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[Navasha]

I would think that the state of that the world is in makes a big difference in that as well. The chantry is falling apart. Templars and mages are at all independent and going at each other. A huge tear in the veil is spilling demons across the land. There are probably a half dozen mini-wars between city-states going on.

Having a new organization spring up that has a reputation of going around solving these problems is going to make a lot of people not worry too much about who/what their leader might be.

If your a tiny village being attacked every night by undead, are you going to turn away someone who says they will help just because their being led by someone who doesn't look like you do?

[Reznore57]

mikeymoonshine wrote...



The Inquisition is a powerful force with a powerful army, agents and likeminded people who wan't to put the world right so the approval of other people in Theda's really doesn't mean much at all when it comes to who can be in charge.

The only question that Bioware needs to answer is how on earth did a Qunari, an elf, a dwarf or a mage get that job? 

You don't build a powerful army easily and without help.
You need support otherwise you end up in a rebel group/terrorist organisation.
In Thedas , humans have power .Qunari are threatening it.No one cares about elves .And Dwarves are just interested in money.
The Inquisition is wearing chantry symbolism (yeah they came before the Chantry but it was 1000 years ago....do you think people remember that?) .
To put a qunari/mage/dwarves/elf in head of this is madness , because it will close a lot of doors .
But that's what going to happen because it's a game , and Story is less important than gameplay sometimes.
The writers are going to make it work more or less  ...
But it's like Skyrim when you play an High ELf and join the storm cloak , makes little sense but you can make it work with a bit of glue and smoke and mirrors.

[Para Pett]

Ziggeh wrote...

That's the important thing here. We're saying that it can't work because we haven't thought of a way it would. Which is not a problem with the game.

It's a concern, certainly, something worth discussing, but to suggest it very definitely cannot work on that basis is fairly flawed.

Exactly, it's a problem with 'our' imagination.

 I love speculation just as much as the next person, but no one can criticise Bioware for something we don't understand.  Once they are ready to reveal the information, then I'll look forward to discussing it to death.  Till then, I'm going to look forward to playing as a Qunari, or if possible, a female Qunari 

[Applepie_Svk]

JasonPogo wrote...


....Thedas don't care if they are Qunari or Tal-Vashoth.  They don't even know the difference.

as much as betwen the blood mage and mage... people are ignorant, deal with it...

[Para Pett]

Reznore57 wrote...

You don't build a powerful army easily and without help.
You need support otherwise you end up in a rebel group/terrorist organisation.

You do something to prove yourself and help them, they then help you back.  Or you know, help them without offering first and show that you willing to do what needs to be done to save as many lives as possible.  If you turn someone away help because of the way they look, or what race they belong to, then you deserve to get your ass whooped.

Reznore57 wrote...
In Thedas , humans have power .Qunari are threatening it.No one cares about elves .And Dwarves are just interested in money.

Times change and power changes with it, nothing lasts for ever.

Reznore57 wrote...
The Inquisition is wearing chantry symbolism (yeah they came before the Chantry but it was 1000 years ago....do you think people remember that?) 

By that, do you think in another 1000 years, people will remember that the Chantry (if it's still around) had that symbol before The Inquisition?  All it takes for one power to take a symbol, make it their own, and then do something with it for everyone to then assoicate it with them.  It's got to start at some point.

Reznore57 wrote...
To put a qunari/mage/dwarves/elf in head of this is madness , because it will close a lot of doors .
But that's what going to happen because it's a game , and Story is less important than gameplay sometimes.
The writers are going to make it work more or less  ... 

It's not madness just because you can't think up a vaild reason for any of those to become the leader of The Inquistion.  Admitedly, I can't either, but it's not my job to do it, nor do I have the imagination for it either.

Reznore57 wrote...
But it's like Skyrim when you play an High ELf and join the storm cloak , makes little sense but you can make it work with a bit of glue and smoke and mirrors.

