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[Eterna]

Reznore57 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Okay but it makes your point moot. If a Dalish Elf can determine the outcome of political battles during a crisis why can't a Qunari? 

Because when you get your position as a warden , you're just a foot soldier.
You're supposed to fight the Blight and die of the taint one day.
That's why no one care about your race.
But events puts you in a position where you hold some power .( and again people get to vote , and you have a royal bastard.)

In Inquisition , you're leading an army .You're the big boss ...you build up your power ...You're not even ally with the Chantry ...
I mean the warden have been saving the world for a long time and things seems way more complicated for them than for the Inquisition.

It makes little sense.

It probably will when we get the game , but sometimes when you bend story too much for gameplay reason ( and I think the qunari race is a good decision , the idea is fun) it shows.
Like the whole Hawke being an apostate can only really work if you don't look too close.

What if the Inquisition is seen in the same way the Grey Wardens are? Instead of battling the blight they instead battle the Veil Tears. 

And lets not be koi here, the Warden did command armies, that is why you can call upon them in the final battle. And last I checked, my Dwarven Warden was never an ally of the chantry either. 

[Accipitrifa]

TheCreeper wrote...

Imagine if it was like a Female Qunari Blood Mage.  They are the most vilified and looked down a person can possibly be, and that's only becaused Qunari/Elf hybrids do not exist. And yet they still save the world from itself.

This is actually what I was planning on playing as!

[Lord Gremlin]

testytest wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Imagine if it was like a Female Qunari Blood Mage.  They are the most vilified and looked down a person can possibly be, and that's only becaused Qunari/Elf hybrids do not exist. And yet they still save the world from itself.

This is actually what I was planning on playing as!

Same here! Wow, great minds think alike.
But really, people in Thedas are very familiar with horned giants who defect from the Qun and offer themselves for hire as mercenaries.
People may not like you, but let's be honest you'd be forcing stuff on them anyway. You burn a few peasants and suddenly others are willing to provide supplies for "the Inquisition". Them peasants are mighty scared of fireballs.
Of course, playing as a bloodmage summoning demons makes you the true evil, but still sorting out the demon mess that is happening would make sense for your benefit. Those are wild demons, not controlled by you, and they're trying to get your junk.
That reminds me of Jade Empire. Where you can become the big evil guy and outpace the main villain. So damn satisfying.

[Amirit]

Shadobald wrote...

It appears that some Qunari were captured by the Tevinter Imperium during that war and were enslaved. Presumably, their descendants are still slaves, which would explain how a Qunari/Kossith could be raised outside of the Qun. And as with Fenris, perhaps some Magister had this Kossith trained with arms or magic in order to serve as a bodyguard or gladiator. Later this grey giant found his or her freedom and eventually came to lead the Inquisition.

Sounds logical enough to me. Not less (even more) than a cliche-orphan. The only convinience of orphan in that case is an explained luck of accent (if our Inquisitor came from Tevinter). But then again - Fenris did not have anyaccent, why should some Kossith?

There is also a problem of training (for any class). Our Iquisitor is a skilled warrior. The only way you can be a grown up skilled warrior of Kossith is either be a typical Tal-Vashoth or rased like one by someone else. In the first case you can not be a woman (remember Sten? Or DA2 Qunary?) unless you are from Ben Hassrath (thank you, Tallis, for the first lore-bending of Qunary history).

You know, that Tevinter-slave looks more and more attractive every minute.

[Fredward]

Beerfish wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...
-sigh- Yeah lets just pretend the writers are absolute morons. Who frequently attempt to eat ice cream with their forehead. I mean it's not like they created the world or anything. They totally need us to remind them to let stuff make sense. Silly, silly writers.

No this is a silly  comment.  If they just plop a quanri into the game and do not make it SUBSTANTIALLY different than the oither race chocies that is a problem.

And you get to be the arbiter of "significant?" I'll go ahead and assume every race will have a different backstory. I'll also assume you'll get different comments and maybe even a coupla different ways to resolve quests based on your race. Maybe even unlock a few if we're lucky. But the important part here is the BACKSTORY. If that is satisfactory then I'd be happy. Which is what people seem to assume the devs are incapable of doing. They are incapable of coming up with a plausible reason for a Qunari leading the Inquisition even though it is THEIR WORLD and they wouldn't have allowed a Qunari to be playable if they thought it would be ludicrously incongruous.

Seriously dude, it doesn't even make sense to think like that. It's insulting. It's like walking into a carpenter of 20 years' shop and going "Remember to cut with the grain though!" I actually have no idea whether you're actually supposed to cut with the grain or not, but you get the point.

