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[Pedro Costa]

There is a lot of discontentment due to BioWare's latest two games, no "silver bullet" will erase that. Add to it the reputation EA has gained over the years, from the EA spouse scandal to micro-transactions/dlc/marketing/etc shenanigans, and the result is that many consumers become wary.
A reputation takes a long time to build, but only one miss-hap to destroy.
As far as I'm concerned, I sincerely hope BioWare can come through with DA:I. I loved Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, DA:O, ME1 &2, I liked their worlds, characters, stories and player agency, but if DA:I becomes just another disappointment, hey, it's not like there aren't any other games around.

As far as MP goes, I once defended that BioWare should not, under any circumstance even think of adding it to ME3 and it turned out that ME3's MP became the _sole_ reason I didn't turn my copy in.

[Thomas Andresen]

Morocco Mole wrote...

But you do need to stick to your guns and not give money to publishers like Gearbox who will rip you off and lie to your face.

Then that's what you should be doing. Talk with your wallet. Don't rampage all over the internet like a rabid mongrel.

Talk with your money. That's how you make businesses listen to you. If then it turns out the majority agrees with you, then the company will loose money. If the company ends up not loosing money, then the reality is that you're part of an insignificant minority.

[Zanallen]

Bioware should, like always, just make the game they want to make. If some people refuse to play that game for X reasons, then screw them. Bioware certainly can't please everybody and shouldn't try to do so. If Bioware feels that it can make a satisfying MP mode that doesn't detract from the SP, they can go right ahead and do it. If Bioware wants to release a Day One DLC because they couldn't finish whatever content before the main game went gold and had to cut it for DLC, so be it. If Bioware doesn't want to support the half baked modding of people without a toolkit, oh well.

[Pedro Costa]

Thomas Andresen wrote...
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cjones91 wrote...
The point is it's better to be vocal than to remain silent out of fear that your complaints would lose the approval of others.

Not when there's no good reason be "vocal" in the first place.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. For instance, if I say I created a cure for cancer, sold it as a cure for cancer and it only cures a mild cold, then any people who bought said vaccine would have no good reason to be "vocal" about my statements? Is that your argument?
Or because it's a video game suddenly consumers are forbidden of calling out developers on disingenuous allegations?

[Steelcan]

BioWare will not escape criticism until they deliver.

DA:I seems to be shaping up nicely, but its going to take A LOT more to make up for the damage BioWare has sustained.

[Urazz]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Even multi-player is fine as long as it no way affects the single player experience. How I want to play ME3 but don't wont to spend hours in multi-player for the galactic readiness bs.

like Tomb Raider, has multi-player an I have never bothered to try it out. I could just ignore its existence.

I actually say multiplayer is a bad idea.  It adds on to the investment on what EA put into the game and makes it so the game has to sale more copies to even make up for the investment and become profitable.

It's one thing if you design a game series with multiplayer from the start and design it well so people want to play it but it's another when it's more of an afterthought and just a ploy to try to attract players that mainly play multiplayer games.

[Thomas Andresen]

Morocco Mole wrote...

... but this is the internet and that's a given.

This is the worst excuse for anything ever. At best, by subscribing to that attitude, you're an enabler. If it's a given, there's all the more reason to do something about it.

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Not when there's no good reason be "vocal" in the first place.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. For instance, if I say I created a cure for cancer, sold it as a cure for cancer and it only cures a mild cold, then any people who bought said vaccine would have no good reason to be "vocal" about my statements? Is that your argument?

There are so many things wrong with that analogy, I do not even know where to begin.

[Sanunes]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

1) Come out and state there will be zero MP. 
2) No Paid D1DLC 
3) Some level of mod support 

The problem is those really aren't the complaints I am hearing that much anymore so I think if they even bothered to address them it wouldn't make any difference.  Look at the regenerating health thread, people are up in arms because they aren't going to be a full health at the end of a fight because its an outdated mechanic, but its a mechanic that was around the age of the all-powerful Baldur's Gate and that is what people were asking for.

Coming out and saying there won't be multiplayer won't stop a thing, for people are still not believing what BioWare has been showing so far in their pre-alpha video stages.  So if BioWare does say that people will just call them liars and continue to bash multiplayer.

Paid Day 1 DLC is something BioWare does to prevent laying off people when a game is finished.  Personally I rather see paid Day 1 DLC then hearing about people being laid off at BioWare because they finished the game and there isn't a project for them to move to.

I really don't know what mod support will really add to the game if using the percentage I have seen for Skryim (30% of the sales for the PC) I really wonder if enough people would make use of it in Dragon Age to justify the allocation of people to make one.  Anyone that I know that uses a mod in the Bethesda games is to fix bugs in the game and everyone I know that bought Dragon Age: Origins didn't bother modding it at all.

[cjones91]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

But you do need to stick to your guns and not give money to publishers like Gearbox who will rip you off and lie to your face.

Then that's what you should be doing. Talk with your wallet. Don't rampage all over the internet like a rabid mongrel.

Talk with your money. That's how you make businesses listen to you. If then it turns out the majority agrees with you, then the company will loose money. If the company ends up not loosing money, then the reality is that you're part of an insignificant minority.

People should also spread the word so others don't fall for the same lies they did and buy the product.

[Daralii]

Morocco Mole wrote...

We all know that if DA:I gets mod support 99% of the mods will be terrible, naked romance mods or adding erect penises to ogres. With 1%  that are more or less just tweaks anyway.

There will also be hundreds that make Vivienne white.

[cjones91]

As someone who is 50% black I find it a little offensive that people make mods for the sole purpose of making dark skinned characters white.

