different game.
As it was DAI was poorly written as a tragedy where the hero ultimately is at the mercy of events and fails despite their best efforts.

What else can you tell us about the year 2014, O great master of time?

[wolfhowwl]

Even before the Qunari attack, Hawke can express their dislike for the Qunari and side with Sister Petrice against them.

[Thrillian]

Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree that Hawke should hate the Qunari.
Maybe Hawke should hate Isabela.
Without that silly Tome the Qunari wouldn't be in Kirkwall.
People can believe what they want. If DAI hadn't been rushed by EA it might have been a very different game.
As it was DAI was poorly written as a tragedy where the hero ultimately is at the mercy of events and fails despite their best efforts. Not a successful formula for any video game imo.
shrugs.

It doesn't matter if you agree that someone else's Hawke should hate the Qunari, nor should it matter that some other Hawke hated Isabela as I'm sure many did.  My Hawke did not hate either Tallis or Isabela but I have no interest in seeing Tallis in DA:I and am indifferent to seeing Isabela in the game.

Not sure what your statements on DA2 (I think you meant) being rushed or the ultimate fate of said hero have to do with the topic of Tallis returning as a DLC companion.

[TurretSyndrome]

Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree that Hawke should hate the Qunari.
Maybe Hawke should hate Isabela.
Without that silly Tome the Qunari wouldn't be in Kirkwall.
People can believe what they want. If DAI hadn't been rushed by EA it might have been a very different game.
As it was DAI was poorly written as a tragedy where the hero ultimately is at the mercy of events and fails despite their best efforts. Not a successful formula for any video game imo.
shrugs.

Are you kidding me? Forget the ACT-2, Hawke has enough reason to hate the Qunari from the get-go. Remember the Qunari in Lothering who massacred all those farmers and children? Yeah...

And nobody said, Hawke "should" hate the Qunari, the guy was saying that his Hawke hates the Qunari. It's a roleplay. If you were looking for a proper reason to hate them though, well... I just gave you one.

[ilego]

I would like her

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Is there a petition to kill Tallis off in the worse way possible?

Modifié par DinoSteve, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:57 .

[Usergnome]

DinoSteve wrote...

Is there a petition to kill Tallis off in the worse way possible?

You're a bad person.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Usergnome wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Is there a petition to kill Tallis off in the worse way possible?

You're a bad person.

For wanting to kill off a fictional character? yea I'm terrible. With that line of reasoning George R.R Martin must be the Devil.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 25 novembre 2013 - 11:10 .

[Hellion Rex]

ilego wrote...

I would like her

Why must you keep necro'ing Tallis threads?

Modifié par eluvianix, 25 novembre 2013 - 11:09 .

[Angrywolves]

turet had turets. Hawke had nothing to do with sten. Heck was a good party member in DAO and had nothing to do with Kirkwall. A way off base argument . Dinostevie is trolling.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I am not trolling, Tallis is the 3rd worst character in Dragon Age.

[Hellion Rex]

DinoSteve wrote...

I am not trolling, Tallis is the 3rd worst character in Dragon Age.

Dare, I ask who the other two are?