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[Schneidend]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Delta426 wrote...

I have to side with GrayBeard on this one.

Beeing almost certaintly the only person who served in the military in this thread I can say this with great authority.

Every position in the military requires 3 things on entrance: Aptitude Test, Physical Fitness Test and a Medical Examination. This is forces wide from an Army Infantryman to a Chairforce Sock Counter (Supply Tech). Unless he developed his condition after the recruitment process was completed, which he didn't, he would simply not be allowed to join the military.

I love centurions .

http://redwing.hutma...m/centurion.htm

Bwahaha! Awesome. I think you've just given me a new favorite page, Gandalf.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Sure genetic engineering has advanced but it still hasnt advanced enough to help Joker walk without the chance of breaking his legs, thus he is unfit to be a pilot..

Well apparently the Alliance didn't think he was unfit, so stop whining about it. It's the future.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Delta426 wrote...

I have to side with GrayBeard on this one.

Beeing almost certaintly the only person who served in the military in this thread I can say this with great authority.

Every position in the military requires 3 things on entrance: Aptitude Test, Physical Fitness Test and a Medical Examination. This is forces wide from an Army Infantryman to a Chairforce Sock Counter (Supply Tech). Unless he developed his condition after the recruitment process was completed, which he didn't, he would simply not be allowed to join the military.

Your ''great authority'' doesn't mean Jack ****. First of all, the Alliance isn't the USA millitary, and secondly, it takes place hundreds of years after the present. Your opinion on the subject is about as relevant as Napoleon Bonaparte's.

[Schneidend]

As to the original question of the thread's title, I would presume he became a pilot by learning how to fly airborne vehicles. Are there OTHER ways to become a pilot I should be made aware of?

[Sialboats]

...because he can type on a shiny holographic keyboard? Seriously, I see no yaw sticks, no footpedals, and no g's beeing pulled on the Normandy/her crew. Piloting seems to be more about the manipulation of many systems at once through a holographic interface more than it is making sure you don't black out or twist your stick the right way. A mental activity, keeping yourself focused on the countless systems before you and manipulating them properly, than a physical one.

I'd like to think piloting would be comperable to playing three different FPS's at the same time, and ranking first at the end of each match.

Modifié par Sialboats, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:34 .

[RyuKazuha]

The alliance is essentially a starfleet, so i don't think you can apply the medical standards of the US or any other known army onto their protocol, as they are all based on the conditions Earth dictates us.



In an environment, where gravities role is reduced to almost nothing, given the fact that E-= is able to manipulate it "at will", there'd be no reason no to make a talented individual a pilot. Honestly, if it wasn't for the physical stress, caused when flying an aircraft, there'd be no major reason to don't let someone fly as long as his mental condition is alright.

But G-Forces (and other of their kind) just tend to kill any individual, that is not fit enough, so it'd be hilarious to give someone like that an Aircraft and presumably lose both. Joker is only a pilot and trained to fly a ship within constant artificial gravity (or none at all, since ag is turned of in battle) nothing more, so all he needs to be able to, is flying said ship under said conditions and he obviously is.

[Captain Jazz]

I'm more bothered by the way all the characters turn and walk away before they actually finish speaking to-





Also, even it's been covered (I wanna get my say in, damnit!), while manual pitch, yaw and roll controls may be the most efficient tools when you're flying a shiny brick through the atmosphere at a couple of hundred km/h with a decent number of visual cues (I assume..) to get your bearings from, when you're flying a shiny office block in a frictionless environment at a couple of thousand km/s (around 3x10^6 of 'em) with absolutely zero visual cues, since you've passed it by the time you see anything... ummm hell no.

Get a twitch in your left leg and you're flying straight through Betelgeuse before you know it and... well, the captain tends to disapprove about those sorts of mistakes. Keyboard controls plz.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

SwobyJ wrote...

Delta426 wrote...

I have to side with GrayBeard on this one.

Beeing almost certaintly the only person who served in the military in this thread I can say this with great authority.

Every position in the military requires 3 things on entrance: Aptitude Test, Physical Fitness Test and a Medical Examination. This is forces wide from an Army Infantryman to a Chairforce Sock Counter (Supply Tech). Unless he developed his condition after the recruitment process was completed, which he didn't, he would simply not be allowed to join the military.

....but not in the FUTUREEeeee. 


But really, his dialogue actually explains his circumstances quite wel...oh wait, this thread was started by Gandalf the Fabulous, whatever.

Ah you call me troll now but wait till you play ME2 and you will see the wisdom behind my words.

2 armours for every Shepard and no Tali romance for anyone. (well technically you can get 6 armours but thats only through pre-orders and collectors editions)

[Itkovian]

Regardless of how exactly piloting a starship is done in ME, by having a brittle-boned pilot the implication are that:



1- Alliance starships are not controlled with rudder pedals.

2- G-forces are not a concern on Alliance starships.



Since nothing contradicts these two points in the material we've seen so far, then there is nothing bizarre or inconsistent in having Joker as a pilot.

Itkovian

[klossen4]

I say magic.

[KBGeller]

Generic User wrote...

It's a Spaceship so it would have it's own artificial gravity, so no big G-forces.

