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[ParkBom]

Just saying, some romances have made a game and/or it's characters much better. Like, KotOR, for instance. The romances made sense and were generally well-liked.

Removing them entirely removes a large part of Bioware characterization. Like, Zevran, for instance, gains so much from his romance if done a certain way. Merrill? Not so much.

EDIT: Not a large part, actually, for all chars. Just some that were done right.

All I'm saying is, romances that matter have been, or at least were, a Bioware staple. Removing them is just making Bioware more like other companies out there. Instead, they should make romances matter.

Modifié par JusticarFlareon, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:07 .

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, I don't know why Anders didn't immediately tell FemHawke about Karl. When I'm trying to chat up a woman, the very first thing I mention is my past homosexual experiences. Drives the ladies wild.

[Hellion Rex]

michalooo wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

michalooo wrote...

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...

I'd prefer no romances at all. This has gotten silly and nobody will be happy anyway.

I'm starting to agree with this sentiment. These threads are pathetic. This thread hasn't reached "pathetic" status quite yet, but it certainly will eventually.

Yeah, I think the same way.

Pathetic? In what way?

In the way that people rage, QQ and are ready to wage personal wars just because one likes his computer character to be bi/straight/******/whatever and the other one is quite opposite. This is just dumb.

I get that this topic annoys you. But if it bothers you so much, why are you here raining on everyone else's parade? You certainly aren't anything constructive to the conversation by labelling this thread as simply "dumb". Let the others rage and moan. They have a right to post how they want, just as you do. And regardless, some people are never gonna be happy with the romances anyway. That's life. I guarantee you that will be about 1000 or more threads like this in the upcoming months. Until we have solid info on the romances for the next game, this topic is probably not going anywhere. Sorry for the long post. 

[d4eaming]

thats1evildude wrote...

Yeah, I don't know why Anders didn't immediately tell FemHawke about Karl. When I'm trying to chat up a woman, the very first thing I mention is my past homosexual experiences. Drives the ladies wild.

Might work for some

[ParkBom]

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Haha, oh lawd!

Girl, you dont know who you messin with!

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[Potato Cat]

thats1evildude wrote...

Yeah, I don't know why Anders didn't immediately tell FemHawke about Karl. When I'm trying to chat up a woman, the very first thing I mention is my past homosexual experiences. Drives the ladies wild.

I'm sure you also don't start talking to girls you find attractive about your ex, or any of your past heterosexual experiences. It's the same thing for a male Hawke.

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Just saying, some romances have made a game and/or it's characters much better. Like, KotOR, for instance. The romances made sense and were generally well-liked.

Removing them entirely removes a large part of Bioware characterization. Like, Zevran, for instance, gains so much from his romance if done a certain way. Merrill? Not so much.

EDIT: Not a large part, actually, for all chars. Just some that were done right.

All I'm saying is, romances that matter have been, or at least were, a Bioware staple. Removing them is just making Bioware more like other companies out there. Instead, they should make romances matter.

I personally would have liked to romance Carth or Canderous with my male Revan, but I'm just a little bitter.
:P:P

[Hellion Rex]

Elfman wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Yeah, I don't know why Anders didn't immediately tell FemHawke about Karl. When I'm trying to chat up a woman, the very first thing I mention is my past homosexual experiences. Drives the ladies wild.

I'm sure you also don't start talking to girls you find attractive about your ex, or any of your past heterosexual experiences. It's the same thing for a male Hawke.

This.

[d-boy15]

personally, I like the direction of ME3 but whatever... player never enough with their option anyway.
throw in 5:2 exclusive option for them, they still want that 2 and complain.

[ParkBom]

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Just saying, some romances have made a game and/or it's characters much better. Like, KotOR, for instance. The romances made sense and were generally well-liked.

Removing them entirely removes a large part of Bioware characterization. Like, Zevran, for instance, gains so much from his romance if done a certain way. Merrill? Not so much.

EDIT: Not a large part, actually, for all chars. Just some that were done right.

All I'm saying is, romances that matter have been, or at least were, a Bioware staple. Removing them is just making Bioware more like other companies out there. Instead, they should make romances matter.

I personally would have liked to romance Carth or Canderous with my male Revan, but I'm just a little bitter.
:P:P

I could see hate sex. xD Carth bi? YES. Too bad, haha.

[Royal Archer]

If we must have openly ******/bisexual characters in a medieval world, then can they at least all be playersexual, so that it can be left to the player's discretion? (except in cases like Sebastian -- it makes sense that only a female Hawke could romance him. The others you could at least somewhat believe.)

