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Is DA:I Bioware's "last chance" for you?


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Morocco Mole wrote...

If you want to ignore the elf you can just look at the boring, brown background textures. The game is just ugly.


Not if you're a UPS-inspired art aficionado!

...but yeah the game is pretty ugly.  Inquisition got it right with the art style and graphics in my opinion.

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

You can also easily notice all the very good background textures, so this picture is just making it obvious that you're cherry-picking a deliberately poor model out of the entire game.


I believe that's actually called "dingleberry-picking."

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That elf isn't even on the level of a character from a PSP game, let alone PS2. Lol.

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Morocco Mole wrote...

dem textures

I think you're greatly exaggerating what a 'very, very bad game' is and
your standards are all willy nilly. Brink is a 'very, very bad game'.
Ride to Hell: Retribution is a 'very, very bad game'. DA2 was, the most
reasonable criticism I can really respect without thinking that someone
is engaging in hyperbole because they had high expectations, a mediocre
Bioware game, which makes it an average-to-decent game.


I had low expectations for DA2 since the beginning. So none of my issues with the game stem from that.

And I rank DA2 with those games. Probably even worse. Since at least Ride to Hell wasn't made by a company that should know better.


Your arguments are stemming entirely from emotional appeals at this juncture if you're going to REALLY tell me with a straight face that Ride to Hell is equal to DA2. You want an obvious alpha? DA2 blows that thing out of the park. Metacritics with DAII being at about 80 while that game is down at 20 makes it quite the leap to say those games are in the same ballpark.

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No.

DA2, while disappointing in many ways(no need to list them), was still an overall good experience for me. The same is true of ME3 -- the only part I didn't like was the very, very end.

I have never played a perfect game, and I doubt I ever will. The key is whether or not I'm having an enjoyable experience most of the time.

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DA2's userscore is 4.3

Unless you mean the professional critics that reviewed it. In which case you should know they all got paid off to give the turd glowing reviews. One magazine even labeling it "rpg of the decade"

Modifié par Morocco Mole, 04 septembre 2013 - 10:38 .


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Seboist wrote...

That elf isn't even on the level of a character from a PSP game, let alone PS2. Lol.


The term used was budget. I've no doubt there are some pretty PS2 games, but the claim here is the worst of the bunch. I'm seeing none of those examples yet, and that's not even mentioning that this is not representitive in the slightest of the game's graphics as a whole, and anyone who claims it is just screwing around.

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number 1 dragon age fan wrote...

NEVER!!, no!! !, bioware can do it i know they can dragon age is sooo special it has such a unique amount of lore and conflict and everything in the world has a place i will NEVER give up on bioware and i will ALWAYS SUPPORT DRAGON AGE


Hello bioware

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Morocco Mole wrote...

It's userscore is 43%.


Still more than double Ride to Hell's userscore which is irrelevant as no-one takes userscores seriously.

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Still more than double Ride to Hell's userscore which is irrelevant as no-one takes userscores seriously.


And no one takes the critic score seriously either. So I don't see why you bothered using it.

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...
The proof is when you make silly statements like 'it looks like a budget PS2 title'. Show me some screenshots, because that is a logically bankrupt assertion.


LOL, so you use a shot that shows ONLY the texture of one of the background "extras"?
Now THAT is intellectually dishonest BS.


Here is MGS3, which had some of the best graphics PS2 could muster.  Notice in particular how blurry and simple the trees are, how little normal mapping there is, how "flat" the lighting is across all surfaces, and how simple and jaggedly polygonal most of the models are:
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...and if you want a BUDGET PS2 game?  You get this:
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Meanwhile, in Kirkwall (right-click view image for full size):
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The detail on the knight on the left alone should really put this ridiculous idea to bed, not to mention things like the cast shadows of the banners on the walls, or the self-shadowing on the underside of Hawke's legs and such.

Modifié par Pauravi, 04 septembre 2013 - 10:46 .


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Morocco Mole wrote...

DA2's userscore is 4.3

Unless you mean the professional critics that reviewed it. In which case you should know they all got paid off to give the turd glowing reviews. One magazine even labeling it "rpg of the decade"


Every single last one of them a completely stone-cold case of bribery? Sure, buddy. You've had your fun with me, but it's clear you're only here to screw with people. Keep it up if you want, but I'm done.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

With many people either being disappointed by SWTOR, DA2 or ME3, I'm just curious how many feel that this is Bioware's last chance to produce a "must buy", a pre-order or limited edition purchase from them. Or is Dragon Age the only series you play? Oooor is DA2 (or those other games, but DA2 is more relevant to DAI) wasn't a disappointment to you at all? This really isn't a thread to bash or praise Bioware, I just want to get a sense of where the fanbase is. 'Cause curiousity and all that.

