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[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

An interesting discussion was brought up in the old ME forums in an "is Joker romanceable thread" about the credibility of Joker becoming a pilot and how the control scheme of a spacecraft might work, since the old forums were closed I thought I might bring it up here a a topic for discussion.

Now the reason I find it hard to believe that Joker is a pilot is because of the high level of fitness needed to even be considered for a pilot (this is doubly so in the military) and a kid with brittle bones has no chance of passing the fitness test, hell it sounds like even enough g-force could potentially cause Joker to crack a rib.

Also there is one line that Joker says that really irks me "Uh I dont fly with my feet Commander". Now I cant claim that when we do design and build ships capable of traveling throuh outer space I would know how to pilot them, I know that flying a ship through outer space and flying a plane within Earth's atmosphere would be 2 totally different kettles of fish and I also know that the crew on the normandy takes more inspiration from the Navy than the Air Force but I do have to assume that the controls of a Spacecraft would be slightly similar to an Aircraft with the stick or wheel controling the roll and pitch and foot pedals controling the yaw.

But that is just my opinion on the subject, discuss.

[Bad-Meets-Evil]

Because he's Seth Green.

[dubosedraken]

Yep

[izmirtheastarach]

Bad-Meets-Evil wrote...

Because he's Seth Green.

Agreed.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

It was in the script.

[TheAnima]

Simple: Military restrictions towards being a pilot in the alliance are different than those of certain earth governments, and genetic engineering has helped accelerate fitness to an acceptable level among those that cannot exercise in all conventional ways.



Further, the Normandy and other space crafts may not use any foot operated machinery, the Normandy doubly so because it's based on both Turian and huma design, and we know nothing about how you would pilot a Turian craft.

[Ettecoud]

Isnt part of the reason for you needing to be in peak physical performance to be a pilot in the military due the strain on your body caused by gforce? I cant really see that being an issue 200 years in the future

[Generic User]

It's a Spaceship so it would have it's own artificial gravity, so no big G-forces.

[TheDove]

Its impossible to determine. I think that the pilot has many 'helpers'.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I suppose for a space-pilot it's much more important math and mental prowess (calculation of space coordinates for going in and out of FTL or mass relays) than actual physical manipulation of the ship's controls, cause in space it's much harder to find obstacles or have to maneuver a lot. Then again, combat piloting is another thing entirely, but I guess he gets the help of several copilots in those situations.

[Medhia Nox]

Honestly, it can be anything they want.



One of the interesting concepts from the Mass Effect books (don't read further if you don't want an almost pointless detail) is that windows are added to ships simply for "show". They don't need windows on spacecraft - they're only put in because it boosted morale on earth because people expected windows.



I found that interesting.



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I imagine space craft to be largely automated affairs. The minutae being run by the on board computers (or the new VI in ME2). Sure, the pilot gives commands and can override systems - but by and large the ship is on a kind of permanent auto-pilot.



The ship might run "Average" at all times without someone like Joker running it - but Joker knows all the nuances and can think dynamically (a computer cannot). So, he overrides little "logics systems" that make the ship run smoother than it might on its own.



Just a thought.

[Hathur]

From what I gathered in ME1, nobody knew the in's and outs of the normandy like Joker did. He was a master craftsman in understanding it's specification and capabilities and posessed the knowledge to fly it better than anyone else.

His vast knowledge and comprehension of the prototype ship's abilities was deemed sufficiently worthwhile to make him the pilot, despite his physical limitations.

That, and because it's a small but heart warming aspect to add to the story. Everyone loves to see a character rise above adversity.. Joker is one of those people. While somewhat implausible, his story in ME1 was an uplifting and welcome one I felt.

I immensely look forward to him in ME2 - he's a terrific character (and woefully underused in ME1.)

Modifié par Hathur, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:31 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Plus, that is all going to be fixed in ME2.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

TheAnima wrote...

Simple: Military restrictions towards being a pilot in the alliance are different than those of certain earth governments, and genetic engineering has helped accelerate fitness to an acceptable level among those that cannot exercise in all conventional ways.

Further, the Normandy and other space crafts may not use any foot operated machinery, the Normandy doubly so because it's based on both Turian and huma design, and we know nothing about how you would pilot a Turian craft.

