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[Stinja]

Just be careful, and have a team of primers.
Novaguards, played well, are fine on platinum. It's just most are not played well...

[David Diablo]

Is there any argument to using a novaguard with an OP weapon like a reegar or a harrier and only occasionally using BC to detonate and nova for I-frames? Nobody mentions this, but it seems like the natural evolution for novaguards on platinum.
Furthermore, would it be worth taking weapons damage on passives and becoming a pseudo-Hsol that can recover his own health. Just thinking out loud here...

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

David Diablo wrote...

Is there any argument to using a novaguard with an OP weapon like a reegar or a harrier and only occasionally using BC to detonate and nova for I-frames? Nobody mentions this, but it seems like the natural evolution for novaguards on platinum.
Furthermore, would it be worth taking weapons damage on passives and becoming a pseudo-Hsol that can recover his own health. Just thinking out loud here...

Personally, I think yes. Both the Reegar and the Harrier (at high rank) are not so heavy as to severely impede cooldown and it certainly helps to have a decent weapon to melt the face off any boss.

If only I had a Reegar X, or maybe even a Harrier X...

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 04 septembre 2013 - 09:50 .

[Stinja]

You can argue anything, like a black widow Fury, but efficiency?
I'd pretty much always choose to play Novaguard as a tank and detonator.

[Uh Cold]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

David Diablo wrote...

Is there any argument to using a novaguard with an OP weapon like a reegar or a harrier and only occasionally using BC to detonate and nova for I-frames? Nobody mentions this, but it seems like the natural evolution for novaguards on platinum.
Furthermore, would it be worth taking weapons damage on passives and becoming a pseudo-Hsol that can recover his own health. Just thinking out loud here...

Personally, I think yes. Both the Reegar and the Harrier are not so heavy as to severely impede cooldown and it certainly helps to have a decent weapon to melt the face off any boss.

If only I had a Reegar X, or maybe even a Harrier X...

You will outplay a reeger or harrier novaguard with a talon novaguard everytime if the player is skilled enough to utilize I-frames when needed.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Uh Cold wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

David Diablo wrote...

Is there any argument to using a novaguard with an OP weapon like a reegar or a harrier and only occasionally using BC to detonate and nova for I-frames? Nobody mentions this, but it seems like the natural evolution for novaguards on platinum.
Furthermore, would it be worth taking weapons damage on passives and becoming a pseudo-Hsol that can recover his own health. Just thinking out loud here...

Personally, I think yes. Both the Reegar and the Harrier are not so heavy as to severely impede cooldown and it certainly helps to have a decent weapon to melt the face off any boss.

If only I had a Reegar X, or maybe even a Harrier X...

You will outplay a reeger or harrier novaguard with a talon novaguard everytime if the player is skilled enough to utilize I-frames when needed.

You mean tricks like holding down the fire button while charging and while in the middle of the Nova animation? In which case I can't really say because I don't have the Talon myself.

[Max Dmian]

David Diablo wrote...

Is there any argument to using a novaguard with an OP weapon like a reegar or a harrier and only occasionally using BC to detonate and nova for I-frames? Nobody mentions this, but it seems like the natural evolution for novaguards on platinum.
Furthermore, would it be worth taking weapons damage on passives and becoming a pseudo-Hsol that can recover his own health. Just thinking out loud here...

Well, doesn't sound much like NovaGuard anymore.
Cold is right, put the Talon or the Wraith on him, your damage output and survivability will be significantly higher.

[Deerber]

Your build is perfectly fine as it is. I'd take a Talon and disruptor ammo, but your choices are good as well.
If you find yourself struggling to score much, it's not a build problem, but maybe a problem of your gameplay
On platinum you'll need to novacancel a lot and pick your fight - charge lone phantoms or little groups of them, and dragoons, and in general infantry sized enemies. Leave big bosses for last, and beware of the syncs. That's pretty much all, really.
You might find watching this piece of art useful.

