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Which DA:O/A/2 companion would you hate to see return in DA:I?


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I really don't want returnees being companions. I am 'cautiously optimistic' about Varric, but tbh I would really rather he not come back if they are give him a personality transplant like they did other 'returning favorites'. Every time they bring back a companion it's been a disappointment to me. So count me in for "I'd hate to see any companion return". If they come in cameos I'd be alright with it (I guess) though Thedas is starting to seem smaller and smaller each time they bring back people.

Two highest ranked on my "Do Not Want" list are Loghain and Anders, only because both are dead in any import I would do. I hear they may be doing a 'select your own import' feature maybe? If that's the case, I'd just put down my favorite playthroughs' specifics and move on from there.

Really the only decisions that would impact a stranger from another country is 1) did you die to slay the archdemon 2) maybe who rules Ferelden and 3) which way did your Hawke go, Templar or Mage?

And maybe not even those decisions mean much the further we move from the Origins story.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 03 septembre 2013 - 03:30 .


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Tallis indeed. If I see her again, I want the opportunity to kill her, or at least foil her plans so thoroughly that she'll remember it for the rest of her life. I don't exactly hate *her*, but except for DA2's combat, I don't think I hate anything in any DA game as much as not being able to foil her plans. She comes across as the writer's pet, at the expense of the protagonist's agency. 

Also, Oghren. I don't exactly hate the idea of him being somwhere in DAI, but I certainly don't want to be forced to deal with him in any way in order to get something significant done.

This is for cameos only. I wouldn't want any one of my old companions back as companions. I do like Varric, but he's far from my favorite and I wouldn't have selected him to be the one, and preferred another interesting new one.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 septembre 2013 - 03:36 .


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Taleroth wrote...

People seem to really dislike Tallis. As someone who has not played Mark of the Assassin, is there a particular reason? Aside from the ghastly attempt to face morph the actress.


Yeah, the face morph thing didn't work out at all, but other then that I thought the character was good.  She had a fairly decent background story (for a dlc story) and had a rather good character build (mechanics wise).  I think the biggest reason she's hated is because of the whole "it's cool to hate things" vibe that is plauging the internet (not just here). 

Though I guess there could be valid reason to dislike her, but I didn't see any myself.  

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Pzykozis wrote...
Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis, Tallis and finally Tallis.


Definitely tallis :sick:

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Despite being one of my favourite characters ever, I have to say Sigrun. All but one of her endings have her dying. This means that if she came back as an important character not only would it be another retcon, but it would ruin the emotional aspect of her death. I would love her to have a cameo that was dependent on her surviving Awakening, though. She's awesome.

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I want all of them to come back! :D

illyrian wrote...

All but one of her endings have her dying. This means that if she came back as an important character not only would it be another retcon, but it would ruin the emotional aspect of her death.


I don't think they ever tell you in the epilogue when  she dies, if she dies. So it's perfectly plausible.

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 03 septembre 2013 - 03:54 .


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Cullen? :D

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Anders. The dude has already shown up twice.

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Oghren's the only one I can think of. Everyone else is either already confirmed to appear, (like Varric), or would add something interesting to the game, even if I dislike them. I think I'm healthier than the rest of BSN in that regard, hating someone, (other than Sarah Jessica Parker), does not mean I want to kill them.

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Oh, and the Warden and Hawke. Their stories are over as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par Elfman, 03 septembre 2013 - 03:59 .


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morrigan, cullen, flemeth, sandal, alistair, OGB(does that count?)..

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Anyone who is dead in my "canon" comes to mind,also I could live without Tallis

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Taleroth wrote...

People seem to really dislike Tallis. As someone who has not played Mark of the Assassin, is there a particular reason? Aside from the ghastly attempt to face morph the actress.

There are a lot of different reasons to dislike a character (although Mr. Gaider blames it all on female jealousy, which is rather unfair).

Speaking only for myself, I dislike her because of how she relates to the Official Campaign (OC) characters. She is never permitted to "lose" a banter. By that, I mean that every banter serves to show how wonderful she is by comparison to the other companions, most of whom are made to look foolish or inept. In the OC, every companion has his or her area of expertise, but in MotA, all give way before Tallis. Isabela is the seductress... everywhere except Chateaux Haine, where every character except Cavrill is bewitched by her beauty (and Cavrill is mocked and belittled for preferring the protagonist). Anders is the healer... but Tallis knows more about healing and antidotes than he does. Varric was universally acknowledged as the master of information, but Tallis's sources are better, and she's far more informed about every custom, culture, and social nuance than our faithful dwarf. Even Hawke gets a chance to be humbled. Rogue Hawke may be able to pick every lock in the rest of the game, but not the one holding their cell shut.