Yeah, I can't argue with that one :innocent:

[Ianamus]

Even orphan doesn't make sense to me. Women and children just don't leave Par Vollen of Seheron, period. Unless one was taken as a slave by the Tevinter imperium and somehow ended up in Orlais/Ferelden.

I think It's far more likely we're part of a different group of Qunari, like the ones who settled beyond the Kocari wilds, leading to the creation of the first Ogres.

Modifié par EJ107, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:08 .

[Ziggeh]

beefcake 85 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...
But it's like Skyrim when you play an High ELf and join the storm cloak , makes little sense but you can make it work with a bit of glue and smoke and mirrors.

Yeah, I can't argue with that one :innocent:

I can - not all high elves are the same. I'm a human. We are both mammailian bipeds who descend from apes. Does that mean I think the same way you do, and have the same ideology? 

[Mornmagor]

Guys relax, we don't even know where our Qunari PC came from.

I wouldn't jump so much for lore reasons, there are always ways to create new lore, or have windows in it, so things like this can happen.

Someone who willingy left the Qun could work if he was found by a Mage for example, and had proper training. Like Morrigan had with Flemeth.

And who said you're not a former Saarebas? Not all of them are mute, some do not abuse their power and thus, do not lose their tongues.

Another option, you are from a different place all together.

Really, sky is the limit for imagination.

I think the guys that invented the lore in the first place, know more about it than us.

Modifié par Kuroi Kishin, 02 septembre 2013 - 01:16 .

[Reznore57]

beefcake 85 wrote...

Times change and power changes with it, nothing lasts for ever.

Oh I know , but still most of the power is going to come from human.
In the video most of your soldiers were humans.

It's like Alistair wedding as a king ...if you're dwarf, elf , or mage .
He won't marry you.Because it's a stupid idea .He would loose a lot of support.

So unless the Inquisitor is a very special snowflakes with special power so he /she's the one , ( and I don't really like this) it's a bit ...weak story wise to have all the races.

On the other hand , sometimes those type of challenges give birth to  a lot of good creativity.
So maybe the story is going to be fantastic.I don't know ^^

[mikeymoonshine]

Reznore57 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...



The Inquisition is a powerful force with a powerful army, agents and likeminded people who wan't to put the world right so the approval of other people in Theda's really doesn't mean much at all when it comes to who can be in charge.

The only question that Bioware needs to answer is how on earth did a Qunari, an elf, a dwarf or a mage get that job? 

You don't build a powerful army easily and without help.
You need support otherwise you end up in a rebel group/terrorist organisation.
In Thedas , humans have power .Qunari are threatening it.No one cares about elves .And Dwarves are just interested in money.
The Inquisition is wearing chantry symbolism (yeah they came before the Chantry but it was 1000 years ago....do you think people remember that?) .
To put a qunari/mage/dwarves/elf in head of this is madness , because it will close a lot of doors .
But that's what going to happen because it's a game , and Story is less important than gameplay sometimes.
The writers are going to make it work more or less  ...
But it's like Skyrim when you play an High ELf and join the storm cloak , makes little sense but you can make it work with a bit of glue and smoke and mirrors.

That's actually a very good point actually but unlikely doesn't mean it wouldn't work and is never gonna happen because sometimes unlikely things do happen and unlikely leaders do exist. 

So I am not sure but I think we get our army through other characters, Cassandra has her seekers, It has been hinted that vivienne has an army of sorts as well. 

We also have to remember that there are Tal-Vashoth mercenaries all over Thedas so there has to be some level of acceptance there even if there is allot of racism and mistrust. 

We also have to understand the nature of the Inquisition, They are a Rebel group of sorts, They no longer have their pro chantry anti mage viewpoint either. It seems like all the Inquisition stands for is returning Order to Thedas. The templars, The Wardens, The chantry and the circle are all in turmoil and not in a position to stand up in order or to really stand against the inquisition that effectivly. 