[David Diablo]

Yeah, thanks for the input everyone. Like the OP, I play a mean novaguard on gold (the way it's meant to be played), but I never really thought of that style of play being platinum viable. Just need to learn how to use the talon properly...
Again, thanks for giving me something to play around with.

[Alfonsedode]

I feel the power amplifier is quite a must for the novaguard and why the talon/acolyte (I don t use the acolyte and shld start trying) is the better choice. CSMG seems a good idea too for boss dealing.
(Well I will try the  build from kaxas92)

Modifié par alfonsedode, 04 septembre 2013 - 10:17 .

[Deerber]

Ah, another thing is that you might want to use a cyclonic on platinum.

Otherwise you get too much bull**** for my tastes.

[Uh Cold]

Deerber wrote...

Ah, another thing is that you might want to use a cyclonic on platinum.

Otherwise you get too much bull**** for my tastes.

A lot of this. 

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Deerber wrote...

Ah, another thing is that you might want to use a cyclonic on platinum.

Otherwise you get too much bull**** for my tastes.

Like Geth Pyros beginning to fire their flamethrowers while you're in the middle of charging and busting your newly restored barrier before you even arrive? I think that's killed me more than once on Gold (have yet to try Platinum, because I'm a scrub and frankly my weapons aren't good enough).

[Muhkida]

Seeing how your manifest isn't exactly in good shape, it's not hard to believe that you won't be topping the scoreboard very often.  You have a Wraith II and no Shotgun Amps:sick:, so your DPS isn't going to soar anytime soon if you are sticking with that gun / setup on Platinum.

You're Acolyte is a III (which is good enough because that gun is cheese), so I would try using that + Incendiary Rounds instead.  I'd actually prefer the Talon, but you don't have that gun yet.

You're build is fine IMO.  I'd usually do AOE on Biotic Charge, but that's just me.

EDIT : Well damn, you don't have any Incendiary Ammo either:huh:... and use the Geth Scanner

Modifié par Muhkida, 04 septembre 2013 - 10:34 .

[Adamziomal]

kaxas92 wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

I suggest 4b evo of the BC. It's better because you will stagger everything around you and detonade explosions around you.
For platinum build I suggest Acolyte + Hurricane combo with incendiary ammo. Cyclonic III or IV will help you stay alive.

You're using Nova, so your shields go down really quickly no matter what. I'd go with a good Power Amplifier IV.

You're probably right. I don't use him too often.
I forgot about Geth Scanner, it's really helpful too.

Modifié par Adamziomal, 04 septembre 2013 - 10:49 .

[Deerber]

Ugh, just noticed I didn't read too deep in the build.

As others said yeah, you do want radius on BC.

You also might want to use a Geth Scanner if possible.

[Salarian Jesus]

Adamziomal wrote...

kaxas92 wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

I suggest 4b evo of the BC. It's better because you will stagger everything around you and detonade explosions around you.
For platinum build I suggest Acolyte + Hurricane combo with incendiary ammo. Cyclonic III or IV will help you stay alive.

You're using Nova, so your shields go down really quickly no matter what. I'd go with a good Power Amplifier IV.

You're probably right. I don't use him too often.
I forgot about Geth Scanner, it's really helpful too.

Back in the thread, quite a few people said that Cyclonic mod is a must, actually. I guess it's because of different playstyles.

[Deerber]

kaxas92 wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

kaxas92 wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

I suggest 4b evo of the BC. It's better because you will stagger everything around you and detonade explosions around you.
For platinum build I suggest Acolyte + Hurricane combo with incendiary ammo. Cyclonic III or IV will help you stay alive.

You're using Nova, so your shields go down really quickly no matter what. I'd go with a good Power Amplifier IV.

You're probably right. I don't use him too often.
I forgot about Geth Scanner, it's really helpful too.

Back in the thread, quite a few people said that Cyclonic mod is a must, actually. I guess it's because of different playstyles.

Wouldn't say it's a must. On gold, I go power amp all day every day. Platinum... I simply get lots of BS less if I use a cyclonic. Makes me rage less and have more fun. But it can easily be different for other people. :happy:

[Fortack]

Deerber wrote...