I'm vaguely annoyed by the lack of continuity in her character. She'll wink jauntily at a Crow before she slits his throat, but an hour or two later, she'll be wringing her hands over a dead guard whose job it was to stop intruders. I know why it was done this way. It was a toggle for the MotA's stealth system, but there were more elegant ways to do it. When the door opened, before any guards came into sight, it could have gone down like this:

Tallis: Whew! That was some lock! I don't think anybody heard us, but we won't know for sure until we get inside. How do you want to deal with the guards?
Blue: I'd rather avoid violence if at all possible. We're robbing the place, not conducting a massacre. (stealth mode)
Purple: I thought I'd just make it up as I go. (start out in stealth mode, but failure leads to combat, not reset)
Red: We deal with them. Permanently. (combat mode)

So yeah, there are reasons to dislike Tallis that have nothing to do with female jealousy, even if that's what they're blaming it on. I guess it's easier that way.<_<

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Da2: Sebastian.

The rest? the rest can come.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Tallis indeed. If I see her again, I want the opportunity to kill her, or at least foil her plans so thoroughly that she'll remember it for the rest of her life. I don't exactly hate *her*, but except for DA2's combat, I don't think I hate anything in any DA game as much as not being able to foil her plans. She comes across as the writer's pet, at the expense of the protagonist's agency.  

berelinde wrote...

Speaking only for myself, I dislike her because of how she relates to the Official Campaign (OC) characters. She is never permitted to "lose" a banter. By that, I mean that every banter serves to show how wonderful she is by comparison to the other companions, most of whom are made to look foolish or inept. In the OC, every companion has his or her area of expertise, but in MotA, all give way before Tallis. Isabela is the seductress... everywhere except Chateaux Haine, where every character except Cavrill is bewitched by her beauty (and Cavrill is mocked and belittled for preferring the protagonist). Anders is the healer... but Tallis knows more about healing and antidotes than he does. Varric was universally acknowledged as the master of information, but Tallis's sources are better, and she's far more informed about every custom, culture, and social nuance than our faithful dwarf. Even Hawke gets a chance to be humbled. Rogue Hawke may be able to pick every lock in the rest of the game, but not the one holding their cell shut.


That's worrisome. Thank you both.

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I couldn't stand Velanna.

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Berelinde, I agree, despite the fact I enjoyed the character. She does appear to have some conflict with her attitudes and strictness of the Qun, but those aren't really well explored in MotA, understandable since she wasn't really a full companion, and the biggest flaw she seems to have is having six toes on one foot. A fact that no one reacts to. Not even an "ew" from a snarky Hawke.

The only argument I would disagree with is the better contacts than Varric, She has the Qun on her side after all, and all those 'sleeper agents' in the Ben-Hassrath. And having experienced life as an elf, a Tevinter and a Qunari, she would have a wide knowledge of social customs and cultures, also probably trained by Salit to better perform as a Tallis.

That said, I think her more Mary-Sue qualities fit in with the MotA DLC to an extent. The whole story seems to be crafted for that 'epic' experience from top to bottom. Like Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood storyline, they tried to make it epic but without adding the things that made the DB naturally epic in Oblivion.

So yeah, I like Tallis, wouldn't hate to see her return. But I can understand some of the complaints of the community and why some wouldn't want to see her again.

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@Taleroth: Honestly, I don't expect Tallis to be back as a companion. I could see her returning as a cameo, as a potential adversary or (temporary) ally, or as an actor in some qunari plot, but the devs have to be aware of how problematic companion status would be for her. It would be far easier to start over with a different female elf with less baggage.

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berelinde wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

People seem to really dislike Tallis. As someone who has not played Mark of the Assassin, is there a particular reason? Aside from the ghastly attempt to face morph the actress.

There are a lot of different reasons to dislike a character (although Mr. Gaider blames it all on female jealousy, which is rather unfair).

