Br3ad wrote...
MrFob wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Yes, they are all machines. That cannot be disputed. They use numbers and math and show the coded respones to this math. They don't really think, they have a simulation of thought. A simulation of life. Your computer can't even claim that.
I'd argue that in the context of the ME universe, you are talking about VIs. AIs can only exist with a quantum blue box. While this box is never entirely explained, the very nature of quantum computing suggests that it introduces an element of probability calculation which goes beyond the predetermined algorithms of today.
Secondly, take a look at this. Makes me wonder how long the idea will last that human cognitive abilities, adaptability and even emotions are entirely closed of to our understanding and therefore unreproducible.
It's still math. A lot of math is still math. In organics, emotions are caused by a chemical response to outside stimuli(a very ironic look at what emotions is I know), in synthetics, it's math. It doesn't matter how much, how fast it does it, or what problem they are solving, it's still math, and they only make a reaction as they were pee-programmed to do. If EDI were programmed with the parameters to think that bullets upgrades her software, she would jump right into the line of fire. That response was however not used. In a person, a real live organic, we don't need to be told that bullets are bad. You can teach the brain to ignore pain, but you can never teach it to think that it is a good thing or that it is helpful. The same is not true for somiething that does not feel a negative stimuli from the destruction of their moble platform.
You are having a very simplistic view of what an AI is (again, your are talking mostly about what is described in the ME universe to be a VI).
An AI would have to be designed to be self adapting and self modifying in order to function as a true intelligence. It would learn by iiself and modify it's programming according to outside stimuli (probably without voluntary control probably). The personality of an ME AI is determined by it's quantum blue box, the operation of which is apparently can also not be entirely simulated in conventional hardware, therefore, AIs do have an element that goes beyond their iniial programming (read the codex entry for AIs, they are more than software).
Also, your math argument is exactly why I posted the link above. Math is an abstraction. As you said, our emotions for example are produced as chemical signals to outside stimuli. In fact, to a certain degree, they are also highly reproducible and predictable, and now guess what we use to describe these brain functions in computational neuroscience: Math. It's a description of the processes that happen in the brain, just like it is a description of the electronic processes that happen within a computer. Since we do not know to full extend the math (or any other description) of the processes in the blue box, it is feasible to assume that the processes that lead to true intelligence can not only be produced in a biochemical system but also in a quantum computing environment.
Your programming argument is mute as well. The fact that a human can't be taught the bullets are a good thing is because we learn by experience and the experience of a bullet is the last one we'll have (so no learning). If an AI is created as a self adapting and learning system it will have the same restrictions. Other than that, humans are reprogrammable to quite an enormous extent. There are plenty of incredible real life examples, from brain washing to Stockholm Syndrome, etc., not to mention neurological conditions and ailments that change a persons personality, whether naturally occurring or drug induced. Reprogramming an AI like EDI seems just as difficult (TIM couldn't do it, and neither could the Shep clone). That leads me to believe that her personality is just as stable as a humans.
Br3ad wrote...
EDI still has to be told what is good and what is bad
And a human child does not form moral judgments according to their education and outside influence? EDI was told by Cerberus when they created her. Obviously she had the ability to change her mind on her own.
Of course, there are inconsistencies in the way ME portrays AIs. For example, EDI's body should not be able to function on it's own in the Citadel DLC after it is cut of from the blue box (or it should have changed if the body has it's own). The Mass Effect series unfortunately is not exactly famous for lore consistency but that doesn't change the fact that I the dismissal of the possibility of true artificial intelligence rather narrow minded.
Modifié par MrFob, 05 septembre 2013 - 02:02 .
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The Reapers are stirring up these "inevitable" conflicts themselves, turning their entire philosophy into a self-fufilling prophecy.
