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[cjones91]

KR4U55 wrote...

You kidding? ME 3 felt kinda thin and, yeah, the ending wasn't good, but it was a good game. SWToR is fine. Not excelent, not ground breaking, not innovative, it's fine. If I could afford a subscription I'd do it, just to play all the storylines at least once, but I'm a broke college student, so no.

DA2 was... kinda disapointing. The characters were good and the combat was very reactive, but the game was extremely rushed and it was very short, one of the things that hurted the most was the lack of descriptions on items. It's odd for Bioware to deliver such a rushed and thin game, so I know where the blame lies.

I expect DA:I to be a real AAA new generation RPG. Right now, after the hype has cooled down a bit, I can see some points that could have some improvement, but the core is fine.

ME3 was pretty glitchy and had the imfamous 2D civilian textures at the beginning of the game.

[Thunderfox]

Has anyone in this thread actually said yes yet?

[RosaAquafire]

Definitely not my last chance. I haven't had a bad opinion of a Bioware game since they moved away from the D&D ruleset. Absolutely loved DA2 and SWTOR.

[Mecha Elf]

ThunderfoxF wrote...

Has anyone in this thread actually said yes yet?

funny how everywhere other than this thread people seem to scream yes and this is bioware a one and only chance

[MerinTB]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
The ship has sailed for pre-order or must-buy or collector's edition. From BG2 until ME3, every BioWare game I bought I pre-ordered the Collector's Edition (or the like.) After DA2 and ME3, however... no. ME3 was the last chance, and I thought ME3 was going to allay all my fears. Hah.

I still think BioWare is a good game company, and I think they make fine games. But they aren't making "must pre-order collector's edition" games for me anymore. And they were the only company in that category for me.

No, DA:I might be great and make me rethink things, but I'm neither holding my breath nor counting on it. And even if it IS great and makes me rethink, I'm still unlikely to pre-order their game after that.

Not to hop on the debbie downer train, but I can sympathize with this. DA2 was actually my first foray into pre-ordering, EVER, after being a gamer for over two decades. My letdown basically convinced me that the practice of pre-ordering is simply not one that I believe is ever wise. There will always be plenty of those who will play a game the first day and post reviews, both professional and amateur. That's the best way to determine if you should buy a game. 

So, on that hand, I'd have to thank the DA2 team for forever breaking me of the habit. Even if DA:I is amazing, I don't think I'm ever going to be the type that engages in pre-orders/first day buys ever again.

To be clear, if it wasn't already -

I'm not hating on BioWare.  They are still a developer I watch to see what they make, and there are few that I bother with that - it is just I've come down from the shrine on the mountain top and now I just will pause to listen to a traveling monk now and again.

Okay, tortured metaphor there.

[edisnooM]

Hmm, I'm not sure, possibly?

At one time BioWare stood on a pedestal, I had complete trust in their ability to make games and craft stories that I enjoyed, but sadly that is no longer the case.

I mean after ME3 my interest in that series is now done. Casey Hudson heading the new IP doesn't give a great deal of interest in that. And if DA:I ends up being as crushingly disappointing as ME3 was for me than it is entirely possible I won't be purchasing another BioWare game for a very long time.

I would certainly like for the DA team to knock my socks off (figuratively speaking, I would actually prefer to keep them physically on my feet), but if it crashes spectacularly....well time will tell I suppose.

[RepHope]

Nah, I judge each franchise differently. I'm done with the Mass Effect series unless I see a greater emphasis on the RPG and not on EAs grubby little moneymaking schemes and cut corners (less autodialogue, micro transactions, etc).

I'll judge DA by DA games. I'm hesitant about this new IP since Casey and SuperMac are in charge but well see. If it all goes south there's always Obsidian and CD Projekt Red ( Cyberpunk ftw!)

[RaenImrahl]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Still don't understand "last chance" thing. If a game is by all accounts a good game why would you not buy it even after release? Stopping pre-ordering I can see, but swearing off all future games I can't.

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Yeah, that's sort of what I was getting at. If a game is good, then why not get it? But many here seem to be or have been people who pre-order. I was sort of seeing if this was their last chance to keep that good faith.

Actually, for me, DA:I may persuade me to actually pre-order the game... something I swore never to do again.  Got really tired of buggy games being rushed out the door... and not just DAII or ME3.  But since they're taking an extra year on DA:I, we'll see.  But for me, it's not so much a matter of, "was the game good enough to pre-order" but rather, "did the damn thing work right on day one."

[Jackel159357]

I used to preorder bioware games but after ME3 and DA2 being disappointing I will wait to see what the response is like.

[RaenImrahl]

Morocco Mole wrote...

ME3 was decent enough.

Sure as hell not pre-ordering though. But that isn't exclusive to Bioware games anyway though.

Actually, I really, really hope they incentivise digital download instead of pre-order this time around.  I know pre-order sales are part of the numbers game that is the video game industry these days, but it also seems to be vestige of the days when physical discs were needed to play the game... pre-order and get your disc delivered (or pick it up) on day one.  I think the time has come when people are ready to make the leap to digital download.  DA:I would be an excellent title with which to test that thesis, since it's being released on every platform since the Atari 2600. 

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Biotic Sage]

Well let's see, considering the fact I've enjoyed every single Bioware game I've played, I'd have to say no, it's not their "last chance" for me, because they don't have a single strike on my record. My level of enjoyment has certainly varied between games, but that doesn't mean I wasn't satisfied and felt that my money was well-spent. Even my least favorite Bioware game I still liked better than almost every other modern game. From most enjoyed to least enjoyed:
ME2 > DA:O > ME1 > ME3 > KOTOR > DA2 > Jade Empire

[Biotic Sage]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

ME3 was decent enough.

