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[sandalisthemaker]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

DAO, please. Just like other things, you shouldn't always get what you want when it comes to romance options. If it makes sense for the character (Zevran, Leliana) that's fine, but there should be some cases when the option isn't available (Alistair, Sebastian). And for Christ's sake, keep some internal consistency - if a character is shown to be obviously inclined one way, don't break them over your knee and mangle the character just to fill the damn quota.

In fact, let's just forget DA2's romances existed as a whole.

Nevermind the fact that DAO had 2 options for straight romances per gender but only 1 gay option per gender.

But that's okay, right?

No.

[bleetman]

d4eaming wrote...

No they didn't. Anders hits on the PC once, and if you tell him not interested, he never brings it up again. Fenris will ONLY flirt with the PC if you started it first. Why do people keep bringing up this bull**** homophobic lie every time?

Hey, if they relied on accurate statements they'd never have anything to post about.

Sopa de Gato wrote...

DAO, please. Just like other things, you shouldn't always get what you want when it comes to romance options. If it makes sense for the character (Zevran, Leliana) that's fine

Fair enough. Let's recap the necessary character traits for a bi/pansexual person, shall we:

- is sometimes attracted to men
- is also sometimes attracted to women
- literally nothing else

Splendid. By this arduous process of elimination, then, we can therefore exclude absolutely nobody.

Modifié par bleetman, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[d4eaming]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

DAO, please. Just like other things, you shouldn't always get what you want when it comes to romance options. If it makes sense for the character (Zevran, Leliana) that's fine, but there should be some cases when the option isn't available (Alistair, Sebastian). And for Christ's sake, keep some internal consistency - if a character is shown to be obviously inclined one way, don't break them over your knee and mangle the character just to fill the damn quota.

In fact, let's just forget DA2's romances existed as a whole.

Because no GLBT person is ever closeted and lets people just assume to know their orientation rather than risk rejection or even assault for being honest. That never happens. People are "mangled" when someone learns their heteronormative assumption is wrong.

God, do you people get how offensive that whole notion is?

[Potato Cat]

Anders was really one of the most inconsistent characters ever, and it's not just the sexuality. In Awakening, he was lovable and funny. In DA2, he was just downright cruel to people who really didn't deserve it, like Bethany and Aveline. Seriously some of the things he said to them were just awful. He's one of the most intolerant, egotistical and unpleasant characters. Forget Meredith, to me he is the Big Bad of DA2. I know suddenly he's got Vengeance with him, but I don't find that a good enough excuse for his behaviour.

On to the sexuality, people are saying like he was bisexual in DA2. That wasn't the case when I played it. If you were female, Karl was just a friend and Anders was straight, but if you were a male, Anders acted exclusively homosexual and Karl was much more than a friend. Even if he just downplayed the relationship with Karl to a female Hawke, why? There's no lore reason, especially for a Circle Mage, who are particularly sexually liberal.

That's my problem with the Anders inconsistency.

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The only way to know a character's orientation *for sure* is to either have that character explicitly tell you their orientation, or the creator of that character has to explicitly tell you the orientation. Otherwise, it is just an assumption that straight is the default.

Anyway, I prefer DA2's approach, but will be okay with an equal number of sexualities per gender.

Lol this makes me think... What if Morrigan judt found female Warden ugly but is bi? Or if Alistair thinks that the male Warden is unattractive but is bi? Hehe, makes you think. 

But.... but but but but...my poor male Warden :crying::crying::crying:

You don't know how much you depressed me with that sentence...

[sandalisthemaker]

Elfman wrote...

Anders was really one of the most inconsistent characters ever, and it's not just the sexuality. In Awakening, he was lovable and funny. In DA2, he was just downright cruel to people who really didn't deserve it, like Bethany and Aveline. Seriously some of the things he said to them were just awful. He's one of the most intolerant, egotistical and unpleasant characters. Forget Meredith, to me he is the Big Bad of DA2. I know suddenly he's got Vengeance with him, but I don't find that a good enough excuse for his behaviour.

On to the sexuality, people are saying like he was bisexual in DA2. That wasn't the case when I played it. If you were female, Karl was just a friend and Anders was straight, but if you were a male, Anders acted exclusively homosexual and Karl was much more than a friend. Even if he just downplayed the relationship with Karl to a female Hawke, why? There's no lore reason, especially for a Circle Mage, who are particularly sexually liberal.

That's my problem with the Anders inconsistency.

I think people seem to forget that Anders is possessed in DA2.  That explains pretty much all of the personality changes for me.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 septembre 2013 - 12:57 .

[Paul E Dangerously]

d4eaming wrote...
Because no GLBT person is ever closeted and lets people just assume to know their orientation rather than risk rejection or even assault for being honest. That never happens. People are "mangled" when someone learns their heteronormative assumption is wrong.