Ah, another thing is that you might want to use a cyclonic on platinum.

Otherwise you get too much bull**** for my tastes.

I use the Responder thing; 3 additional medigel to deal with all the nonsense is quite nice.

P.S. Disruptor Ammo might be a better ammo cuz, unlike FE, tech bursts can be spammed 24/7.

P.P.S. Nova cancelling is for noobs

[Andr0idOS]

Deerber wrote...

Your build is perfectly fine as it is. I'd take a Talon and disruptor ammo, but your choices are good as well.
If you find yourself struggling to score much, it's not a build problem, but maybe a problem of your gameplay
On platinum you'll need to novacancel a lot and pick your fight - charge lone phantoms or little groups of them, and dragoons, and in general infantry sized enemies. Leave big bosses for last, and beware of the syncs. That's pretty much all, really.
You might find watching this piece of art useful.

I would be using a Talon on a lot of kits...if I had it. That's a very good point, I've only played a few plat games with him and still have a lot of learning to do regarding plat, I'm sure my gameplay will improve significantly over time. I'm only now starting to utilize nova cancelling as often as I should be, for example. 

Muhkida wrote...

Seeing how your manifest isn't exactly in good shape, it's not hard to believe that you won't be topping the scoreboard very often.  You have a Wraith II and no Shotgun Amps:sick:, so your DPS isn't going to soar anytime soon if you are sticking with that gun / setup on Platinum.

You're Acolyte is a III (which is good enough because that gun is cheese), so I would try using that + Incendiary Rounds instead.  I'd actually prefer the Talon, but you don't have that gun yet.

You're build is fine IMO.  I'd usually do AOE on Biotic Charge, but that's just me.

EDIT : Well damn, you don't have any Incendiary Ammo either:huh:... and use the Geth Scanner

Hence why I've promoted all my classes except infiltrators so that I can save up credits/gear again. I'm not stupid, I don't go into plat without good consumables. :happy:

The way I've always thought of BC is, I'm going to be following up a BC with a Nova, so what's the point in having area BC if I'm going to immediatly use an AoE attack afterwards anyways? Nova can detonate/stagger just like area BC.

Thanks for all the useful advice/tips from everyone, to many posts to respond to them all. 

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Fortack wrote...

P.P.S. Nova cancelling is for noobs

I'm so deeply hurt. Now I'll have to keep firing Shockwaves across a sniper's sights to cheer myself up.

[Andr0idOS]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

Fortack wrote...

P.P.S. Nova cancelling is for noobs

I'm so deeply hurt. Now I'll have to keep firing Shockwaves across a sniper's sights to cheer myself up.

LOL. I love messing with my brother when he's using snipers. 

[Deerber]

Fortack wrote...

I use the Responder thing; 3 additional medigel to deal with all the nonsense is quite nice.

Yeah I used to alternate between that and the +3 ops packs before Geth Scanner came out.

[Fortack]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

Fortack wrote...

P.P.S. Nova cancelling is for noobs

I'm so deeply hurt. Now I'll have to keep firing Shockwaves across a sniper's sights to cheer myself up.

I'm a Krogan traditionalist, so normally I would have said that real [insert character] use the Claymore. Unfortunately, the Platinum Novaguard is a rare exception to this iron rule. Krogan can't roll hence the second best I could come up with was to play the noob card on Nova cancelling

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Fortack wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

Fortack wrote...

P.P.S. Nova cancelling is for noobs

I'm so deeply hurt. Now I'll have to keep firing Shockwaves across a sniper's sights to cheer myself up.

I'm a Krogan traditionalist, so normally I would have said that real [insert character] use the Claymore. Unfortunately, the Platinum Novaguard is a rare exception to this iron rule. Krogan can't roll hence the second best I could come up with was to play the noob card on Nova cancelling

I thought krogan, of all, um, people could find common ground with Novaguards. Getting up in things' faces, able to survive the direst of situations and all that.

But it certainly is true that taking a Claymore on a Novaguard would be detrimental at best.