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[rekn2]

Teddie Sage wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

FFS, what dont you people understand about the words "space magic"?

stop bringing physics into this, stop bringing logic into this. the magic wave kills anything "reapery". just leave it at that.

bad plot device is bad.

I think I prefer the term: badly narrated, over space magic. Space magic just doesn't work for me. If the endings were done better, we wouldn't be using that term over and over again to express our frustration. It was just narrated the wrong way for many gamers, like someone else mentioned in the thread, we had to headcanon the rest of the endings. That was quite unfair with the epicness we got from ME1 and ME2's endings. Leaving those endings to our own interpretation just caused even more problems on BSN and on other forums worldwide and it's now impossible for people to agree on what should be the real "happy" ending.

ok, space magic, is refering to something that could never exist.

its as dumb as "essence of a species".

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Teddie Sage wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

FFS, what dont you people understand about the words "space magic"?

stop bringing physics into this, stop bringing logic into this. the magic wave kills anything "reapery". just leave it at that.

bad plot device is bad.

I think I prefer the term: badly narrated, over space magic. Space magic just doesn't work for me. If the endings were done better, we wouldn't be using that term over and over again to express our frustration. It was just narrated the wrong way for many gamers, like someone else mentioned in the thread, we had to headcanon the rest of the endings. That was quite unfair with the epicness we got from ME1 and ME2's endings. Leaving those endings to our own interpretation just caused even more problems on BSN and on other forums worldwide and it's now impossible for people to agree on what should be the real "happy" ending.

Look at Synthesis' explanation.

It's mystic, vitalism, pseudo-science. 'Organic life energy' and 'the essence of who and what you are'. This is stuff that has been disproven and ridiculed by science for centuries.

It's space magic, because it's not science. It goes beyond non-science into non-sense. Control and Destroy and Refuse are badly narrated yes, but Synthesis is plain non-sense and fully deserving of the term 'space magic'.

[Ieldra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Look at Synthesis' explanation.

It's mystic, vitalism, pseudo-science. 'Organic life energy' and 'the essence of who and what you are'. This is stuff that has been disproven and ridiculed by science for centuries.

It's space magic, because it's not science. It goes beyond non-science into non-sense. Control and Destroy and Refuse are badly narrated yes, but Synthesis is plain non-sense and fully deserving of the term 'space magic'.

Exactly. And I consider it adding insult to injury that they wrote things that way on purpose. How I know this? Well, there was a cut version of EDI's CB lines where she speculated that the Reaperization process was "destructive analysis". That made sense. In fact, after I finished ME2, long before I knew about the cut content, I thought about what that nonsense about "essence of the species" could really mean. I thought (and wrote in a post): "OK, the Reapers must need the minds of people, not just the DNA, or they might as well use cell samples, so that process is likely a variant of destructive uploading" That was an explanation which connected nicely with everything else we knew about the Reapers at that time. 

So the ME team had an explanation that made sense and replaced it with nonsense, likely in an attempt to retain some "Reaper mystique". The thing is, if I can come up with an explanation that makes sense, then EDI's explanation can't be a makeshift speculation since she's smarter than I am. Instead, it comes across as wilful nonsense and explicitly evocative of mysticism. Mass Effect - now no more a sci-fi story.

[Wayning_Star]

well, looks as if the destroy crowd (still)cannot figure out why synthesis is canon... weird if you think about it.

According to the catalyst destroy is a futile gesture at best, according to recorded (by the catalyst) history. That's the reason the whole story exists. We can fidget all we want, we destroy the synthetics in the MEU, the reaperships or worse(if possible) will and have returned. see: the intelligence

[Reorte]

Wayning_Star wrote...

well, looks as if the destroy crowd (still)cannot figure out why synthesis is canon... weird if you think about it.

According to the catalyst destroy is a futile gesture at best, according to recorded (by the catalyst) history. That's the reason the whole story exists. We can fidget all we want, we destroy the synthetics in the MEU, the reaperships or worse(if possible) will and have returned. see: the intelligence

That makes no sense whatsoever.

[AlexMBrennan]

Does that surprise you? It's the same "The Bible is infallible word of God because that's what it says in Bible" and that never put off anyone.

Yes, Catalyst did say that Synthesis is inevitable... but like everybody else in fiction or real life he could be lying, mistaken or batsh!t insane.

[YourFleshIsMine]

Wayning_Star wrote...

well, looks as if the destroy crowd (still)cannot figure out why synthesis is canon... weird if you think about it.

According to the catalyst destroy is a futile gesture at best, according to recorded (by the catalyst) history. That's the reason the whole story exists. We can fidget all we want, we destroy the synthetics in the MEU, the reaperships or worse(if possible) will and have returned. see: the intelligence

What I see is that a system was set up with the reapers to cull organics to prevent their destruction....well, their perceived destruction.

The point is that organics have never been completely destroyed so it's all based on an assumption of an elder race who THINK they know the secrets of the universe.

Shepard is the one who proves them wrong. The Reapers are beaten against all odds. The geth were destroyed in the process (as per my choices) and to me destroy is the only way of getting freedom from an outdated principle.

Your assumption is that what you are told is correct. The way I look at it, it has to make sense from my point of view and that's why I chose destroy. The reapers failed and the premise of their existence is flawed as proven by Shepard, therefore they must be destroyed.

How will synthesis be better? Merge organic and machine? Will that stop wars? Will that stop destruction? No, it's a daydream that can so easily go bad just the same. Destroying the reapers brings the responsibility with ourselves where it should be. That is why I chose destruction. If then we fail and all goes to hell, at least we can only blame ourselves. Synthesis is a utopian view, an ideal of sorts. But not a lasting one.

[KaiserShep]

Seems kind of meaningless to tell a soldier that "the peace won't last". Shepard has killed hundreds, or possibly even thousands of people in combat or some other combat-related calamity, so this statement should not really be of any import. Oh, you mean conflict will come back some day? Well, I do have a gun and a warship, after all, and so do a lot of friends of mine. I'd like to see a krogan's response to that prediction.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 septembre 2013 - 10:03 .