No. Past is past, it doesn't mean that they can't improve and learn from their mistakes. I'm actually quite happy with SWTOR, just annoyed about bugs (almost every armour has some issues).

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Morocco Mole wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Still more than double Ride to Hell's userscore which is irrelevant as no-one takes userscores seriously.


And no one takes the critic score seriously either. So I don't see why you bothered using it.


lol

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...
Every single last one of them a completely stone-cold case of bribery?


Yes.

Every major game critic that you know is usually bribed by big publishers like EA to give games glowing reviews.  It is probably one of the biggest issues with gaming journalism.

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Still more than double Ride to Hell's userscore which is irrelevant as no-one takes userscores seriously.


And no one takes the critic score seriously either. So I don't see why you bothered using it.


lol


Behold, our bastion of integrity, our beacon in the dark, our noble and impartial game critic.

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Morocco Mole wrote...

And I rank DA2 with those games. Probably even worse.

Hahaha, then I guess your opinion on any given game can be safely disregarded without missing anything that might be considered reasonable.

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Morocco Mole wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
Every single last one of them a completely stone-cold case of bribery?


Yes.

Every major game critic that you know is usually bribed by big publishers like EA to give games glowing reviews.  It is probably one of the biggest issues with gaming journalism.


Ign's DA2 reviewer gave it an 8.5 and later went on to work with Bioware.

Makes one wonder....

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billy the squid wrote...

Behold, our bastion of integrity, our beacon in the dark, our noble and impartial game critic.


You found a guy! Maybe even a couple guys. You're right, every single game critic is a paid-for stooge of the game industry. Let me know when your damning evidence gets you that million-dollar book deal, I'd like ten grand for a Nissan.

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Well,

SWTOR wasn't really a failure because i enjoyed it personally, however it would have been a far better game if they made it a single player game instead of a MMO.

As surprising as it sounds, i really liked DA2, the change of pace in combat really hooked me. The only thing that bothered me was the abusive re-use of environments. But as a whole, great game.

As for ME3, that would be the same as DA2. The only thing that bothered me in this one was the original colored crappy endings, but they fixed that.

I'm really excited about DAI and i already started replaying DAO just to get everything i want to import into DAI.

So, no, it's not Bioware's last chance for me. Ever since Baldur's gate Bioware had my trust and they never lost it. :)

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...
You found a guy! Maybe even a couple guys. You're right, every single game critic is a paid-for stooge of the game industry. Let me know when your damning evidence gets you that million-dollar book deal, I'd like ten grand for a Nissan.


I'd say the damning evidence is DA2's metacritic score.  Only seven bothered to even point out its flaws and give it lower than a 80.

And none of those seven seem to be a major ones anyway.

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Behold, our bastion of integrity, our beacon in the dark, our noble and impartial game critic.


You found a guy! Maybe even a couple guys. You're right, every single game critic is a paid-for stooge of the game industry. Let me know when your damning evidence gets you that million-dollar book deal, I'd like ten grand for a Nissan.


These are the most notable ones, if you're that niave that you haven't grasped what ad revenue means and sponsorship does to independent reviews, well. You're no different than a bought out wh*re.

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billy the squid wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Behold, our bastion of integrity, our beacon in the dark, our noble and impartial game critic.


You found a guy! Maybe even a couple guys. You're right, every single game critic is a paid-for stooge of the game industry. Let me know when your damning evidence gets you that million-dollar book deal, I'd like ten grand for a Nissan.


These are the most notable ones, if you're that niave that you haven't grasped what ad revenue means and sponsorship does to independent reviews, well. You're no different than a bought out wh*re.


Whoah! ****! Gonna bring out the homophobic slurs next? Cut the gradeschool bull****, pal. 

As for reviews, I have no doubt there are some publications that aren't neutral and they deserve to be called out. I never doubted that. What I was dealing with was someone (admittedly an obvious troll at this juncture) who said they were ALL, as in metacritic's critic score is completely bought off (if it were bought off, I'm sure Bioware would've preferred DAII get a 90+ score but I guess EA is too poor for that?) and that RIDE TO HELL: RETRIBUTION is the same quality as DAII. That is patently ridiculous, even if they did rush the game and EA deserves to be crapped on because of that, you are either a troll or ignorant to make that claim.

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Hahaha, then I guess your opinion on any given game can be safely disregarded without missing anything that might be considered reasonable.


Ride to Hell's excuse is that it is a blatant budget title pushed out to make a few quick bucks.

That's probably the same excuse with DA2 but a company like Bioware should really know better. Then again, this is also the same company that made Sonic Chronicles.

Modifié par Morocco Mole, 04 septembre 2013 - 11:09 .


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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Whoah! ****! Gonna bring out the homophobic slurs next? Cut the gradeschool bull****, pal.

That wasn't homophobic at all