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[DarthLaxian]

Hello BSN,

I just had a very disturbing experience on the Forum (in the Dragon Age: Inquisition part of it):

I wrote a posting concerning one of the companion characters (Vivienne to be exact), that spoke out against racial-degradation.

I was using a quote - from "Full Metal Jacket" (Gunnery-Sergeant Hartman
talking about him not caring if recruits are black, hispanic etc. (he
uses racial slurs for the races) and that they are equal to him
(worthless though, because they have not finished recruit training)) -
to make my point.

Now that Quote contains racial slurs - but uses them to make exactly my point: Race does not matter!

Now the nice Moderator deleted my posting because what I was using could be
considered hate speech...sorry, but i find this very disturbing (as i
already said) because i was not (not in any way, shape or form) putting
anyone down (i even added that i would say the quote somewhat different
(to emphasize my point even more)) on the contrary, i was speaking out
against such behaviour...

so please Bioware, have your moderators
read postings, before they flag them down (and delete them!) - even
more if there are a lot of useless postings that offend me (and others)
that are not deleted etc. (no: it seems easier to lock a thread down,
because some people can't discuss things seriously, even if you punish
those who really want to discuss the topic) like those - IMHO stupid -
picture-spamm postings (if some forumites disagree they post pictures
instead of voicing their oppinion like mature adults and even explaining
why)....

well, i feel offeneded by being prosecuted for speaking out and i needed to get this out.

thank you.

greetings LAX

EDIT: Found a writing error
EDIT: Ruined formatting

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 02 septembre 2013 - 02:00 .

[DarthLaxian]

DarthLaxian wrote...

Hello BSN,

I just had a very disturbing experience on the Forum (in the Dragon Age: Inquisition part of it):

I wrote a posting concerning one of the companion characters (Vivienne to be exact), that spoke out against racial-degradation.

I was using a quote - from "Full Metal Jacket" (Gunnery-Sergeant Hartman talking about him not caring if recruits are black, hispanic etc. (he uses racial slurs for the races) and that they are equal to him (worthless though, because they have not finished recruit training)) - to make my point.

Now that Quote contains racial slurs - but uses them to make exactly my point: Race does not matter!

Now the nice Moderator deleted my posting because what I was using could be considered hate speech...sorry, but i find this very disturbing (as i already said) because i was not (not in any way, shape or form) putting anyone down (i even added that i would say the quote somewhat different (to emphasize my point even more)) on the contrary, i was speaking out against such behaviour...

so please Bioware, have your moderators read postings, before they flag them down (and delete them!) - even more if there are a lot of useless postings that offend me (and others) that are not deleted etc. (no: it seems easier to lock a thread down, because some people can't discuss things seriously, even if you punish those who really want to discuss the topic) like those - IMHO stupid - picture-spamm postings (if some forumites disagree they post pictures instead of voicing their oppinion like mature adults and even explaining why)....

well, i feel offeneded by being prosecuted for speaking out and i needed to get this out.

thank you.

greetings LAX

EDIT: Found a writing error

note: quote instead of edit....AGAIN! (buttons should be at different locations)

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:59 .

[Gorath Alpha]

You are in the wrong place for your critique, and Ermey's character wouldn't have used the cheap language had he actually respected the members of the races involved. The film was set a very long time ago, when predjudices were very common, very strong, and I was personally conscious of my own emotionally charged feelings about some of the minorities that I intellectually wanted to respect, yet found it difficult, myself, when I was where the young recruits were.

[DarthLaxian]

well...

firstly:

where would the right place be (the mod after all didn't really answer my questions etc.)?

secondly:

i never had any racial prejudice (i try to be without any prejudices but it's not easy (i would even say: impossible!)) and IMHO neither does Ermey's character (he didn't treat white recruits any better then blacks, hispanics and the like - he degraded them all, hit them if he thought that was what's needed, but that was common in the US-Marines (and many other armies) of that time!))

i probably don't have prejudices, as i had never really negative experiences involving those minorities (hell, i don't even dislike turks - and i did have negative experiences with them...at least i don't dislike them as a group, i hate certain people from that group, but not the group itself!)

greetings LAX

[Gorath Alpha]

This forum is strictly about using the website; there is an Off-Topic forum that would probably be the more appropriate place to be discussing moderation.   As of this response, I am finished with it. 

Personally, I was very conflicted during the Civil Rights demonstration era here in the states. My parents were predjudiced, although my Mother didn't even realize her attitudes toward non-whites was degrading to them. I spent my childhood in an all-white little town, but it was a California little town, and by comparison, Texas was a veritable Red Neck's reservation when we moved here, and I was exposed to Segregation of everything, including public drinking water fountains.

I was an adult well before the setting for that movie, In fact, I was past serving in the military age before American involvement in Vietnam got so unpleasant and overblown (why we were over there, if not to "win" never made any sense to me at all -- of course, Korea had been the same thing),  and a Republican President had accepted a truce as sufficient.

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 05 septembre 2013 - 02:51 .

[DarthLaxian]

kk - thank you

as for vietnam: you were there to win, but IMHO the US didn't want to risk all to achieve it (they had to consider the cold war (global situation at that time), too etc.) and so winning was not possible!

greetings LAX
ps: you were there because you were bound by promises of support (you would need to help Japan for example, too - if the chinese tried conquering it, otherwise you would lose face globally and no one would trust you anymore (it might even lead to say europe and others start an arms race, because we (i am from germany) would no longer have the promise of US-Aid to (at least partly) base our security on (even if that is cowardly IMHO - but german politicians would not know what to do with an army if we were already shot at (useless pacifists - they don't even want to help out in Syria, where people are dying for freedom from a dictator!)