Is everyone going to think the reason is plausible enough for their own little picture of the world? No of course not. But you'd think the writers get to decide exactly where to draw that line.

[ImperatorMortis]

 I'm gonna be playing a female qunari mage.. 

Whether its hate or admiration, people damn well better pay attention me. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 03 septembre 2013 - 11:24 .

[SuperSitzkrieg]

I like to think that the qunari would start out in the city that the veil is torn in and is about to be executed for heresy. Then some events happen. And boom inquisitor.

[animedreamer]

JasonPogo wrote...

Again I say I know all that but it dose not matter. The people of Thedas will not see the difference. To them every Kossith in a Qunari. It will get old if your main character has to explain to everyone who and what they really are...

You don't seem to consider the fact that all those humans, elves and dwarves who are following this potential Kossith Inquistor might help sway the opinion of others who might view them as hostile or dangerous? I mean, I'll spare you real life comparisons, but its safe to say the realm of fantasy is far more flexible than reality.

Modifié par animedreamer, 13 septembre 2013 - 11:46 .

[Gill Kaiser]

My Qunari will win over any sceptics with the force of her titanic personality.

[Former_Fiend]

JasonPogo wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

 OP... Read this...http://dragonage.wik...iki/Tal-Vashoth

Yeah that dose not change the fact that ALL of Thedas is still going to hate you if you are 7 feet tall and have horns.  The people of Thedas don't care if they are Qunari or Tal-Vashoth.  They don't even know the difference.

Let them hate me, so long as they fear me. They will fall in line, or they will simply fall.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I just had a thought....perhaps we don't play Qunari or Tal-vashoth.  Perhaps we play kossith, like a rebel faction that never converted to the qun, or second- or third-gen tal-vasatho who took up the old ways.

[Bigdoser]

Curse you bioware curse you I was set on elf mage but then you had to make Qunari/kossith a race option curse you so much.

Now I can't decide, I most likely go qunari mage for the most OH **** reactions in the story. Plus I wonder if the joke if they rub their heads on tree's to scratch themselves when they have an itch will be in the game.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Bigdoser wrote...

Curse you bioware curse you I was set on elf mage but then you had to make Qunari/kossith a race option curse you so much.

Now I can't decide, I most likely go qunari mage for the most OH **** reactions in the story. Plus I wonder if the joke if they rub their heads on tree's to scratch themselves when they have an itch will be in the game.

That could be party banter, Iron Bull asking Varric from one of Bianca's bolts.

Although I think I read that they have no sensation to them.  I know they don't grow back, hence why tal-vashoth and saarabas having them removed sends such a clear massage. 

Me, I wonder why the arishok's grow so large and the rest don't.  Do they have a growth spurt if they become arishok?  Or was he just always like that?

Modifié par Clockwork_Wings, 15 septembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[sky_captain]

Oh look it's another "let's complain and argue before we really know one way or another," threads. Have fun guys.

[animedreamer]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Curse you bioware curse you I was set on elf mage but then you had to make Qunari/kossith a race option curse you so much.

Now I can't decide, I most likely go qunari mage for the most OH **** reactions in the story. Plus I wonder if the joke if they rub their heads on tree's to scratch themselves when they have an itch will be in the game.

That could be party banter, Iron Bull asking Varric from one of Bianca's bolts.

Although I think I read that they have no sensation to them.  I know they don't grow back, hence why tal-vashoth and saarabas having them removed sends such a clear massage. 

Me, I wonder why the arishok's grow so large and the rest don't.  Do they have a growth spurt if they become arishok?  Or was he just always like that?

They mention that the Tamassran decide what a Kossiths role will be at a young age, him having such magnificent horns probably made him stand out and was a clear sign of his potential physical superiority to the others and thus was groomed for the role of Arishok.

Modifié par animedreamer, 15 septembre 2013 - 04:51 .

[Former_Fiend]

animedreamer wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Curse you bioware curse you I was set on elf mage but then you had to make Qunari/kossith a race option curse you so much.

Now I can't decide, I most likely go qunari mage for the most OH **** reactions in the story. Plus I wonder if the joke if they rub their heads on tree's to scratch themselves when they have an itch will be in the game.

That could be party banter, Iron Bull asking Varric from one of Bianca's bolts.

Although I think I read that they have no sensation to them.  I know they don't grow back, hence why tal-vashoth and saarabas having them removed sends such a clear massage. 

Me, I wonder why the arishok's grow so large and the rest don't.  Do they have a growth spurt if they become arishok?  Or was he just always like that?

