Imanol de Tafalla wrote...
To me, the destruction of synthetics in the red ending makes sense. It would prevent another conflict like the Metacon war.
Modifié par iakus, 03 septembre 2013 - 04:10 .
Yes, because before anyone can get out the Reapers kill them. It doesn't stifle creativity, it just directs it based upon the basic nature of sentients to understand things presented to them. The only way to really get rid of all Raeper influence is to revert all civilisations back to their respective 21st century era's just so they can do things on their own, and that's basically erasing thousands of years of unique cultural and technological progress on the arbitrary notion that using technology based upon Reaper technology is a bad thing just because the Reapers are bad.rekn2 wrote...
wright1978 wrote...
jtav wrote...
It's a matter of theme. Remember Sovereign? "You develop along the paths we desire." Reaper tech is presented as something that stifles the innovative spirit of organics, even as it broadens the minds of synthetics. You want to be free? Well, you're going to have to be free of everything.
That's nonsense. There's nothing intrinsic to reaper tech that is stifling. Freedom means being free to take and use whatever tech you want
thats not how its presented. its put forth in the story as being negative. sov explains this to you in me1...you follow our way you get stuck with our way
Relays still explode in synthesis, is this also because it specificly targets Reapers tech? Yeah didn't think so. Geth origin isn't traced back to the Reapers either, and since when where Shep's implants Reaper tech?Eterna5 wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
It's not really sensible. Between the geth, the Reapers, and EDI, it's targetting three very different things. That they're all AI is the only thing they have in common, but how does a wave of energy tell apart AI from... everything else in its wake?
Reaper.
The wave targets husks because they're reaper tech
The Wave targets the Relays because they're reaper tech
The wave targets Reapers because... they're reapers
The wave targets EDi and the Geth because they're Reaper by products
In the original ending the Catalyst even implies that Shepard will also be targeted due to his/hers synthetic parts. Those Synthetic parts are reaper.
Destroy Destroys everything that can tace its origins back to Reapers.
If you believe that, then run to make your computer run 20% faster in 10s flat.If the geth want to move forward as a species after the destruction of the Dyson Sphere all they have to do is make more geth programs. It's not permanent.
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No, it really isn't. Destroy is about survival via the obliteration of your enemies. Survival not just in the physical sense but also of our way of life. A way of life that includes all these nifty toys just lying around. And the obliterated don't get a say in what happens afterwards. We win, we get all the stuff. There's really nothing else to say.jtav wrote...
Destroy is saying, loudly, that you don't need the Reapers.
CrutchCricket wrote...
No, it really isn't. Destroy is about survival via the obliteration of your enemies. Survival not just in the physical sense but also of our way of life. A way of life that includes all these nifty toys just lying around. And the obliterated don't get a say in what happens afterwards. We win, we get all the stuff. There's really nothing else to say.jtav wrote...
Destroy is saying, loudly, that you don't need the Reapers.
Both Destroy and Control are conquest endings through Exactly What It Says On the Tin. Destroy conquers through obliteration, Control through subjucation (roughly). Then there's also the method. If you want to get poetic, Control has you take the power of the gods by becoming one yourself. Destroy on the other hand has you go all Kratos on their ass (at least it would if it didn't "art" all over itself) and when they're all dead, humanity is free to pick up what's left.
CrutchCricket wrote...
No, it really isn't. Destroy is about survival via the obliteration of your enemies. Survival not just in the physical sense but also of our way of life. A way of life that includes all these nifty toys just lying around. And the obliterated don't get a say in what happens afterwards. We win, we get all the stuff. There's really nothing else to say.jtav wrote...
Destroy is saying, loudly, that you don't need the Reapers.
Both Destroy and Control are conquest endings through Exactly What It Says On the Tin. Destroy conquers through obliteration, Control through subjucation (roughly). Then there's also the method. If you want to get poetic, Control has you take the power of the gods by becoming one yourself. Destroy on the other hand has you go all Kratos on their ass (at least it would if it didn't "art" all over itself) and when they're all dead, humanity is free to pick up what's left.
iakus wrote...
CrutchCricket wrote...
No, it really isn't. Destroy is about survival via the obliteration of your enemies. Survival not just in the physical sense but also of our way of life. A way of life that includes all these nifty toys just lying around. And the obliterated don't get a say in what happens afterwards. We win, we get all the stuff. There's really nothing else to say.jtav wrote...
Destroy is saying, loudly, that you don't need the Reapers.
Both Destroy and Control are conquest endings through Exactly What It Says On the Tin. Destroy conquers through obliteration, Control through subjucation (roughly). Then there's also the method. If you want to get poetic, Control has you take the power of the gods by becoming one yourself. Destroy on the other hand has you go all Kratos on their ass (at least it would if it didn't "art" all over itself) and when they're all dead, humanity is free to pick up what's left.
If Destroy said, loudly "we don't need the Reapers" then it would have destroyed the Reapers and the relays without touching the other synthetics.
Instead, in destroying both Reapers and the geth and EDI what it says is "The Reapers are right organics have to exterminate synthetics in order to survive"
your choice determines how the energy of the Crucible is focused. Destroy most definitely targets Reaper code.Greylycantrope wrote...
Relays still explode in synthesis, is this also because it specificly targets Reapers tech? Yeah didn't think so. Geth origin isn't traced back to the Reapers either, and since when where Shep's implants Reaper tech?Eterna5 wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
It's not really sensible. Between the geth, the Reapers, and EDI, it's targetting three very different things. That they're all AI is the only thing they have in common, but how does a wave of energy tell apart AI from... everything else in its wake?
