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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The first question:

Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, Miranda, EDI, Tali, Udina, and Legion were all really interesting. There are probably more that I'm not thinking of.

The second question:

None. Because after DA 2 and ME 3's ending, I don't want BioWare doing importable stories or characters anymore. It takes too much time, and they don't have access to the resources to do it properly, leaving critical elements like continuity, or story quality, on the cutting room floor.

I would rather see them dedicate their efforts to a new property, rather than risk further damage to their existing ones.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:10 .

[Lady Sif]

Most interesting: Miranda, Javik, Thane, Jack, Garrus, Ash, and Kaidan
I don't really want to see any of them back. I think the new game should focus on new characters.

[Erez Kristal]

All of them. make it so they don't get older either. this way we will have their models in game. and would save us a lot of work in case we wanted to mod it.

:-).

The game could be like crysis warhead. during the shepard timeline 2183-2186. about whatever bioware wants it to be.

[chessplayer209]

AlanC9 wrote...

chessplayer209 wrote...

Destroy probably won't be canon, because if that was the case the Geth would cease to exist. Don't think Bioware would just wipe all Geth from the Mass Effect universe. Likewise, I can't imagine they'd be ok with just doing away with some other species entirely either, like the Turians or Quarians.

I think they'd rather lose the geth than pay the costs associated with all the other options.

Costs like what? One of the options was for Shepard to just control the Reapers, and basically make the Reapers just ....go away. That ending seemed pretty much perfect to me. Shep had to die for it to take place, but it was a fitting ending anyway - the central theme of Shepard's life was to defeat the Reapers. Nothing wrong with him dieing at that point to accomplish his objective.

Also, keep in mind Legion was Shepard's friend. Remember how mad at the Quarians he got when they were talking about attacking the Geth and experimenting on Legion or something on board the Normandy? Remember how Shepard acknowledges with apprehension during conversations with Legion that him (Shep) doing certain things to the Geth in the past was probably the equivalent of wiping out entire human colonies? Remember how Shepard agonized over the decision of whether to kill the heretics, or have them re-written? After that, and Legion making the ultimate sacrifice to upgrade Geth intelligence, I can't imagine Shepard would consider destroying all Geth... that would mean betraying the dieing wishes of a friend, not to mention his new allies he fought so hard for (Geth).

That's not the thing a Paragon would do, and canon Shepard seems like he's supposed to be the ultimate hero character. It would be fitting that he would chose to sacrifice himself rather than his friends and allies. Thus, the "control" ending makes sense as canon.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 06 septembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[Mathias]

This will never happen since too many people were butthurt by her opinions, but Ashley. Kaiden too obviously.

Other than that if assuming ME4 will be a sequel (it better be), then we can be damn sure we'll see the writer's pet Liara. Wrex might not happen, but Grunt could be a possibility. Garrus is another maybe. We might get some references to characters here and there, but out of all of them Liara is pretty much guaranteed.

[RZIBARA]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

This will never happen since too many people were butthurt by her opinions, but Ashley. Kaiden too obviously.

Hell yes. I want her back too

[Sir DeLoria]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

This will never happen since too many people were butthurt by her opinions, but Ashley. Kaiden too obviously.

Other than that if assuming ME4 will be a sequel (it better be), then we can be damn sure we'll see the writer's pet Liara. Wrex might not happen, but Grunt could be a possibility. Garrus is another maybe. We might get some references to characters here and there, but out of all of them Liara is pretty much guaranteed.

If they don't canonize anything, a sequel is nearly impossible without a few major retcons. Regardless, I doubt we'll see any of our old crewmates again, perhaps for the better.

[RZIBARA]

Necanor wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

This will never happen since too many people were butthurt by her opinions, but Ashley. Kaiden too obviously.

Other than that if assuming ME4 will be a sequel (it better be), then we can be damn sure we'll see the writer's pet Liara. Wrex might not happen, but Grunt could be a possibility. Garrus is another maybe. We might get some references to characters here and there, but out of all of them Liara is pretty much guaranteed.

If they don't canonize anything, a sequel is nearly impossible without a few major retcons. Regardless, I doubt we'll see any of our old crewmates again, perhaps for the better.

In all honesty, the should make a sequel set 100 years after ME3. Most of the characters would be dead by then anyways (Maybe Wrex, Grunt, Aria, and Liara could be alive, but thats it). By this time, most of the galaxy could have repaired itself and the Citadel. 

Destroy (retconning the destruction of all synthetics) would be the canon ending, genophage was cured (could make things more interesting), and peace was made between Quarians and Geth (and please don't change this to a GETH vs QUARIAN thread, because i dont care for arguing right now)

[Sir DeLoria]

RZIBARA wrote...