[Wolfva2]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

But you do need to stick to your guns and not give money to publishers like Gearbox who will rip you off and lie to your face.

Then that's what you should be doing. Talk with your wallet. Don't rampage all over the internet like a rabid mongrel.

Talk with your money. That's how you make businesses listen to you. If then it turns out the majority agrees with you, then the company will loose money. If the company ends up not loosing money, then the reality is that you're part of an insignificant minority.

QFT

So.  A silver bullet to keep fans from complaining.  Well, there is only ONE thing BW can do to keep fans from complaining.  Nuke 'em for orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.  Because no matter how awesome a game they make..no matter how great the voice work or the animation, or background scenery, people WILL find something to kvetch about.

For the record, any 'solution' that anyone comes up with that would 'make the game better' seems...for the most part...to fall into the trap of, "If only they make what *I* want then everyone will love it!"  No.  This is not true.  YOU might love it, but others WILL hate it.  I REALLY wish people would pull their heads out of their arrogance and realize that the world doesn't revolve around what THEY like.

[Steelcan]

cjones91 wrote...

As someone who is 50% black I find it a little offensive that people make mods for the sole purpose of making dark skinned characters white.

Its not canon

[DooomCookie]

1. There will probably be multiplayer, although I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me. It's simply more economical.

2. Day 1 DLC is fine by me. I thought the Stone Prisoner worked well, only charging people playing on used games. It just needs to be decent. The team has to do something while the game proper is going through the post-production works.

3. Mods aren't going to happen. Sad but true. I did love some of the player made missions in DA:O.

[Vicious]

 Then that's what you should be doing. Talk with your wallet. Don't rampage all over the internet like a rabid mongrel.

'nuff said on that. It sure worked on Microsoft with the Xbox One.

[Examurai]

cjones91 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

But you do need to stick to your guns and not give money to publishers like Gearbox who will rip you off and lie to your face.

Then that's what you should be doing. Talk with your wallet. Don't rampage all over the internet like a rabid mongrel.

Talk with your money. That's how you make businesses listen to you. If then it turns out the majority agrees with you, then the company will loose money. If the company ends up not loosing money, then the reality is that you're part of an insignificant minority.

People should also spread the word so others don't fall for the same lies they did and buy the product.

...But what happens if those people don't consider them lies? What happens if they are actually satisfied with the products? It may not be exactly what they thought due to their own personal expections since everyones different but in the end they accept it and are satisfied with it. Like I am satisfied with buying the ME3 CE without any regrets.
It then just becomes an annoyance having people rampage all over forums spouting hate and trying to manipulate(maybe an exaggeration I know...) you to follow their opinions and join the hatewagon because they weren't happy. One of the major reasons "fanboy vs haters" wars exist.

Modifié par Examurai1, 03 septembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Pedro Costa]

Thomas Andresen wrote...
There are so many things wrong with that analogy, I do not even know where to begin.

In what way am I wrong? Extreme as it might be - and I fully acknowledge that - does this analogy not fit the criteria of a creator speaking of its product in a way that wasn't truthful to prospective buyers? Or did I misinterpret your earlier post?

If you are to disagree with my analogy,by all means do, but if you're to bother replying then you could at least be considerate enough to defend your claim, otherwise you're being as irritional as those you're (apparently) condeming; since you're basically complaining about people complaining without at the very least providing arguments as to why it is illogical for those complaining to do so. Not to mention this is a forum, it serves to discuss, not to give off-hand remarks and be done with it.

A bit of a foreword,lest you judge me as a raving lunatic bent on sending death threats to people I do not know: I do condone, heavily, the more childish actions some people took during the da2 and me3 debacles; but I do not think that means no one should voice their discontempt or call out what they perceive to be a marketing campaign based on... not-so-accurate claims, as long as it is done in a civilized manner.
I do not think just voting with your wallet is enough, either. If you ground a child but do not give that child a reason as to why you're grounding them, there is no way for that child to know what - exactly - they did wrong so that they can avoid repeating it in the future.

[phantomrachie]

From what I've heard so far – I think multiplayer will be something to do with the missions the Inquisitor can send agents one and frankly that sounds really cool to me, as long as it was balanced.
Those people who don’t want to play multiplayer could just send their agents out and get a result; those who did want to play could play through the agent mission.

[Fast Jimmy]

Good talk, guys. Good talk.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Sorry, even by marketing standards, it's still greedy and modifying-unfriendly, and Pro-DLC.
Graphic and Gameplay wise, it's a thumb up.
Story and Plot wise we don't know yet.

[cjones91]

Examurai1 wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

But you do need to stick to your guns and not give money to publishers like Gearbox who will rip you off and lie to your face.

Then that's what you should be doing. Talk with your wallet. Don't rampage all over the internet like a rabid mongrel.

Talk with your money. That's how you make businesses listen to you. If then it turns out the majority agrees with you, then the company will loose money. If the company ends up not loosing money, then the reality is that you're part of an insignificant minority.

People should also spread the word so others don't fall for the same lies they did and buy the product.

...But what happens if those people don't consider them lies? What happens if they are actually satisfied with the products? It may not be exactly what they thought due to their own personal expections since everyones different but in the end they accept it and are satisfied with it. Like I am satisfied with buying the ME3 CE without any regrets.
It then just becomes an annoyance having people rampage all over forums spouting hate and trying to manipulate(maybe an exaggeration I know...) you to follow their opinions and join the hatewagon because they weren't happy. One of the major reasons "fanboy vs haters" wars exist.

Think of extremely broken games that were first sold on false pretenses like A:CM and Simcity,how many people bought those games without knowing the problems until it was too late?I'm sorry but anyone who just accepts being lied to is contributing to the problem.