Sure as hell not pre-ordering though. But that isn't exclusive to Bioware games anyway though.

Actually, I really, really hope they incentivise digital download instead of pre-order this time around.  I know pre-order sales are part of the numbers game that is the video game industry these days, but it also seems to be vestige of the days when physical discs were needed to play the game... pre-order and get your disc delivered (or pick it up) on day one.  I think the time has come when people are ready to make the leap to digital download.  DA:I would be an excellent title with which to test that thesis, since it's being released on every platform since the Atari 2600. 

But what about my display cases for ME1-3 and DA1-3 all on the Xbox 360?  I need to complete my collection!

[Biotic Sage]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Boxes will soon go the way of instruction manuals my friend

I'm not saying they won't.  That's why you have to grab 'em while they're hot!

I've got every box/cartridge/instruction manual from all the way back in the NES day.  Don't plan on stoppin until they stop me.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:26 .

[VaticanVice]

I asked myself months ago if I would ever preorder a Bioware game again, and the answer, after lots of wishy-washy back-and-forthing, is yes, definitely.

ME3's ending crushed me. I think I cried for forty-eight hours, I was so angry. But the number of times I cried like a **** prior to the ending is... well, a lot, and those were for the right reasons: real emotional impact, a story that I was deeply invested in, and ultimately a game that I very much enjoyed. DA2 felt rushed as hell--but DA:I is not being rushed. But in the end, I loved both games, and absolutely got my money's worth from them. I've spent a lot--a LOT of time playing both. Even including all the DLC I've purchased, the total cost of those games comes down to pennies per hour of enjoyment for me.

What I'm saying is that, even though Bioware has not proven itself, as an entity, capable of crafting a really good, satisfying ending to a game in recent years, I enjoy the hell out of their games up until the endgame. I remain cautiously optimistic about Inquisition's ending, but even if it's crap, I will continue to purchase Bioware's work, and will continue to enjoy the hell out of it, even if it's not what I expect, even if I hate every ending to every game they produce from now on. What can I say? The stories scratch an itch in me.

[Reofeir]

I really only care for the collectors editions when it comes to boxed titles. Other then that, I don't care much. In fact, most of my new games are all digital on steam or origin. I've only gotten the collectors editions for bioware games as of late.

[Chala]

cjones91 wrote...

KR4U55 wrote...

You kidding? ME 3 felt kinda thin and, yeah, the ending wasn't good, but it was a good game. SWToR is fine. Not excelent, not ground breaking, not innovative, it's fine. If I could afford a subscription I'd do it, just to play all the storylines at least once, but I'm a broke college student, so no.

DA2 was... kinda disapointing. The characters were good and the combat was very reactive, but the game was extremely rushed and it was very short, one of the things that hurted the most was the lack of descriptions on items. It's odd for Bioware to deliver such a rushed and thin game, so I know where the blame lies.

I expect DA:I to be a real AAA new generation RPG. Right now, after the hype has cooled down a bit, I can see some points that could have some improvement, but the core is fine.

ME3 was pretty glitchy and had the imfamous 2D civilian textures at the beginning of the game.

They weren't 2d... They were low-polygon models of Jack

Regarding the thread:
Sorry, but all this stuff of "last chance" is nonsense for me, I've never judged a game by it's developer and I'll never will.
If a game it's good, it's good... And if it's bad, it's bad (I'm really tempted to make a Rocky joke).
End of story.

You shouldn't have blind hate/faith towards a game because it has X logo on it,  these games are made by people and people aren't consistent: One day they fail miserably and the next, they make an incredibly successful product.

Take a look at the so called "all mighty" Rockstar: GTA IV was considered a dissapointment for many players, still, their next sandbox (RDR) is considered one of the best of this gen.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:49 .

[Biotic Sage]

VaticanVice wrote...

What can I say? The stories scratch an itch in me.

Exactly.  And which games from which devs are gonna scratch that itch better?  I'm not saying that there can't be improvements.  Of course there can.  Things can always be made better.  But who besides Bioware has those long, sharp fingernails currently that all of us here seem to crave?  I'm really surprised no one else has really grown theirs out to challenge them.  I guess you could make a case for CD Projekt Red, but to me the Witcher series doesn't hold a candle next to Bioware for what I'm looking for from a customizeable, story-driven RPG.  I don't get the same emotional investment.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:32 .

[Vicious]

 No, because I liked ME3.

[Well]

ArtemisMoons wrote...

Here's a strange idea: People have preferences that may not line up with your own. That doesn't make them less true for that person, as game enjoyment is subjective. Disagreeing is ok. Agreeing is ok. Tada.

Anywho, I believe that DA:I has the potential to be one of the best Bioware games.

Nicely put.Some folks can't understand the concept that people have different opinions than theirs.I didn't think much of DA 2.ME 3 except for the Geth and Krogan portion was the pits.I am still trying to figure out how they had two portions that were just exceptional and the rest lame.SWTOR is like that in ways on the storylines.IA and SI are just superb writing but some of the others are pretty lackluster.Back OT.Will it be the last BW game.I will not preorder as I have done in the past.I will wait for fan reviews.The hard part will be sifting thru the fanboy and haters post.I hope they turn it around.I been a fan since BG 1 first came out.DAO is still the best game imho ever to come out.