For example; if I have a male Hawke who romances Merrill and/or Isabela exclusively, then Fenris and Anders are both heterosexuals in my game. It is fine for someone else to pursue same-sex romances, but it doesn't take place in my game. . therefore I don't view those characters as bisexual simply because the option is presented. Obviously I understand characters that are actually sexually explorative/immoral (based on your point of view), like Isabela and Zevran, but characters like Leliana or Fenris should definitely be left to the player's discretion. (which they really were, and I like that)

So, in my game it doesn't take place and in your game it does. Everyone's happy, and we don't have to restrict a video game character to something unnecessarily "realistic."

Modifié par Royal Archer, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:16 .

[Hellion Rex]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Just saying, some romances have made a game and/or it's characters much better. Like, KotOR, for instance. The romances made sense and were generally well-liked.

Removing them entirely removes a large part of Bioware characterization. Like, Zevran, for instance, gains so much from his romance if done a certain way. Merrill? Not so much.

EDIT: Not a large part, actually, for all chars. Just some that were done right.

All I'm saying is, romances that matter have been, or at least were, a Bioware staple. Removing them is just making Bioware more like other companies out there. Instead, they should make romances matter.

I personally would have liked to romance Carth or Canderous with my male Revan, but I'm just a little bitter.
:P:P

I could see hate sex. xD Carth bi? YES. Too bad, haha.

Hush, you! :pinched:

[d4eaming]

Royal Archer wrote...

If we must have openly ******/bisexual characters in a medieval world, then can they at least all be playersexual, so that it can be left to the player's discretion? (except in cases like Sebastian -- it makes sense that only a female Hawke could romance him. The others you could at least somewhat believe.)

For example; if I have a male Hawke who romances Merrill and/or Isabela exclusively, then Fenris and Anders are both heterosexuals in my game. It is fine for someone else to pursue same-sex romances, but it doesn't take place in my game. . therefore I don't view those characters as bisexual simply because the option is presented. Obviously I understand characters that are actually sexually explorative/immoral (based on your point of view), like Isabela and Zevran, but characters like Leliana or Fenris should definitely be left to the player's discretion. (which they really were, and I like that)

So, in my game it doesn't take place and in your game it does. Everyone's happy, and we don't have to restrict a video game character to something unnecessarily "realistic."

Levelheaded and openminded. Me likee.

[Eterna]

daveliam wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Playersexual is probably the best option. Don't give them defined sexualities, your sexuality doesn't define who you are anyways. If your inquisitor is gay, the person who you are going after will also be gay in that playthrough. In another playthrough the same character could be straight if you picked a girl.

I really don't see why people make this option a big deal. It just means none of the LI have a canon sexuality, that hardly seems like a big deal. 

ive said this from the beginning.  Who says Merrill is bi?  I've never seen an official stance from Bioware (because that would be silly).  She didn't seem bi in my playthrough because I played a male who never flirted with her.  Her sexuality was undefined.  If I would have played a female and romanced her, perhaps she would be lesbian or bi (depending on her comments/actions.  Same thing with Fenris.  We know that he is either bi or straight because he will romance Isabela if Hawke doesn't, but if I play a female character, does he have any s and sex inclination?  No evidence of it, so who knows?  

I don't see why sexuality that is dependent on the PC's playthrough is so bad.  I dot care if Fenris is 'straight ' in your playthrough but 'gay' in mine, so why would you care?  No one has a problem that Harrowmont is King of Orzammar in my playthrough.  That seems like a bigger concern than who Fenris is sleeping with. 

Well you put it better than I could. I don't think any of the characters in DA2 were bi, I think they were player sexual and people just assumed they were all bi which is what led to the comments denying that that it was believeable to hve 4 bisexual companions. 

[sandalisthemaker]

d-boy15 wrote...

personally, I like the direction of ME3 but whatever... player never enough with their option anyway.
throw in 5:2 exclusive option for them, they still want that 2 and complain.

Because it's not equal.

Would you be okay with only one romance option for the sexuality you like your character to be (which also reflects your real life sexuality perhaps) knowing that other people get to have more?  

[WildOrchid]

d-boy15 wrote...

personally, I like the direction of ME3 but whatever... player never enough with their option anyway.
throw in 5:2 exclusive option for them, they still want that 2 and complain.

It's easy for people to not complain when they have more romances pandered to them than just 1 or 2 homosexual.
Let people complain for wanting some fair treatment.

[Hellion Rex]

d4eaming wrote...

Royal Archer wrote...

If we must have openly ******/bisexual characters in a medieval world, then can they at least all be playersexual, so that it can be left to the player's discretion? (except in cases like Sebastian -- it makes sense that only a female Hawke could romance him. The others you could at least somewhat believe.)

For example; if I have a male Hawke who romances Merrill and/or Isabela exclusively, then Fenris and Anders are both heterosexuals in my game. It is fine for someone else to pursue same-sex romances, but it doesn't take place in my game. . therefore I don't view those characters as bisexual simply because the option is presented. Obviously I understand characters that are actually sexually explorative/immoral (based on your point of view), like Isabela and Zevran, but characters like Leliana or Fenris should definitely be left to the player's discretion. (which they really were, and I like that)

So, in my game it doesn't take place and in your game it does. Everyone's happy, and we don't have to restrict a video game character to something unnecessarily "realistic."

