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[McFlurry598]

 Artistic Integrity has become a hot topic since the ending of Mass Effect 3. Many fans of the Mass Effect franchise felt slighted by it’s less than happy ending. Though BioWare was receptive to the fan campaign to get the ending changed going so far as to release DLC which modified and extended the multiple ending options, they stuck to their guns. The argument made by BioWare for Artistic Integrity poses an interesting question, can video games be considered art?

Merriam Webster defines art as “the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced”. This can certainly be applied to video games as the gaming industry thrives on technological skill and creativity. If the goal of art is to make the viewer or reader feel something, good or bad, then the anger of fans post-Mass Effect would indicate that video games are steadily forging a place in the art world.

Modifié par McFlurry598, 02 septembre 2013 - 04:02 .

[dreamgazer]

This discussion is never pretty. Good luck, OP.

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

This discussion is never pretty. Good luck, OP.

^

I've been in too many arguments about this already.  I'll just grab the popcorn and see the same arguments pop up.

Also.




















LIMBO. 

[Steelcan]

it doesn't matter.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Video games can be art but Mass Effect in particular I've always considered it commercial art. It doesn't really exist to make a statement or express a viewpoint. It provides a few ideas to consider but doesn't explore them much detail, you'd get a similar effect picking random sci-fi related topics out of a hat and asking the audience to discuss. That's my 2 cents, I'll leave it at that.

[o Ventus]

Yes. Literally anything that has ever been created by anybody, ever, can be considered art.

[Slayer299]

Yeah, like this won't be getting ugly any time soon, right OP?

[The Night Mammoth]

For a game, sure.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

It's art. It isn't "high art," though, which hardly any games are.

[KaiserShep]

I do consider it art.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

StreetMagic wrote...

All creativity is art. Even the crappy punk songs I strum on my guitar are "Art". But for the most part, I relegate Mass Effect as just a fun pastime/entertainment version of art. It's not like I'm watching some Fellini film or something.

Is it folk punk? I hope it's folk punk. Oh, how I do love me some folk punk!

[NeonFlux117]

Oh yeah it's art. It's meta art, in that it reminds the player ( who is commander shepard in this game) that it's a fictional universe all the while using 4th wall breaks, meta, and symbolism to reveal it's real narrative. Which is meta. And the illusion of control and free will.

this was the 'high concept' stuff Casey Hudson talked about. And it went mostly over the player base's heads. But it's there. And it's brilliant.

Yes, it's art.

[SlottsMachine]

ART!

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

StreetMagic wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

All creativity is art. Even the crappy punk songs I strum on my guitar are "Art". But for the most part, I relegate Mass Effect as just a fun pastime/entertainment version of art. It's not like I'm watching some Fellini film or something.

Is it folk punk? I hope it's folk punk. Oh, how I do love me some folk punk!

All I have is an electric now. My acoustic sucks.. need to save up.

But yeah, I could play some things like that. If you mean, like Mike Ness? Because I worship Mike Ness.

Erm, no. It's more in the vein of Hobo Johnny and the Freight Trains (if you like atrocious vocals) or Andrew Jackson Jihad.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

StreetMagic wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

All creativity is art. Even the crappy punk songs I strum on my guitar are "Art". But for the most part, I relegate Mass Effect as just a fun pastime/entertainment version of art. It's not like I'm watching some Fellini film or something.

Is it folk punk? I hope it's folk punk. Oh, how I do love me some folk punk!

All I have is an electric now. My acoustic sucks.. need to save up.

But yeah, I could play some things like that. If you mean, like Mike Ness? Because I worship Mike Ness.

Erm, no. It's more in the vein of Hobo Johnny and the Freight Trains (if you like atrocious vocals) or Andrew Jackson Jihad.

Had to google it.. Sounds like old Dead Milkmen and Minutemen stuff.

I don't know. Punk is punk.

And "l'punk pour l'punk."

[Wolfva2]

StreetMagic wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

All creativity is art. Even the crappy punk songs I strum on my guitar are "Art". But for the most part, I relegate Mass Effect as just a fun pastime/entertainment version of art. It's not like I'm watching some Fellini film or something.

Is it folk punk? I hope it's folk punk. Oh, how I do love me some folk punk!

All I have is an electric now. My acoustic sucks.. need to save up.

But yeah, I could play some things like that. If you mean, like Mike Ness? Because I worship Mike Ness.

You should write a ME song and toss in a link here; heck, maybe some of the more creative folks could post too and we'd have something like a...a...battlle of the bands here!  Dunno if anyone could beat 'The Commander Shepard Song' by MiracleofSound though....


I dunno if it's 'art'.  I mean, I suppose anything can be called art....but if ANYTHING is art then nothing is.  I consider it a game with some awesomely beautiful scenery, a great sound track, and for the most part entertaining and even thought provoking missions.

[CronoDragoon]

It's art. Mostly when people try to say it isn't, it's in response to someone trying to dismiss criticism on the basis of it being art.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yes it's art. I'm hearing that if an act of creativity invokes a reaction it is art.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 02 septembre 2013 - 04:45 .

[rohanks]

It has artistic merit.

Artistic integrity?.........we must never speak of this again...

[phillip100]

Of course.

[Hey]

so say it is, or even that it isn't. what then?