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[Ieldra]

Here's the thing:

Being forced to use a staff as a mage sucks. It's unnecessarily limiting and even worse, forces players to conform to a stereotype.

Since it appears unlikely that this is changed, I propose the next best thing:

I want staves that not only look like spears, halberds or naginatas (DA2 had one of the latter), but that can also be used the same way.

Thoughts about this?


(To be clear: what I really want is the return of the Arcane Warrior. I've always tried to play against stereotypes, and that it appears I won't be able to do that in DAI bothers me greatly)

[Cainhurst Crow]

Why can't warriors use spears? Why the stereotype that swords were the only melee weapon to exist?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Sure. I've always wondered what the heck is stopping a mage from channeling magic through a more traditional weapon, perhaps even a sword. :S

[Ieldra]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Why can't warriors use spears? Why the stereotype that swords were the only melee weapon to exist?

At least warriors have the choice between hammers, axes, swords and daggers, so no, you're not forced into a stereotype as a warrior, but I agree, there should be spear-wielding warriors as well.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 septembre 2013 - 07:44 .

[Renmiri1]

 Wasn't that done in DA2 ?
I just loved the mage moves on DA2 combat.. Anders doing them then.. 

[Chala]

Call me crazy... But I think that mages use the staff as a melee weapon when they are in close combat (DAII).

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 04 septembre 2013 - 07:49 .

[n7stormrunner]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Call me crazy... But I think that mages use the staff as a melee weapon when they are in close combat (DAII).

they do, I rather like it... makes it look like the know the enemy is close and they carry a big stick.

[bandcandy]

I'm guessing the trade off is: Mages get flashy spells (Ice wall! Meteor!) but are stuck with mundane weapons, Warrior + Rogues get flashy weapons (hello flaming sword from pax) but their abilities look less cool in comparison (oh yay, another lame whirlwind animation).

Also, stereotype is an extremely awkward word to describe something like this and I cringe every time I read it.

Modifié par bandcandy, 04 septembre 2013 - 08:02 .

[Tashash]

n7stormrunner wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Call me crazy... But I think that mages use the staff as a melee weapon when they are in close combat (DAII).

they do, I rather like it... makes it look like the know the enemy is close and they carry a big stick.

YEP. I like the idea of mages being able to use their staff as a close-combat weapon.

As long as I'm not back to standing there, pointing a stick at an enemy who is two inches away from me carving his initials onto my ribs while I scream for Alistair to get his arse into gear and help me I'm pretty happy.

[Ieldra]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
Call me crazy... But I think that mages use the staff as a melee weapon when they are in close combat (DAII).

They do, but the staffs feel and sound invariably like staffs, even if one has a bladed end. If a mage uses what amounts to a naginata in melee, it should feel and sound that way.

And I still want my Arcane Warrior back. Even should they be nerfed. It's a matter of style.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 septembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[BENIIICHAT]

In DAII, Mage use staff as a melee weapon,that OK. But what I want is Mage who can carry another weapon. maybe they can't get bonus point but at least we have a choice like DAO.

And If I can hope. I want My mage to carry nothing but accessories that give bonus point like Ring or Blacelet. and use his Fist,Foot or some small weapon against enemy in melee combat.

Modifié par BENIIICHAT, 04 septembre 2013 - 08:09 .

[n7stormrunner]

Ieldra2 wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
Call me crazy... But I think that mages use the staff as a melee weapon when they are in close combat (DAII).

They do, but the staffs feel and sound invariably like staffs, even if one has a bladed end. If a mage uses what amounts to a naginata in melee, it should feel and sound that way.

And I still want my Arcane Warrior back. Even should they be nerfed. It's a matter of style.

and a  naginata feels like?

I'd think I'd rather have battle mage back then arcane warrior. I like magic knights but I prefer them more warrior based. 

[Ieldra]

n7stormrunner wrote...
and a  naginata feels like?

A bladed weapon which cuts, as opposed to a blunt weapon.

BTW, I don't mind the staffs giving extra boni. For me the choice of weapon is a matter of style, not effectiveness.

[Ieldra]

SergeantSnookie wrote...
Sure. I've always wondered what the heck is stopping a mage from channeling magic through a more traditional weapon, perhaps even a sword. :S

We even have the most iconic mage of all fiction using one: Gandalf and the sword Glamdring. Though the staff stereotype appears to be so ingrained people tend to forget that.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 septembre 2013 - 08:13 .

[Chala]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gandalf rarely used magic however.

With that beard... Who needs magic?

[n7stormrunner]

Ieldra2 wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...
and a  naginata feels like?

A bladed weapon which cuts, as opposed to a blunt weapon.

BTW, I don't mind the staffs giving extra boni. For me the choice of weapon is a matter of style, not effectiveness.

and in a video game where you don't cut people in half.. or even cut an arm off. how does a bladed weapon feel like? I'm not trying to be rude I just don't get what your asking for, in da all weapons behave like blunt ones.

[Chala]

n7stormrunner wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...
and a  naginata feels like?

A bladed weapon which cuts, as opposed to a blunt weapon.

BTW, I don't mind the staffs giving extra boni. For me the choice of weapon is a matter of style, not effectiveness.

and in a video game where you don't cut people in half.. or even cut an arm off. how does a bladed weapon feel like? I'm not trying to be rude I just don't get what your asking for, in da all weapons behave like blunt ones.

I can't remember how it was in DAII, but in DAO, the Warden chopped a lot of heads with his bladed weapons.
EDIT:
And stab, shouldn't forget the stabbing

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 04 septembre 2013 - 08:22 .

[n7stormrunner]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gandalf rarely used magic however.

mostly cause god said don't.. the last time it was allowed a continent got broken... 

[n7stormrunner]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...
and a  naginata feels like?

A bladed weapon which cuts, as opposed to a blunt weapon.

BTW, I don't mind the staffs giving extra boni. For me the choice of weapon is a matter of style, not effectiveness.

and in a video game where you don't cut people in half.. or even cut an arm off. how does a bladed weapon feel like? I'm not trying to be rude I just don't get what your asking for, in da all weapons behave like blunt ones.

I can't remember how it was in DAII, but in DAO, the Warden chopped a lot of heads with his bladed weapons.

only for finishers rest of the time... nothing they just kinda fall over.

[Ieldra]

Morocco Mole wrote...
Gandalf rarely used magic however.

That's because Middle-Earth is a high fantasy setting, where magic is mystical and rare.

[LOLandStuff]

I want to be able to use a staff like a rake.