God, do you people get how offensive that whole notion is?

Then let's talk about how it basically doesn't exist if you're playing a Female Hawke.

[Isaidlunch]

sandalisthemaker wrote...


Nevermind the fact that DAO had 2 options for straight romances per gender but only 1 gay option per gender.

But that's okay, right?

No.

You shouldn't always get what you want when it comes to romances... unless your character is straight apparently.

I'd also love to know when bisexuality "makes sense" for a character.

Modifié par Kazanth, 02 septembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Anders was really one of the most inconsistent characters ever, and it's not just the sexuality. In Awakening, he was lovable and funny. In DA2, he was just downright cruel to people who really didn't deserve it, like Bethany and Aveline. Seriously some of the things he said to them were just awful. He's one of the most intolerant, egotistical and unpleasant characters. Forget Meredith, to me he is the Big Bad of DA2. I know suddenly he's got Vengeance with him, but I don't find that a good enough excuse for his behaviour.

On to the sexuality, people are saying like he was bisexual in DA2. That wasn't the case when I played it. If you were female, Karl was just a friend and Anders was straight, but if you were a male, Anders acted exclusively homosexual and Karl was much more than a friend. Even if he just downplayed the relationship with Karl to a female Hawke, why? There's no lore reason, especially for a Circle Mage, who are particularly sexually liberal.

That's my problem with the Anders inconsistency.

I think people seem to forget that Anders is possessed in DA2.  That explains pretty much all of the personality changes for me.

This. Getting possessed by a spirit that reverses its own nature is bound to mess some people up. 
And since when has a Circle really been sexually liberal?

[ParkBom]

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The only way to know a character's orientation *for sure* is to either have that character explicitly tell you their orientation, or the creator of that character has to explicitly tell you the orientation. Otherwise, it is just an assumption that straight is the default.

Anyway, I prefer DA2's approach, but will be okay with an equal number of sexualities per gender.

Lol this makes me think... What if Morrigan judt found female Warden ugly but is bi? Or if Alistair thinks that the male Warden is unattractive but is bi? Hehe, makes you think. 

But.... but but but but...my poor male Warden :crying::crying::crying:

You don't know how much you depressed me with that sentence...

Gurl plz. Female Warden>Male Warden

[sandalisthemaker]

Kazanth wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...


Nevermind the fact that DAO had 2 options for straight romances per gender but only 1 gay option per gender.

But that's okay, right?

No.

You shouldn't always get what you want when it comes to romances... unless your character is straight.

I'd also love to know when bisexuality "makes sense" for a character.

I'm just going to assume you are being sarcastic here.  For both our sakes.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:02 .

[Hellion Rex]

Kazanth wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...


Nevermind the fact that DAO had 2 options for straight romances per gender but only 1 gay option per gender.

But that's okay, right?

No.

You shouldn't always get what you want when it comes to romances... unless your character is straight.

I'd also love to know when bisexuality "makes sense" for a character.

I agree with you. The way they phrased that, especially in regards to Kaidan rubbed me wrong. I get what they attempting to accomplish but I take issue with the way they said that.

[Zered]

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...

I'd prefer no romances at all. This has gotten silly and nobody will be happy anyway.

I'm starting to agree with this sentiment. These threads are pathetic. This thread hasn't reached "pathetic" status quite yet, but it certainly will eventually.

Yeah, I think the same way.

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The only way to know a character's orientation *for sure* is to either have that character explicitly tell you their orientation, or the creator of that character has to explicitly tell you the orientation. Otherwise, it is just an assumption that straight is the default.

Anyway, I prefer DA2's approach, but will be okay with an equal number of sexualities per gender.

Lol this makes me think... What if Morrigan judt found female Warden ugly but is bi? Or if Alistair thinks that the male Warden is unattractive but is bi? Hehe, makes you think. 

But.... but but but but...my poor male Warden :crying::crying::crying:

You don't know how much you depressed me with that sentence...

Gurl plz. Female Warden>Male Warden

Oh, it's on now!!!:devil::devil:

[ParkBom]

Haha, oh lawd!

[Hellion Rex]

michalooo wrote...

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...

I'd prefer no romances at all. This has gotten silly and nobody will be happy anyway.

I'm starting to agree with this sentiment. These threads are pathetic. This thread hasn't reached "pathetic" status quite yet, but it certainly will eventually.

Yeah, I think the same way.

Pathetic? In what way?

[canarius]

Lenimph wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

canarius wrote...

As long as I can romance one of the hottest characters in the game unlike ME3 (yes I'm talking about Traynor) I am fine with it. But please don't make it like DA2. Anders and Fenris were trying to bang my male Hawke everytime I talked to them.

 
It's posts like this that make me laugh evily to myself and make me reconsider this whole make everyone bi thing. 