In all honesty, the should make a sequel set 100 years after ME3. Most of the characters would be dead by then anyways (Maybe Wrex, Grunt, Aria, and Liara could be alive, but thats it). By this time, most of the galaxy could have repaired itself and the Citadel. 

Destroy (retconning the destruction of all synthetics) would be the canon ending, genophage was cured (could make things more interesting), and peace was made between Quarians and Geth (and please don't change this to a GETH vs QUARIAN thread, because i dont care for arguing right now)

Yeah, canonizing an ending and the other major events would work of course. The problem with Rannoch is, that the Geth and the Quarians are probably the two most popular factions in the series and BW will want to please their customers.

Modifié par Necanor, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:14 .

[RZIBARA]

Necanor wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

In all honesty, the should make a sequel set 100 years after ME3. Most of the characters would be dead by then anyways (Maybe Wrex, Grunt, Aria, and Liara could be alive, but thats it). By this time, most of the galaxy could have repaired itself and the Citadel. 

Destroy (retconning the destruction of all synthetics) would be the canon ending, genophage was cured (could make things more interesting), and peace was made between Quarians and Geth (and please don't change this to a GETH vs QUARIAN thread, because i dont care for arguing right now)

Yeah, canonizing an ending and the other major events would work of course. The problem with Rannoch is, that the Geth and the Quarians are probably the two most popular factions in the series and BW will want to please their customers.

and they can fix that easily. Change the Destroy ending so that the Geth weren't killed, and there was peace on Rannoch. 

It's so simple, and realistically, I don't think anyone would be sad about that.

[NeonFlux117]

The most interesting characters in the Games were all from ME2. But most notably Legion and Thane.

Then BioWare killed them.

Never forget BSN. Never forget.


*side note: I always thought Saren was a very compelling and interesting character.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 06 septembre 2013 - 07:42 .

[Han Shot First]

It depends on the timeline.

Personally I think the next game should be a sequel, and set several hundred years after the events of the Shepard trilogy. That would be more than enough time for even High EMS Destroy Shepard to be long dead, explaining why he or she has no role in the story. It would also give the galaxy enough time to repair and rebuild so that settled worlds don't look like post-apocalyptic rubble piles. And finally, it won't stretch suspension of disbelief by having these massive threats to the galaxy arise every few years.

If Bioware went that route and set the next game a few centuries out, I'd be interested in seeing cameos by Matron or Matriarch Liara, Urdnot Clan Leader Grunt, and EDI if Control or Synthesis was chosen.

[Sir DeLoria]

Han Shot First wrote...

It depends on the timeline.

Personally I think the next game should be a sequel, and set several hundred years after the events of the Shepard trilogy. That would be more than enough time for even High EMS Destroy Shepard to be long dead, explaining why he or she has no role in the story. It would also give the galaxy enough time to repair and rebuild so that settled worlds don't look like post-apocalyptic rubble piles. And finally, it won't stretch suspension of disbelief by having these massive threats to the galaxy arise every few years.

If Bioware went that route and set the next game a few centuries out, I'd be interested in seeing cameos by Matron or Matriarch Liara, Urdnot Clan Leader Grunt, and EDI if Control or Synthesis was chosen.

But again they would need to canonize a lot of events and outcomes throughout ME3. I doubt ME4 would be fun with half the races extinct.

[Mcfly616]

Necanor wrote...

But again they would need to canonize a lot of events and outcomes throughout ME3.

not necessarily.

[Iakus]

Shepard and EDI

What do you think the odds are they'll both return?

[Sir DeLoria]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

But again they would need to canonize a lot of events and outcomes throughout ME3.

not necessarily.

Care to clarify? Depending on your choices in ME3 the Krogan, Quarians, Geth, Humans, Elcor, Hanar and Drell can go more or less extinct.

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

But again they would need to canonize a lot of events and outcomes throughout ME3.

not necessarily.

True.

They can go the ME3 route and trivialize your choices too.

[Mcfly616]

Necanor wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

But again they would need to canonize a lot of events and outcomes throughout ME3.

not necessarily.

Care to clarify? Depending on your choices in ME3 the Krogan, Quarians, Geth, Humans, Elcor, Hanar and Drell can go more or less extinct.

your point? It's not like any one species is going to be the sole focus of the narrative.

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

But again they would need to canonize a lot of events and outcomes throughout ME3.

not necessarily.

True.

They can go the ME3 route and trivialize your choices too.

how so?