I just don't see this massive Qunari Inquisitor lore wall that others see, everything is changeing and anything could happen at this point (or almost anything) 

[mikeymoonshine]

Ziggeh wrote...

beefcake 85 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...
But it's like Skyrim when you play an High ELf and join the storm cloak , makes little sense but you can make it work with a bit of glue and smoke and mirrors.

Yeah, I can't argue with that one :innocent:

I can - not all high elves are the same. I'm a human. We are both mammailian bipeds who descend from apes. Does that mean I think the same way you do, and have the same ideology? 

Plus you are the Dragonborn, I think in the final Battle Ulfric Shouts that it was the support of the Dragonborn who won him the war. I think both tullius and ulfric view you as a powerful asset and little more or less. 

[Beerfish]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

-sigh- Yeah lets just pretend the writers are absolute morons. Who frequently attempt to eat ice cream with their forehead. I mean it's not like they created the world or anything. They totally need us to remind them to let stuff make sense. Silly, silly writers.

No this is a silly  comment.  If they just plop a quanri into the game and do not make it SUBSTANTIALLY different than the oither race chocies that is a problem.

[Beerfish]

Medhia Nox wrote...

You know - when the giant Qunari that I saved from the cage in Lothering was traveling around with me - I didn't face any mobs of hateful people who wanted to kill him.

Or - those Qunari I met in Kirkwall. While they kept to themselves - and certainly there were factions that DID hate and fear them - most people just went about their day.

And that is just what some are afraid of.  That they will ignore all of these implcations like they did in he previous games.

[Amirit]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

As for how you were over simplifying it. A good example is how you easily digard the idea of a Tal-Vashoth Mage because they would be untrained. How do you know that? Yes that's probably the case for most Tal-Vashoth mages but there are many ways your character could have been trained and still be a Tal-Vashoth mage. 

You can't just read out some Lore and then say "so that can't happen" Thats over simplifying! 

Gues, I had to underline that part - I did not assumed it, I took it from the Wiki. Here:
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Tal-Vashoth

... they're not really popular since they lack proper training ...

Also:

The Tal-Vashoth aren't a group, and there is no organized Tal-Vashoth culture.  

The lore sais there is not such thing as "Tal-Vashoth faction". I would go so far as to say - there is no such thing as Tal-Vashot sattlement (or we would get a culture and that people would find a name for themselves finally). Where else, HOW can a sain dutiful free-minded Qunary-Inquisitor appeare?

Modifié par Amirit, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:03 .

[mikeymoonshine]

Amirit wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

As for how you were over simplifying it. A good example is how you easily digard the idea of a Tal-Vashoth Mage because they would be untrained. How do you know that? Yes that's probably the case for most Tal-Vashoth mages but there are many ways your character could have been trained and still be a Tal-Vashoth mage. 

You can't just read out some Lore and then say "so that can't happen" Thats over simplifying! 

Gues, I had to underline that part - I did not assumed it, I took it from the Wiki. Here:
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Tal-Vashoth

... they're not really popular since they lack proper training ...

Also:

The Tal-Vashoth aren't a group, and there is no organized Tal-Vashoth culture.  

The lore sais there is not such thing as "Tal-Vashoth faction". I would go so far as to say - there is no such thing as Tal-Vashot sattlement (or we would get a culture and that people would find a name for themselves finally). Where else, HOW can a sain dutiful free-minded Qunary-Inquisitor appeare?

When I accused you of assuming I was referring your assumption that I was I was simply lumping all non humans and mages into one basket, That is not what I was doing I was just pointing out that it would be a problem for all of them (especially mages I would actually equal that to a qunari)

When I asked How you knew that a Tal-Vashoth mage would not be traned I meant that you were ignoring any character who differed from a normal Tal-Vashoth. 

Maybe this Tal-Vashoth found some apostate to train him/her. Maybe he/she was traned by a Tal-Vashoth who was once a follower of the Qun but escaped somehow,Maybe they were forced into joining a circle. 

Just because something is usally one way does not mean it is always that way. 

Also as there is no such thing as a Tal-vashoth faction or settlement (which I am sure there is somewhere) then how do you know what our Tal-Vashoth character will be like? how does this fact cause them to not be sain dutiful and free minded? 