Because watching these guys suffer over Traynor is strangely satisfying. 

Hey thats cruel.

[daveliam]

Eterna5 wrote...

Playersexual is probably the best option. Don't give them defined sexualities, your sexuality doesn't define who you are anyways. If your inquisitor is gay, the person who you are going after will also be gay in that playthrough. In another playthrough the same character could be straight if you picked a girl.

I really don't see why people make this option a big deal. It just means none of the LI have a canon sexuality, that hardly seems like a big deal. 

ive said this from the beginning.  Who says Merrill is bi?  I've never seen an official stance from Bioware (because that would be silly).  She didn't seem bi in my playthrough because I played a male who never flirted with her.  Her sexuality was undefined.  If I would have played a female and romanced her, perhaps she would be lesbian or bi (depending on her comments/actions.  Same thing with Fenris.  We know that he is either bi or straight because he will romance Isabela if Hawke doesn't, but if I play a female character, does he have any s and sex inclination?  No evidence of it, so who knows?  

I don't see why sexuality that is dependent on the PC's playthrough is so bad.  I dot care if Fenris is 'straight ' in your playthrough but 'gay' in mine, so why would you care?  No one has a problem that Harrowmont is King of Orzammar in my playthrough.  That seems like a bigger concern than who Fenris is sleeping with. 

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Haha, oh lawd!

Girl, you dont know who you messin with!

[Zered]

eluvianix wrote...

michalooo wrote...

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...

I'd prefer no romances at all. This has gotten silly and nobody will be happy anyway.

I'm starting to agree with this sentiment. These threads are pathetic. This thread hasn't reached "pathetic" status quite yet, but it certainly will eventually.

Yeah, I think the same way.

Pathetic? In what way?

In the way that people rage, QQ and are ready to wage personal wars just because one likes his computer character to be bi/straight/******/whatever and the other one is quite opposite. This is just dumb.

[Hellion Rex]

daveliam wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Playersexual is probably the best option. Don't give them defined sexualities, your sexuality doesn't define who you are anyways. If your inquisitor is gay, the person who you are going after will also be gay in that playthrough. In another playthrough the same character could be straight if you picked a girl.

I really don't see why people make this option a big deal. It just means none of the LI have a canon sexuality, that hardly seems like a big deal. 

ive said this from the beginning.  Who says Merrill is bi?  I've never seen an official stance from Bioware (because that would be silly).  She didn't seem bi in my playthrough because I played a male who never flirted with her.  Her sexuality was undefined.  If I would have played a female and romanced her, perhaps she would be lesbian or bi (depending on her comments/actions.  Same thing with Fenris.  We know that he is either bi or straight because he will romance Isabela if Hawke doesn't, but if I play a female character, does he have any s and sex inclination?  No evidence of it, so who knows?  

I don't see why sexuality that is dependent on the PC's playthrough is so bad.  I dot care if Fenris is 'straight ' in your playthrough but 'gay' in mine, so why would you care?  No one has a problem that Harrowmont is King of Orzammar in my playthrough.  That seems like a bigger concern than who Fenris is sleeping with. 

Preach, daveliam, preach!!!

[Potato Cat]

eluvianix wrote...
This. Getting possessed by a spirit that reverses its own nature is bound to mess some people up. 
And since when has a Circle really been sexually liberal?

I'm sure there is lore somewhere that says promiscuity is encouraged. To me, that's sexually liberal. And the demon thing, he says his anger changed Justice, and Justice then encouraged him to think more about other mages and not just himself. But that doesn't excuse some of the vile things he said, in my opinion.

[d4eaming]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

d4eaming wrote...
Because no GLBT person is ever closeted and lets people just assume to know their orientation rather than risk rejection or even assault for being honest. That never happens. People are "mangled" when someone learns their heteronormative assumption is wrong.

God, do you people get how offensive that whole notion is?

Then let's talk about how it basically doesn't exist if you're playing a Female Hawke.

And what's your point? I certainly don't tell people in my life my prefences, and my ex-husband is not aware of them as it wasn't relevant at the time. In the future, it may be relevent in another relationship, at which point it could be brought up.

So Anders doesn't explicitly tell female Hawke that he and Karl were having sex. It certainly seemed implied to me when playing a female Hawke, and was not a character mangling shocker when I found out for sure with my male Hawke. Also, Anders not telling female Hawke doesn't mean it never happened- assuming that is the case is bi-erasure.

Isabella does make it clear she swings both ways. Merril and Fenris never do, and in fact, neither of them ever express a preference for either gender, so male or female, you have no actual cues to inform you that they might be interested in your Hawke.

[WildOrchid]

canarius wrote...


Hey thats cruel.

Imagine all the girls (except Sam and Liara) not being into the same gender, to feel real cruelty.


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