Levelheaded and openminded. Me likee.

Agreed. This one speaks truth.

[Lenimph]

canarius wrote...


Hey thats cruel.

 

Yeah well the fact that I couldn't romance Miranda was cruel... 
and Jack, (WHO IS A CONFIRMED BISEXUAL)
and Ashley, 
and Tali.

So yeah it's nice to be on the opposite end for once. 

[Ianamus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

personally, I like the direction of ME3 but whatever... player never enough with their option anyway.
throw in 5:2 exclusive option for them, they still want that 2 and complain.

Because it's not equal.

Would you be okay with only one romance option for the sexuality you like your character to be (which also reflects your real life sexuality perhaps) knowing that other people get to have more?  

Not to mention the two exclusives were not even full party members, only NPC's you could speak to occasionally on the Normandy. Meanwhile the straight LI's, Ashley and Tali, were both full party members member who you could take on missions and fight alongside. 

Not even Female Shepard got as many options as straight male Shepard, no matter what her sexuality was. 

[Potato Cat]

For all male Shepards, there were 9 romance options.
For all female Shepards there were 6 options.
For straight male Shepards there were 7 options
For lesbian Shepards there were 4 options.
For straight female Shepards and gay male Shepards there were 2.

Yeah, ME3 had its romance options down! (Sarcasm)

[d4eaming]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

personally, I like the direction of ME3 but whatever... player never enough with their option anyway.
throw in 5:2 exclusive option for them, they still want that 2 and complain.

Because it's not equal.

Would you be okay with only one romance option for the sexuality you like your character to be (which also reflects your real life sexuality perhaps) knowing that other people get to have more?  

Yeah, this was one of my major disapointments with the ME franchise. No gay option in ME1 or 2 (unless you want to count lesbian by way of Liara- I do, since she is presented as female, some people don't because she is an alien/mongendered species). In ME3, we got our gay male option, one of which could be dead by the time you actually get to the third game.

On the flipside, straight female LIs got shafted too! Three of your options are or can be dead! One of them you lose no matter what you do in ME3 with a very tacked on explanation (STILL BITTER, BIOWARE! You killed Thane!), and one of them could only be romanced IF you romanced him in ME2- and he could still die and not be present in ME3.

I am certainly glad that they did at least try to fix their mistakes (and Garrus will always be my chosen LI on a fem playthrough), but it was also too little/too late at the same time.

So the DA side of BW wants to play it safe and give all sexualities equal representation, I am more than happy with that, and it avoids the royal cluster**** of LI content that the ME franchise had.

edit: ninja'd like three times.

Modifié par d4eaming, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:28 .

[daveliam]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

personally, I like the direction of ME3 but whatever... player never enough with their option anyway.
throw in 5:2 exclusive option for them, they still want that 2 and complain.

Because it's not equal.

Would you be okay with only one romance option for the sexuality you like your character to be (which also reflects your real life sexuality perhaps) knowing that other people get to have more?  

I totally agree with your point about choice but to be fair, s/he did reference ME 3, the only ME game and one of only 2 Bioware games ever, where both male and female players had multiple options for same and opposite gender romance.  I think that game got it pretty much right (outside of the huge skew towards straight male options, because of the 'main demographic' for the game).  Only ME3 and DA 2 gave me a choice for my gay male character.  I think that this is the thing that people aren't understanding.  Until DA 2, I didn't get a choice at all.  There was only one male (if any) for my gay male character to romance if I wanted to explore the romance content.  All I ask for is a choice, just like everyone else.  That's why I don't care which style (ME3 or DA 2 ) tthey got with because either way, we all get a choice.  Which I think is fair.

Modifié par daveliam, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:26 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Because it's not equal.

Would you be okay with only one romance option for the sexuality you like your character to be (which also reflects your real life sexuality perhaps) knowing that other people get to have more?  

Equal? When viewed in regards to percentages of the population it is more than fair.

[Lenimph]

Elfman wrote...

For straight female Shepards and gay male Shepards there were 2.

Yeah, ME3 had its romance options down! (Sarcasm)

 

I thought it was 4... Jacob, Garrus, Kaidan and Thane... 

Modifié par Lenimph, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:27 .

[Mr.House]

Lenimph wrote...

Elfman wrote...

For straight female Shepards and gay male Shepards there were 2.

Yeah, ME3 had its romance options down! (Sarcasm)

 

I thought it was 4... Jacob, Garrus, Kaidan and Thane... 

Jacob and Thane don't count. Least in ME3.

Modifié par Mr.House, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:28 .