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[shepskisaac]

General Slotts wrote...

 Yeah, it never made any sense to me. 

He cracked some Reaper tech and made implants that gave him some of their abilities. I thought it was rather obvious if you listened to terminals on Horizon and Cerberus base

[Xamufam]

It's not kinetic barriers if it was shepard would be surrounded by green/blue biotics
www.youtube.com/watch

[SlottsMachine]

IsaacShep wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

 Yeah, it never made any sense to me. 

He cracked some Reaper tech and made implants that gave him some of their abilities. I thought it was rather obvious if you listened to terminals on Horizon and Cerberus base

Last time I checked the Reapers couldn't physically force you to do something without basically turning your brain into a vegetable.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

General Slotts wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

 Yeah, it never made any sense to me. 

He cracked some Reaper tech and made implants that gave him some of their abilities. I thought it was rather obvious if you listened to terminals on Horizon and Cerberus base

Last time I checked the Reapers couldn't physically force you to do something without basically turning your brain into a vegetable.

They can physically force thralls to do things, yes, and it is indeed taxing on the brain but the thrall probably won't lose their right of mind after one instance of it. In ME:R (novel), Paul Grayson is given implants similar to those TIM uses at the end of ME3 (this is mentioned in a video log at Cerberus HQ) that imbues him with similar ability to control other people.

Grayson actually used his powers to take control of Kahlee, who was still mentally unwilling, but physically obedient.

[shepskisaac]

General Slotts wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

 Yeah, it never made any sense to me. 

He cracked some Reaper tech and made implants that gave him some of their abilities. I thought it was rather obvious if you listened to terminals on Horizon and Cerberus base

Last time I checked the Reapers couldn't physically force you to do something without basically turning your brain into a vegetable.

"I took what I wanted from them, and made it my own". Basically sums it up. + what HYR 2.0 said although it's not required IMO to "get" it just from the game alone. We can hate on many plot threads in the game all we want but TIM's arc/motives and what's happening to him in the game is clear IMO, just spread out in various terminals, final conversation, codex entries etc.

[SlottsMachine]

Okay, thanks HYR. I did not no there was precedent for this.

[Jafroboy]

Look guys we all know the moment the beam run started (where you dont have to run BTW, indeed you can take a little stroll, and setup a picnic with your dear friends, before they have to take their trip on the Normandy, and you still wont get hit, even standing right in front of Harbinger, even after all the NPCs have been blown up.) the thing called "logic" went right out of the window.

[Nashtalia]

Jafroboy wrote...

Look guys we all know the moment the beam run started (where you dont have to run BTW, indeed you can take a little stroll, and setup a picnic with your dear friends, before they have to take their trip on the Normandy, and you still wont get hit, even standing right in front of Harbinger, even after all the NPCs have been blown up.) the thing called "logic" went right out of the window.

this doesn't change the fact that to me, this "moment" demands a rush to the light. the mood it has, just demands for me to rush into the light

[Br3admax]

Jafroboy wrote...

Look guys we all know the moment the beam run started (where you dont have to run BTW, indeed you can take a little stroll, and setup a picnic with your dear friends, before they have to take their trip on the Normandy, and you still wont get hit, even standing right in front of Harbinger, even after all the NPCs have been blown up.) the thing called "logic" went right out of the window.

Gameplay story segregation. Logically, no one would ever just stand there for no reason and look at Harbinger. 
An evac maybe, in a long shot, but no one would test out if the gian Reaper in front of them will blow them up or not. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

General Slotts wrote...

Okay, thanks HYR. I did not no there was precedent for this.

Yup, it's kind of annoying how much important info is in the novels which is not properly elaborated on within the game. I mean, they did mention Grayson in those video-logs, but it wasn't very clear about the nature of those experiments.

[MegaSovereign]

General Slotts wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

From TIM's perspective, Anderson represented the stagnation of humanity....

No disagreement here. My confusion was on the how he did it side of it. 

Awesome, sexy science.

[SlottsMachine]

[Wolfva2]

Nashtalia wrote...

Jafroboy wrote...

Look guys we all know the moment the beam run started (where you dont have to run BTW, indeed you can take a little stroll, and setup a picnic with your dear friends, before they have to take their trip on the Normandy, and you still wont get hit, even standing right in front of Harbinger, even after all the NPCs have been blown up.) the thing called "logic" went right out of the window.

this doesn't change the fact that to me, this "moment" demands a rush to the light. the mood it has, just demands for me to rush into the light

Holy crap!  You're a moth!

I think I'll name my next Shepard 'Lepidoptera'.  Lepidoptera Shepard.  It...sings.  He'll be a vegetarian, of course.  Except for the occasional wool sweater....