It is impossible to "make" gravity without an exceptionally large mass or without constant rotational spin. Any belief that it is, (atleast on how I understand physics) is pure science fiction.

However, accepting that there is some "magical device", you must also realize that the people are always standing and there isn't exactly any seating either. Especially seating designed to halt sudden movement (say, stopping a jet in moments or even the decel from FTL travel). So, there is more behind the scenes than we know and as such you can assume something is there to keep his bones from snapping like twigs.

Modifié par KBGeller, 19 janvier 2010 - 02:27 .

[brunomalta]

Duh! He uses an Xbox 360 Control Pad. Just like you will on ME 2!

[Inarai]

KBGeller wrote...

Generic User wrote...

It's a Spaceship so it would have it's own artificial gravity, so no big G-forces.

It is impossible to "make" gravity without an exceptionally large mass or without constant rotational spin. Any belief that it is, (atleast on how I understand physics) is pure science fiction.

Unless you found a way to counteract the effect of gravitation.

For example, some theories state that gravitation is an effect caused by what is known as virtual particles.  In this concept, all that would be needed is a way to counteract their influence, perhaps though mass effect technology.

And clearly, in the universe of ME, gravity can be manipulated.  See:  Singularity.  Manipulations of mass are, as I understand it, how the mass relays are explained to work.

[rines]

There would be no g-force changes, if you havn't noticed, on the SSV Normandy, THERE IS SIMULATED GRAVITY.

[Lord Jaric]

KBGeller wrote...

It is impossible to "make" gravity without an exceptionally large mass or without constant rotational spin. Any belief that it is, (atleast on how I understand physics) is pure science fiction.

you do realize that Mass Effect is a sci-fi, right.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Itkovian wrote...

Regardless of how exactly piloting a starship is done in ME, by having a brittle-boned pilot the implication are that:

1- Alliance starships are not controlled with rudder pedals.
2- G-forces are not a concern on Alliance starships.

Since nothing contradicts these two points in the material we've seen so far, then there is nothing bizarre or inconsistent in having Joker as a pilot.
Itkovian

Apart from the fact that the military requires candidates to be in good physical condition and pass a fitness test that Joker certainly couldnt pass.

[Rip504]

He flew a ship???

[It IS Lupus]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

An interesting discussion was brought up in the old ME forums in an "is Joker romanceable thread" about the credibility of Joker becoming a pilot and how the control scheme of a spacecraft might work, since the old forums were closed I thought I might bring it up here a a topic for discussion.

Now the reason I find it hard to believe that Joker is a pilot is because of the high level of fitness needed to even be considered for a pilot (this is doubly so in the military) and a kid with brittle bones has no chance of passing the fitness test, hell it sounds like even enough g-force could potentially cause Joker to crack a rib.

Also there is one line that Joker says that really irks me "Uh I dont fly with my feet Commander". Now I cant claim that when we do design and build ships capable of traveling throuh outer space I would know how to pilot them, I know that flying a ship through outer space and flying a plane within Earth's atmosphere would be 2 totally different kettles of fish and I also know that the crew on the normandy takes more inspiration from the Navy than the Air Force but I do have to assume that the controls of a Spacecraft would be slightly similar to an Aircraft with the stick or wheel controling the roll and pitch and foot pedals controling the yaw.

But that is just my opinion on the subject, discuss.

because, Inertial Dampeners. nuff said. dont know what they are. google it.

[Burningwolf]

Waivers and such exist for that.Bet you ass waivers are given out even today when there is need.



Lots of way's to make **** happen in the military that would make your head spin.Normal circumstances? yes,He probabally wouldn't have gotten far in the military a prodigy fly boy though?

Who knows exactly how Joker got noticed.But someone of import most likely did and put a word in for him.



BUT you overlook the one thing that debunks your claims.Joker IS physically fit to do the job he has to do.They wanted the *best* person for the job.Joker has the seat.

[Delta426]

Massadonious wrote...

Today's military maybe. But this is some fictional future military in a video game. I'm pretty sure it doesn't conform to the same rules.

In today's military EVERY position requires a physical test, even the ones that don't require physical labor. Why would this change? Especially in a military that goes as far as genetic augmentation.

Itkovian wrote...

Regardless of how exactly piloting a starship is done in ME, by having a brittle-boned pilot the implication are that:

G-forces are not a concern on Alliance starships.

/Puts on centurian Helmet/
Artificial gravity is fine and dandy until it FAILS like oh I dont know may be in battle, DUH! Your ship takes a few hits and you have to cut power from the grav generator to keep life support online. Your brittle boned pilot is now SOL.

[GnusmasTHX]

KBGeller wrote...

Generic User wrote...

It's a Spaceship so it would have it's own artificial gravity, so no big G-forces.

It is impossible to "make" gravity without an exceptionally large mass or without constant rotational spin. Any belief that it is, (atleast on how I understand physics) is pure science fiction.

I'm sure since half the game is defying and manipulating gravity and physics they'll find a way.

[Burningwolf]

Humm...

Because Gov'ner/Senator/ other leader pulls a few strings?

He might have needed help with initially getting in.But remember he left his peers in the dust.



Always an exception to every rule.Remember that.

[Arrtis]

I heard he went to flight school worked his ass off and became really good through practice.