They mention that the Ben Hassroth? decide what a Kossith role will be at a young age, him having such magnificent horns probably made him stand out and was a clear sign of his potential physical superiority to the others and thus was groomed for the role of Arishok.

Qunari consider a lack of horns to be a physically impressive, intimidating sign. I'd imagine Iron Bull and Arishok having such large horns actually makes them look less badass to other qunari.

[animedreamer]

Former_Fiend wrote...

animedreamer wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Curse you bioware curse you I was set on elf mage but then you had to make Qunari/kossith a race option curse you so much.

Now I can't decide, I most likely go qunari mage for the most OH **** reactions in the story. Plus I wonder if the joke if they rub their heads on tree's to scratch themselves when they have an itch will be in the game.

That could be party banter, Iron Bull asking Varric from one of Bianca's bolts.

Although I think I read that they have no sensation to them.  I know they don't grow back, hence why tal-vashoth and saarabas having them removed sends such a clear massage. 

Me, I wonder why the arishok's grow so large and the rest don't.  Do they have a growth spurt if they become arishok?  Or was he just always like that?

They mention that the Ben Hassroth? decide what a Kossith role will be at a young age, him having such magnificent horns probably made him stand out and was a clear sign of his potential physical superiority to the others and thus was groomed for the role of Arishok.

Qunari consider a lack of horns to be a physically impressive, intimidating sign. I'd imagine Iron Bull and Arishok having such large horns actually makes them look less badass to other qunari.

Well thats possible, IMHO I think they meant intimidating in the sense that they are going against the norm of their society. Like a person who has a spiked mohawk and lots of facial piercings is rather intimidating looking because it's so far out there that it bucks the normal view of what is considered well normal in most western societies. .. same for the Kossith and the shaving or breaking of their horns. It's intimidating because you dared to go against the norm. 

Im also coloring the Kossith with a splash of animal like traits, as Antler and horn bearing creatures tend to find larger sets of horns as a sign of strength and or maturity. 

Modifié par animedreamer, 15 septembre 2013 - 04:56 .

[Clockwork_Wings]

animedreamer wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

animedreamer wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Curse you bioware curse you I was set on elf mage but then you had to make Qunari/kossith a race option curse you so much.

Now I can't decide, I most likely go qunari mage for the most OH **** reactions in the story. Plus I wonder if the joke if they rub their heads on tree's to scratch themselves when they have an itch will be in the game.

That could be party banter, Iron Bull asking Varric from one of Bianca's bolts.

Although I think I read that they have no sensation to them.  I know they don't grow back, hence why tal-vashoth and saarabas having them removed sends such a clear massage. 

Me, I wonder why the arishok's grow so large and the rest don't.  Do they have a growth spurt if they become arishok?  Or was he just always like that?

They mention that the Ben Hassroth? decide what a Kossith role will be at a young age, him having such magnificent horns probably made him stand out and was a clear sign of his potential physical superiority to the others and thus was groomed for the role of Arishok.

Qunari consider a lack of horns to be a physically impressive, intimidating sign. I'd imagine Iron Bull and Arishok having such large horns actually makes them look less badass to other qunari.

Well thats possible, IMHO I think they meant intimidating in the sense that they are going against the norm of their society. Like a person who has a spiked mohawk and lots of facial piercings is rather intimidating looking because it's so far out there that it bucks the normal view of what is considered well normal in most western societies. .. same for the Kossith and the shaving or breaking of their horns. It's intimidating because you dared to go against the norm. 

Im also coloring the Kossith with a splash of animal like traits, as Antler and horn bearing creatures tend to find larger sets of horns as a sign of strength and or maturity. 

Perhaps largr horns are a sign of strength, while no horns at all are a mark of destiny?
Otherwise, perhaps showing that one with such large horns made it to such a strong position is a mark of his awesomeness.  Sort of like if we found out Fargo from Eureka is actually a marine. 

If I'm not mistaken, the Irish Elk is thought to have died out because the antlers sapped to calcium from the rest of the body.  Perhaps that's why qunari think no horns are neat?

Modifié par Clockwork_Wings, 15 septembre 2013 - 02:55 .

[Lluthren]

The difficulty will just make playing one that much more fun, op.
Don't listen to Qunari wizard and get mind blasted against the wall.

[Afro_Explosion]

The Inquisition doesn't answer to chantry authority and can apoint anyone qunari included

[Jaulen]

What I think I'm wondering at this point, more than how someone of a certain RACE becomes the inquisitor, is how ANYONE becomes the Inquisitor in the first place.....

An organization that hasn't existsed for 1000 years, how do they find out about it and ressurect it?