Reaper.
The wave targets husks because they're reaper tech
The Wave targets the Relays because they're reaper tech
The wave targets Reapers because... they're reapers
The wave targets EDi and the Geth because they're Reaper by products
In the original ending the Catalyst even implies that Shepard will also be targeted due to his/hers synthetic parts. Those Synthetic parts are reaper.
Destroy Destroys everything that can tace its origins back to Reapers.
DecCylonus wrote...
iakus wrote...
CrutchCricket wrote...
No, it really isn't. Destroy is about survival via the obliteration of your enemies. Survival not just in the physical sense but also of our way of life. A way of life that includes all these nifty toys just lying around. And the obliterated don't get a say in what happens afterwards. We win, we get all the stuff. There's really nothing else to say.jtav wrote...
Destroy is saying, loudly, that you don't need the Reapers.
Both Destroy and Control are conquest endings through Exactly What It Says On the Tin. Destroy conquers through obliteration, Control through subjucation (roughly). Then there's also the method. If you want to get poetic, Control has you take the power of the gods by becoming one yourself. Destroy on the other hand has you go all Kratos on their ass (at least it would if it didn't "art" all over itself) and when they're all dead, humanity is free to pick up what's left.
If Destroy said, loudly "we don't need the Reapers" then it would have destroyed the Reapers and the relays without touching the other synthetics.
Instead, in destroying both Reapers and the geth and EDI what it says is "The Reapers are right organics have to exterminate synthetics in order to survive"
Except that all synthetics by that point had been "reaper-ized" with Reaper code and possibly other technology. It's as logical for EDI and the Geth to be destroyed as it is for the mass relays. It's just a logical consequence of the story. It doesn't say anything about whether the Catalyst is right or wrong.
Yeah, right. Best stop using fire and the wheel too, can't be too carefulWe do. It's time that you learned that.
We really shouldn't be making synthetics anyway. It's a symptom of a lazy society. They made synthetics because we didn't want to do things. Stop being lazy, but the bag of potato chips down, and change the change the channel with the remote like a real man, instead of telling your VIs to do it.
iakus wrote...
organics have to exterminate synthetics in order to survive
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Yeah, right. Best stop using fire and the wheel too, can't be too carefulWe do. It's time that you learned that.
We really shouldn't be making synthetics anyway. It's a symptom of a lazy society. They made synthetics because we didn't want to do things. Stop being lazy, but the bag of potato chips down, and change the change the channel with the remote like a real man, instead of telling your VIs to do it.
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Br3ad wrote...
We do. It's time that you learned that.
We really shouldn't be making synthetics anyway. It's a symptom of a lazy society. They made synthetics because we didn't want to do things. Stop being lazy, but the bag of potato chips down, and change the change the channel with the remote like a real man, instead of telling your VIs to do it.
Modifié par StreetMagic, 03 septembre 2013 - 07:54 .
Necanor wrote...
iakus wrote...
organics have to exterminate synthetics in order to survive
What's wrong with that?
Modifié par NocturneNight, 03 septembre 2013 - 08:01 .
rekn2 wrote...
wright1978 wrote...
That's nonsense. There's nothing intrinsic to reaper tech that is stifling. Freedom means being free to take and use whatever tech you want
thats not how its presented. its put forth in the story as being negative. sov explains this to you in me1...you follow our way you get stuck with our way
NocturneNight wrote...
Doesn't everyone deserve to live?
Modifié par KaiserShep, 03 septembre 2013 - 08:05 .
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NocturneNight wrote...
Bottom line is that destroying the Geth equals to genocide. I wouldn't want to live knowing I was responsible for the deaths of an entire species.
Everything that's been shown about the non-heretic geth in ME2 and 3 has colored the Geth as a race only interested in their own advancement. In every encounter the Geth has been forwarding and welcoming towards organics. As for their collective intelligence, isn't Legion a good example of a fully sentient and understanding being? Yes he's an advanced prototype, but that is where the Geth would eventually become, reaper code or not.
Doesn't everyone deserve to live?
iakus wrote...
Necanor wrote...
iakus wrote...
organics have to exterminate synthetics in order to survive
What's wrong with that?
Not everyone wants to be Reaper-Lite.
Modifié par Necanor, 03 septembre 2013 - 08:09 .
NocturneNight wrote...
Bottom line is that destroying the Geth equals to genocide. I wouldn't want to live knowing I was responsible for the deaths of an entire species.
StreetMagic wrote...
NocturneNight wrote...
Bottom line is that destroying the Geth equals to genocide. I wouldn't want to live knowing I was responsible for the deaths of an entire species.
Everything that's been shown about the non-heretic geth in ME2 and 3 has colored the Geth as a race only interested in their own advancement. In every encounter the Geth has been forwarding and welcoming towards organics. As for their collective intelligence, isn't Legion a good example of a fully sentient and understanding being? Yes he's an advanced prototype, but that is where the Geth would eventually become, reaper code or not.
Doesn't everyone deserve to live?
They stopped being the Geth if you let Legion upload the code. They're closer to EDI afterwards. They might be a form of life still, but I wouldn't call them the Geth.
It's pretty obvious they were only trying to survive, some Geth even willingly let themselves be shut off because they didn't want to bring harm to their creators.
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