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[SlottsMachine]

 Yeah, it never made any sense to me. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I don't know. But TIM didn't need to force me, I know that much.

[Nashtalia]

his......empowerment of Control got the best of him.

[SlottsMachine]

Oh you. I guess it was supposed to be indoctrination, but it kinda goes against everything we know of indoctrination.

[SlottsMachine]

You just shot Anderson, and TIM was like, "I can't believe that worked!"

[Nashtalia]

General Slotts wrote...

Oh you. I guess it was supposed to be indoctrination, but it kinda goes against everything we know of indoctrination.

ah yes, it was odd how he was able to control me...even if i was not indoctrinated, and for some odd reason he was able to make Direct Control of me

*mind-blown*

[Nashtalia]

and to that he was able to put Anderson's body at stress, what is going on

[MassivelyEffective0730]

General Slotts wrote...

You just shot Anderson, and TIM was like, "I can't believe that worked!"

Maybe I wasn't being indoctrinated or controlled....

I mean, my Shepard did willingly allow Anderson to be finished off by TIM.

*headcanon territory*

After this, my Shepard convinces TIM that his vision might be noble and worthwhile, but his actions and methodology with Reaper tech have nigh-doomed humanity by becoming a pawn of the Reapers and undermining the galaxies efforts against them. TIM considers this and comes to the conclusion that the only way to save humanity is to take himself out of the problem.

He dies a hero.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 septembre 2013 - 12:58 .

[Melbella]

After seeing it several times, it looks to me that he uses a little blue puff of biotics to make the gun fire. In that case, controlling Shepard has nothing to do with it.

[Melbella]

If Shepard has already been infected with Reaper nanides, then the proximity of TIM is irrelevant. He can be indoctrinated from light years away whether other people are around or not. It wouldn't happen just because TIM shows up. If he's not infected then indoctrination should not be possible. Perhaps TIM is wearing a new cologne, Eau de Reaper??? Plus, there's still the blue puff.

[Nashtalia]

i'm still perplexed how The Illusive Man was able to control me

[In Exile]

TIM is also an ass quite apart from being indoctrinated.

[Nashtalia]

StreetMagic wrote...

Melbella wrote...

If Shepard has already been infected with Reaper nanides, then the proximity of TIM is irrelevant. He can be indoctrinated from light years away whether other people are around or not. It wouldn't happen just because TIM shows up. If he's not infected then indoctrination should not be possible. Perhaps TIM is wearing a new cologne, Eau de Reaper??? Plus, there's still the blue puff.

Well, I don't have any answers really. I just know it's not nothing either.

I think Priority Earth in general is a mess. That's probably the only answer I can give. It's the product of rewrites and limited time. I know that they had another ending in mind at one point, and the conversation with TIM was going to be more elaborate (with an explicit indicator of TIM gaining control and losing control over you, depending on your dialogue), and Harbinger was going to be the one speaking through TIM. They were also considering some kind of boss fight.

In the end, we got a lot of jumbled ideas that didn't make much sense together, and a confrontation with TIM that relied on the usual Persuasion check stuff.

in the Art of Mass Effect 3? [a ME3 Artbook] there is a piece on TIM that said, that TIM was going to go through a full-on Reaper transformation but instead said something about that a conversation show down was more likely as TIM was a sofisticated man or something of this

Modifié par Nashtalia, 04 septembre 2013 - 01:33 .

[wizardryforever]

I was under the impression that it was an advanced form of biotics that the implants gave him.  Come to think of it, was it ever established that Saren was a biotic in Revelation?  Because he uses biotics in ME1 when fighting Shepard.  Perhaps this is where his biotics came from? 

As for why he does it, it's mostly to illustrate a point.  That if he can force Shepard to shoot Anderson, the one man that has been supportive of you from the get-go and never wavered in that support, then what other things might we accomplish with this power?  Something to that effect.

[General TSAR]

He didn't force me, I took the shot sorry Keith David.

[NeonFlux117]

"preserve Shepard's body if possible"

"neutralize Commander Shepard".

"Focus on Commander Shepard"

"Shepard submit now"

Those are Harbinger Quotes.

How do you think TIM got his powers aboard the citadel?

This is face value of course, that it's real.

Let's run with that. TIM got to the citadel. Then the Citadel was moved to Earth space. Then Shepard gets to the beam and guess who's there to say hi. Are good budy ole' Harby of course. Then Harby is absolutely wrecking everything else and letting Shep and Crew run on down the hill- "preserve Shepards body". Then at some point harby decides to hit a mako right in front of Shepard Shielding him/her from the blast that kills or incapacitates Shepard's squad mates- "And now you stand alone Shepard". "you escaped us before, Shepard, not again". Then after Harby eye balls the Normandy and lets it go- be honest, harby let it go. He then blasts Shepard with a beam. A beam that doesn't kill. Yet we see harby's beams before dropping air support, bulls-eyeing solider, and flipping makos and all in all causing massive death and chaos- Yet this beam, the beam that hits shepard, Doesn't kill. It's manes and wounds and weakens Shepard- "Neurtalize Comander Shepard" "Focus on Shepard" "Preserver Shepard's body if possible".

Then the 3 huskateers and Marauder Shields attack Shepard- cause you know, only 1 medium powered enemy-a marauder and 3 melee scrub/grunt soldiers would protect the beam that could potentially lead to the Reapers demise, lol. ( I mean go back to the missiles right before the ride to the beam run. What you fight what like 10 brutes, 6 banshees, 2 harvesters and a ton of Marauders and husks. And that's just to protect and prevent Shepard from the missile silos) But yet, there's only a Marauder and 3 husks in front of the beam entrance. Lol. Don't you think the Reapers would buff that area. Just in case. JUST IN CASE. Infantry or a small infiltration unit actually made it close enough to the beam? I do. That's what a super, uber, sampient "Infinite" machine would do isn't it?

And why is the beam even open and up and running in the first place? I thought TIM and. AND, the catalyst is already on the citadel? So then Shepard gets controlled by TIM- "Shepard submit now". Then Shep breaks control and gets to float up to the decision chamber and the rest is up to player agency and choice and consequence to decide the game and ending of the "Legendary Commander Shepard" saga and trilogy.

Seems legit.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:24 .

[MegaSovereign]

From TIM's perspective, Anderson represented the stagnation of humanity....

[Xplode441]

Bioware didn't fill the quota of sad moments in the game, so they said **** it Shepard kills Anderson.

[NeonFlux117]

Xplode441 wrote...

Bioware didn't fill the quota of sad moments in the game, so they said **** it Shepard kills Anderson.

yes, yes. Cause seeing Mordin, Legion and Thane die is just good times and major lulz for all. Yes.