Speaking only for myself, I dislike her because of how she relates to the Official Campaign (OC) characters. She is never permitted to "lose" a banter. By that, I mean that every banter serves to show how wonderful she is by comparison to the other companions, most of whom are made to look foolish or inept. In the OC, every companion has his or her area of expertise, but in MotA, all give way before Tallis. Isabela is the seductress... everywhere except Chateaux Haine, where every character except Cavrill is bewitched by her beauty (and Cavrill is mocked and belittled for preferring the protagonist). Anders is the healer... but Tallis knows more about healing and antidotes than he does. Varric was universally acknowledged as the master of information, but Tallis's sources are better, and she's far more informed about every custom, culture, and social nuance than our faithful dwarf. Even Hawke gets a chance to be humbled. Rogue Hawke may be able to pick every lock in the rest of the game, but not the one holding their cell shut.

I'm vaguely annoyed by the lack of continuity in her character. She'll wink jauntily at a Crow before she slits his throat, but an hour or two later, she'll be wringing her hands over a dead guard whose job it was to stop intruders. I know why it was done this way. It was a toggle for the MotA's stealth system, but there were more elegant ways to do it. When the door opened, before any guards came into sight, it could have gone down like this:

Tallis: Whew! That was some lock! I don't think anybody heard us, but we won't know for sure until we get inside. How do you want to deal with the guards?
Blue: I'd rather avoid violence if at all possible. We're robbing the place, not conducting a massacre. (stealth mode)
Purple: I thought I'd just make it up as I go. (start out in stealth mode, but failure leads to combat, not reset)
Red: We deal with them. Permanently. (combat mode)

So yeah, there are reasons to dislike Tallis that have nothing to do with female jealousy, even if that's what they're blaming it on. I guess it's easier that way.<_<



This. :?

Merril and Tallis are ew for me. I'd welcome anyone else returning because I loved 99% of the cast from the 2 games.

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Taleroth wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Tallis indeed. If I see her again, I want the opportunity to kill her, or at least foil her plans so thoroughly that she'll remember it for the rest of her life. I don't exactly hate *her*, but except for DA2's combat, I don't think I hate anything in any DA game as much as not being able to foil her plans. She comes across as the writer's pet, at the expense of the protagonist's agency.  

berelinde wrote...

Speaking only for myself, I dislike her because of how she relates to the Official Campaign (OC) characters. She is never permitted to "lose" a banter. By that, I mean that every banter serves to show how wonderful she is by comparison to the other companions, most of whom are made to look foolish or inept. In the OC, every companion has his or her area of expertise, but in MotA, all give way before Tallis. Isabela is the seductress... everywhere except Chateaux Haine, where every character except Cavrill is bewitched by her beauty (and Cavrill is mocked and belittled for preferring the protagonist). Anders is the healer... but Tallis knows more about healing and antidotes than he does. Varric was universally acknowledged as the master of information, but Tallis's sources are better, and she's far more informed about every custom, culture, and social nuance than our faithful dwarf. Even Hawke gets a chance to be humbled. Rogue Hawke may be able to pick every lock in the rest of the game, but not the one holding their cell shut.


That's worrisome. Thank you both.

But do they not do that to some extent with all DLC characters, give them centre stage because thats usually the only time they have a role. No body complained that Wrex was thrust in our faces in the citadel dlc in ME, and it isn't any different from companion quests where whose ever quest it is has the most content. It was the only time we were to see Tallis, I guess they wanted us to get as much out of her as possible.

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berelinde wrote...

@Taleroth: Honestly, I don't expect Tallis to be back as a companion. I could see her returning as a cameo, as a potential adversary or (temporary) ally, or as an actor in some qunari plot, but the devs have to be aware of how problematic companion status would be for her. It would be far easier to start over with a different female elf with less baggage.

I'm less worried about Tallis returning and more about what that might mean generally speaking. The writing in the third act of Dragon Age 2 I could chalk up to the deadline. But if they wrote like that for the DLCs then I see cause to be skeptical of improvement.

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Fenris.

After my first playthrough I always told him to take a hike and he never officially joined my posse.

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Anders. He was overrated in his first appearance and dead by the end of DA2. As a subset, the only way I want to see Justice is if we can undo what Anders did to him then send him back to the Fade.

Modifié par TK514, 03 septembre 2013 - 04:53 .


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Oghren, Fenris and Sebastian most definitely do not want to see.

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Velanna. Egads. I think they were trying to turn her into a fiercely independent woman with a mean racist streak... or at least I hope that was what they were trying to do, because it is depressing to think they actually intended to make her LITERALLY THE ONLY CHARACTER IN DA I WANT TO MURDER (yes, including antagonists).

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Merrill and Isabela for me.