Sure genetic engineering has advanced but it still hasnt advanced enough to help Joker walk without the chance of breaking his legs, thus he is unfit to be a pilot.

It may have Turian designs incorporated into the design but it is still a human ship, thus it would be more logical to incorporate a control scheme that is more suited to humans. Besides unless you can develop a control scheme that responds to mind control the control scheme we have now in most aircraft is the most practical and easy method of control I can think of, I would see no reason to change that. If the Turians had a different control scheme I would think that they could learn a little off us, its not like the Turians are supreme beings that do everything better than humans, we have a lot we can teach each other.

But then again I may be just used to flying using the control scheme we use now, I guess if the Turians were brought up with a different method they would find their system easier too.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:43 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Then again I could just be used to control scheme we use now, if the Turians were brought up using a different system then maybe they would prefer their way too because that is what they are used to.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:53 .

[tommythetomcat]

Pilot school

[Detsu]

I assume that mass effect (lowercase) technology negates gforces almost entirely, and future spaceships are piloted almost entirely by keyboard.

[Schneidend]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Bad-Meets-Evil wrote...

Because he's Seth Green.

Agreed.

You guys forgot "and Seth Green is awesome."

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Honestly, it can be anything they want.

One of the interesting concepts from the Mass Effect books (don't read further if you don't want an almost pointless detail) is that windows are added to ships simply for "show". They don't need windows on spacecraft - they're only put in because it boosted morale on earth because people expected windows.

I found that interesting.

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I imagine space craft to be largely automated affairs. The minutae being run by the on board computers (or the new VI in ME2). Sure, the pilot gives commands and can override systems - but by and large the ship is on a kind of permanent auto-pilot.

The ship might run "Average" at all times without someone like Joker running it - but Joker knows all the nuances and can think dynamically (a computer cannot). So, he overrides little "logics systems" that make the ship run smoother than it might on its own.

Just a thought.

Of course the ship would most likely be on auto pilot when traveling to different systems and the only thing the pilot would have to do is enter the coordinates but I cant Imagine a VI controling the ship in battle and be able to pull off evasive maneuvers like a human can.

[Bad-Meets-Evil]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Pilot school

This too.

[TheAnima]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

TheAnima wrote...

Simple: Military restrictions towards being a pilot in the alliance are different than those of certain earth governments, and genetic engineering has helped accelerate fitness to an acceptable level among those that cannot exercise in all conventional ways.

Further, the Normandy and other space crafts may not use any foot operated machinery, the Normandy doubly so because it's based on both Turian and huma design, and we know nothing about how you would pilot a Turian craft.

Sure genetic engineering has advanced but it still hasnt advanced enough to help Joker walk without the chance of breaking his legs, thus he is unfit to be a pilot.

It may have Turian designs incorporated into the design but it is still a human ship, thus it would be more logical to incorporate a control scheme that is more suited to humans. Besides unless you can develop a control scheme that responds to mind control the control scheme we have now in most aircraft is the most practical and easy method of control I can think of, I would see no reason to change that. If the Turians had a different control scheme I would think that they could learn a little off us, its not like the Turians are supreme beings that do everything better than humans, we have a lot we can teach each other.

But then again I may be just used to flying using the control scheme we use now, I guess if the Turians were brought up with a different method they would find their system easier too.

Sure, we could learn a lot from each other. And the Turians just might have a better control scheme that doesn't use the feet. It's this great leap of logic to think that. Or to think in the past hundred years we developed a similar control scheme.

[Medhia Nox]

And yet, I don't think that the Normandy is really a combat ship. It's a stealth ship.



I agree, nothing compares to a human when it comes to delicate matters such as flying under duress - but what I was trying to get at was, I wonder if Joker isn't doing more 'telling' the ship how to react than he is physically making the ship react.



For example: When I get ME 2, I'll put the disk in and copy it to my hard drive - but the computer is doing the real work. Maybe it's more like that than it is driving a car (where the wheels wouldn't move without my foot on the accelerator, they wouldn't turn without me moving the steering wheel, etc.)

[kcp12]

Wonder why there are no windows on Alliance ships? No need to navigage a spacecraft like an aircraft. Besides onboard VI probably does most of the work.

Modifié par kcp12, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:59 .