[Massa FX]

I never bought into the TIM Jedi mind trick control over Shepard. With IT debunked I distrust the whole scene.

[Wolfva2]

Considering that TIM ALSO controlled Anderson, I'd say IT is thoroughly debunked.

I don't understand why people are so enamoured of IT anyways. Who wants to play a character who is actually being mind controlled? People complain about lack of choices as it is...but to find out that all the 'choices' you thought you had made were actually forced on you by the reapers? Heck, I might've become one of those people incessantly screaming about how bad the game was with manly tears of rage pouring down my face.

[jontepwn]

Just another thing in the ending that doesn't make sense. Nothing new there.

And it's art... or whatever.

[McFlurry598]

 He has mastered the force! 

"These are not the droids controls you are looking for." 

[McFlurry598]

jontepwn wrote...

Just another thing in the ending that doesn't make sense. Nothing new there.

And it's art... or whatever.

Damn right.

Modifié par McFlurry598, 05 septembre 2013 - 10:58 .

[Mcfly616]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

Okay, thanks HYR. I did not no there was precedent for this.

Yup, it's kind of annoying how much important info is in the novels which is not properly elaborated on within the game. I mean, they did mention Grayson in those video-logs, but it wasn't very clear about the nature of those experiments.

how are the novels, honestly? Do they hold up well with other legitimate sci fi novels/authors.....or are they just filler info that wasn't included in the game?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mcfly616 wrote...

how are the novels, honestly? Do they hold up well with other legitimate sci fi novels/authors.....or are they just filler info that wasn't included in the game?

Decent. Not great works in the same class as, say, Ender's Game... but fun reads all the same. That, of course, excludes Mass Effect: Deception. I haven't read that one, but by all accounts, it is lore-breaking and very poorly written.

[Wayning_Star]

Folks have to remember that scene is indicative of transient reality. Similar to the leviathan communication with Shepard at their hold out under the sea. Shepard is there with the Leviathan, but isn't their physically with them, as they appear as others and Shep isn't in the mech sub. Shepard snaps in and out of that conversation, but each time, a little worse for wears.

Up there with TIM and Andy, it's all just a mind game as well, as that is 'where it's at' at time... TIM isn't controlling Shep, per se, so much as manipulation of the "setting" provided Shepard to flesh out conceptual differences to find "the One" acceptable organic to meet up with the catalyst intellect. Of course that is just another aspect of the same mind game tho, as Shep is on the ground unconscious in a pile of rubble. I suspect the reapership missed shepard as well as ignored the Normandy on orders from the catalyst, who in turn wishes to actually speak with the human/organic representative.


Shepard the warrior diplomat. wow....

edit: forgot to mention that the images are of the different choices, TIM is control, Anderson is destroy Shepard is ????

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 septembre 2013 - 08:12 .

[Genetic Destiny]

I think the reapers wanted to disassociate themselves with all of their heinous traits and have it directed at TIM instead. That way, if/when Shepard gets past him, the Intelligence can present the reapers in a more positive light to make it easier to gain Shepard's trust.

If "we already controlled [TIM]" then they must've planned to have him try to sway Shepard and likely fail. I wouldn't be shocked if the whole point was to puppeteer one guy so they could attach strings to another, so to speak.

[thehomeworld]

I think this scene was a hold over from the unused indoctrination story line but its difficult to place it in there. I think maybe the origonal scene called for TIM to already have shep under his control maybe even via the chip and make him shoot Anderson without him kneeling down to show Anderson how much power he had, but then the reapers hack shep back from TIM and make him/her shoot him.

Or perhapse TIM was never meant to be there but an indoctrinated and or hacked shep and Anderson with VS were there to stop shep by any means necessary and both get shot its just in Shep's mind it was TIM and who controlled him made him shoot Anderson and he killed TIM not knowing in the real world it was his friends.

Either way BW couldn't write this scene out and needed to use it as is like the begining was origionally the on your way to court but they kept the basics changed the dialouge and hoped it would be good enough to link together a former and future scene.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 06 septembre 2013 - 02:22 .

[SilJeff]

Indoctrination plus those implants TIM had that Cerberus woman install without the antisthetic

[Wolfva2]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

how are the novels, honestly? Do they hold up well with other legitimate sci fi novels/authors.....or are they just filler info that wasn't included in the game?

Decent. Not great works in the same class as, say, Ender's Game... but fun reads all the same. That, of course, excludes Mass Effect: Deception. I haven't read that one, but by all accounts, it is lore-breaking and very poorly written.

Well, they told you right up front that book was a deception....
/rimshot