[Iakus]

By having krogan in teh game when you sabotaged teh cure and let the Cerberus bomb go off
By having geth in the game regardless of your choices on Rannoch or the Destroy ending
By having quarians around regardless of the choice on Rannoch
By having Earth not be a cinder if you choose Low EMS Destroy

By having every galaxy being in the same general state with only minor cosmetic changes regardless of choices made in teh Mass Effect trilogy up to and including the final chocie in ME3

The Mass Effect trilogy demonstrated Bioware can't handle comparatively minor divergences: the deaths of single characters. The selection of a given politician. To save or destroy a particular piece of data. Now we want choices that affect the entire galaxy to carry over into a new game? To attempt it would be laughable.

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

By having krogan in teh game when you sabotaged teh cure and let the Cerberus bomb go off
By having geth in the game regardless of your choices on Rannoch or the Destroy ending
By having quarians around regardless of the choice on Rannoch
By having Earth not be a cinder if you choose Low EMS Destroy

By having every galaxy being in the same general state with only minor cosmetic changes regardless of choices made in teh Mass Effect trilogy up to and including the final chocie in ME3

The Mass Effect trilogy demonstrated Bioware can't handle comparatively minor divergences: the deaths of single characters. The selection of a given politician. To save or destroy a particular piece of data. Now we want choices that affect the entire galaxy to carry over into a new game? To attempt it would be laughable.

who says they would have to do any of the things you listed?


And no other game has tried to do what Mass Effect did, on the level it did it (importing choices). It was ahead of its time. With the the next generation, technology will most likely give them the tools they need to do things that weren't possible before. To realize their vision like never before.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Don't much care about new characters. I have Shepard's perspective. Who else's do I need? It won't be the same, and I won't have the same interest. That's why I don't want new characters.

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

By having krogan in teh game when you sabotaged teh cure and let the Cerberus bomb go off
By having geth in the game regardless of your choices on Rannoch or the Destroy ending
By having quarians around regardless of the choice on Rannoch
By having Earth not be a cinder if you choose Low EMS Destroy

By having every galaxy being in the same general state with only minor cosmetic changes regardless of choices made in teh Mass Effect trilogy up to and including the final chocie in ME3

The Mass Effect trilogy demonstrated Bioware can't handle comparatively minor divergences: the deaths of single characters. The selection of a given politician. To save or destroy a particular piece of data. Now we want choices that affect the entire galaxy to carry over into a new game? To attempt it would be laughable.

who says they would have to do any of the things you listed?

Anyone who made those choices says so.  If someone wiped out the geth, and tehy show up anyway, there will bep*ssed off players.  Remember the rachni in ME3?

And no other game has tried to do what Mass Effect did, on the level it did it (importing choices). It was ahead of its time. With the the next generation, technology will most likely give them the tools they need to do things that weren't possible before. To realize their vision like never before.

Wow.

That's...er...extremely optimistic of you. 

Especially given Bioware's phobia about creating exclusive content.  So I'm going to assume there won't be any krogan squadmates in any game which doesn't canonize certain outcomes.

[enayasoul]

My vote is for MaleShep, Miranda, Oriana, Ashley are the most interesting... wish there was more about them from their past and future.

Modifié par enayasoul, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:03 .

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

By having krogan in teh game when you sabotaged teh cure and let the Cerberus bomb go off
By having geth in the game regardless of your choices on Rannoch or the Destroy ending
By having quarians around regardless of the choice on Rannoch
By having Earth not be a cinder if you choose Low EMS Destroy

By having every galaxy being in the same general state with only minor cosmetic changes regardless of choices made in teh Mass Effect trilogy up to and including the final chocie in ME3

The Mass Effect trilogy demonstrated Bioware can't handle comparatively minor divergences: the deaths of single characters. The selection of a given politician. To save or destroy a particular piece of data. Now we want choices that affect the entire galaxy to carry over into a new game? To attempt it would be laughable.

who says they would have to do any of the things you listed?

Anyone who made those choices says so.  If someone wiped out the geth, and tehy show up anyway, there will bep*ssed off players.  Remember the rachni in ME3?

And no other game has tried to do what Mass Effect did, on the level it did it (importing choices). It was ahead of its time. With the the next generation, technology will most likely give them the tools they need to do things that weren't possible before. To realize their vision like never before.

Wow.

That's...er...extremely optimistic of you. 

Especially given Bioware's phobia about creating exclusive content.  So I'm going to assume there won't be any krogan squadmates in any game which doesn't canonize certain outcomes.

umm if they killed off the Geth, or Krogan then why would they appear in the next game? What makes you think they need to canonize anything? That's my point dude. We've had this discussion before and you still can't grasp the concept that importing our ME3 choices via a Genesis DLC is a possibility.


And it's not optimism. It's common sense. Technology advances. Games are getting more beautiful, bigger, more detail, more possibilities.