Modifié par mikeymoonshine, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:17 .

[Eagle Pusuit]

It appears that some Qunari were captured by the Tevinter Imperium during that war and were enslaved. Presumably, their descendants are still slaves, which would explain how a Qunari/Kossith could be raised outside of the Qun. And as with Fenris, perhaps some Magister had this Kossith trained with arms or magic in order to serve as a bodyguard or gladiator. Later this grey giant found his or her freedom and eventually came to lead the Inquisition.

[Karlone123]

I'm willing to risk a bit of lore damage if I get to play as a Qunari. I'm selfish like that.

[fiveforchaos]

Amirit wrote...


The lore sais there is not such thing as "Tal-Vashoth faction". I would go so far as to say - there is no such thing as Tal-Vashot sattlement (or we would get a culture and that people would find a name for themselves finally). Where else, HOW can a sain dutiful free-minded Qunary-Inquisitor appeare?

Wait a second, I'm a little bit confused, perhaps I'm getting the lore wrong entirely but... I thought the "Fog Warriors" Fenris stayed with were a group of Kossith/ex-Qunari warrior monks who taught him to speak the language. Or am I getting the story entirely wrong?

Modifié par fiveforchaos, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[Shadow Fox]

Bethesda breaks/tweaks it's lore all the time that doesn't bother me so neither will this.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:35 .

[Cimeas]

They're just average Kossith Tal-Vashoth, but since Gaider has apparently decreed (in order to maximise confusion) that Qunari is both a race and a belief (so one can be Qunari but not Qunari, and not Qunari but Qunari) people get confused.   And now Kossith doesn't exist any more for some reason, but OK.

Why, David? Why?

Modifié par Cimeas, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:53 .

[TheCreeper]

Actually reading The world of thedas, Qunari!Inquisitor of any class being a former/escaped slave Tevinter would fit.

[Ziggeh]

Faerunner wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

You know - when the giant Qunari that I saved from the cage in Lothering was traveling around with me - I didn't face any mobs of hateful people who wanted to kill him.

Or - those Qunari I met in Kirkwall. While they kept to themselves - and certainly there were factions that DID hate and fear them - most people just went about their day.

And that is just what some are afraid of.  That they will ignore all of these implcations like they did in he previous games.

?

I hope you're not serious. The lore from previous games has established that, while people are a little wary of grey giants (God, why is there no word for the race specifically and not the religion-culture???), they don't suddenly fly into a panic or throw every weapon within arm's reach at the mere sight of them.

It's not exactly "lore-breaking" for people to take a grey giant mostly in stride when almost every Andrastian we've seen so far has done just that.

I'm hoping to christ that was sarcasm. They're using headcanon as evidence against canon. Glorious either way really.

[AmRMa]

In Exile wrote...

DA:O handwaved the race of the Warden for the most part, even when blatant racism should have gotten in the way. Why would the game treat a qunari any different?

I hope Bioware creates a more reactive plot than DA:O. But if they don't, it isn't as if there isn't precedent for the handwaving, and the fanbase seemed OK with it. 

There was a precedent for dwarves and elves being Wardens. Also the fact that you were an elf, dwarf, mage, or woman was mentioned. (a couple of times)

Modifié par AmRMa, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[Regan Cousland]

@Faerunner

The lore from previous games has established that, while people are a little wary of grey giants (God, why is there no word for the race specifically and not the religion-culture???), they don't suddenly fly into a panic or throw every weapon within arm's reach at the mere sight of them.

It's not exactly "lore-breaking" for people to take a grey giant mostly in stride when almost every Andrastian we've seen so far has done just that.

Lol. Just call them qunari. It's obvious that you're referring to the "grey giants" most of the time. And I support the word "kossith" where it makes one's point more clearly. The people who can't see how useful the word is are like blinkered religious zealots themselves.

Modifié par Regan Cousland, 02 septembre 2013 - 06:29 .