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[Am1vf]

AstusOz wrote...

fchopin wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

fchopin wrote...

After reading what each person said i still have no idea what a Kossith is.

It's essentially what Qunari is. The name of the culture + followers of that culture without any respect to race.

It was succeeded by the Qun. 

So what is different between a Kossith and the Qun?

The culture itself is fundamentally different. We know a bit about how the Qun functions however we don't really know anything concerning the Kossith culture. We only know that it came before. 

Well, there is that. But, as far as we know all kossith either converted to the Qun or dissapeared (captured by the darkspawn in the Korkari Wilds, their women trnsformed into broodmothers). There is a possibility there might be some Kossith in the continent the Qunari came from, but it's unlikely, and we know nothing about how the Kossith culture was.

Using the therm Kossith is a bit like returning to the previus term by defaul as opposition to  Qunari.

[Maria Caliban]

Vapaä wrote...

It's the old culture of the horned gigants, before the Qun

Kinda like pre-islamic Arabia

Correct.

[Beerfish]

Wots this? I tells ya, all I know is that I once saw one of them horned devils (and that's what they'd be called if I had my say). He was big as a bloomin house he was, and mean looking too. They bring nothin but trouble they do. I heard tell of what happened in Kirkwall. Whole city killed and sacked by the devils. Killed all the women and children. Lopped off the head of the viscount they say right in a public square.

I was tellin maude the other day at supper, I hope they drive those louts right back to where they came from. You ask me what they be called? Some call em Kunaree. I call em horned devils.

[Am1vf]

Beerfish wrote...

Wots this? I tells ya, all I know is that I once saw one of them horned devils (and that's what they'd be called if I had my say). He was big as a bloomin house he was, and mean looking too. They bring nothin but trouble they do. I heard tell of what happened in Kirkwall. Whole city killed and sacked by the devils. Killed all the women and children. Lopped off the head of the viscount they say right in a public square.

I was tellin maude the other day at supper, I hope they drive those louts right back to where they came from. You ask me what they be called? Some call em Kunaree. I call em horned devils.

Beerfish wins the thread. 

Morocco Mole wrote...

No, it's what people use to call the horned species also known as Qunari specifically to refer to the species and not their philosophical alignment and to avoid misunderstandings because humans, elves, dwarfs, whatever can be Qunari too.

I'm pretty sure that every person who has played Dragon Age will get what you mean when you call them a qunari. Calling them kossith is needlessly pedantic and even annoys the writers. 

No we don't, if you say Qunari, without specifying it's the race and not the culture, I would think you are refereing to the followers of the Qun.

It's not a attempt to be pedantic but to avoid musinderstandings. And I'm sure the writers have worse things to be annoyed by.

Modifié par Am1_vf, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:05 .

[Maiden Crowe]

Am1_vf wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

A name is merely a word that is assigned to a specific person, race, object or creature to make it easier for people to identify a certain thing when referred to in speech or written text. The Qunari culture does not recognize racial distinction thus they do not have a word for the race of horned giants with grey skin however the people of Thedas do and have called the race of horned giants with grey skin Qunari.

Qunari is the only known identifier for the race of horned grey skin giants thus that is what they are called.

[Wulfram]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant.

Of course.  No Qunari would say anything like "the elves are a lithe pointy eared people who excell at poverty".  That would be silly.

And no Qunari would need to think about stuff like how big the person they're making these clothes for is, or give a physical description of someone.  Everyone is alike in the Qun, after all.

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

Sure, there's no reason an evangelical religion like the Chantry might wish to draw a distinction between the alien philosophy and those who have been converted from it to the True Faith.  And of course if I left a crazy brain washing cult, I'd be happy to be referred to as a follower of that faith.

Am1_vf wrote...

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

Oxmen is a term used in the game.

Modifié par Wulfram, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:09 .

[Tarek]

so the qun is like a "religion"

ahhhh so Kossith would be a more "accurate' "race" name

[Ozzy]

I think there is a possibility that there is a group out there somewhere still practising the Kossith culture. Whether in seclusion or not. Some hidden conclave or the like.

I'm just curious about the transition on a large scale from that being the dominant culture to the Qun taking over. Was it similar to Christianity's rise and the decline of the Roman Polytheism in that it was somewhat gradual (that's simplifying greatly) or was it an abrupt change? I imagine there was a lot of resistance.

[Am1vf]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

A name is merely a word that is assigned to a specific person, race, object or creature to make it easier for people to identify a certain thing when referred to in speech or written text. The Qunari culture does not recognize racial distinction thus they do not have a word for the race of horned giants with grey skin however the people of Thedas do and have called the race of horned giants with grey skin Qunari.

Qunari is the only known identifier for the race of horned grey skin giants thus that is what they are called.

By Elves and Humans  outside the Qun, yes. But for the oxmen they can be either Qunari (which also includes elves, humans, etc for example Tallis is a Qunari) or Tal-Vashot. Just beacuse humans and elves misuse a term from a foreign language doesn't mean we should, specially if it can lead to misunderstandings.

[Battlebloodmage]

Tarek wrote...

so the qun is like a "religion"

ahhhh so Kossith would be a more "accurate' "race" name

[Maria Caliban]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm pretty sure that every person who has played Dragon Age will get what you mean when you call them a qunari. Calling them kossith is needlessly pedantic and even annoys the writers.

You are overestimating the reading ability of the average forumite.

We have had people on this very forum hear that Qunari will be a playable race and wonder if that means a follower of the Qun or a giant grey person with horn.

[Potato Cat]

I think I read somewhere the Tamarassans may use the term 'Kossith' to differentiate in the record keeping for the birthing program. But the word 'Vashoth' may also be apt, as it means 'Grey One', i.e. qunari race. But people seem to think we're only shortening for 'Tal-Vashoth', or ''True' Grey One', so I can see why that term might not be preferable to some. I like it, but people understanding me is more important.

I've come to view Kossith as a meaningless word really, as the Qun spread through the whole of the Kossith nation and culture. They became Qunari and are now Qunari. Those who reject it become Tal-Vashoth. And I think the developers have a problem with the term because it doesn't mean anything, and no one we'll likely talk to will even have a concept of the word, so it'll never be explicitly referenced.

Modifié par Elfman, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:10 .

[Taleroth]

Tarek wrote...

so the qun is like a "religion"

ahhhh so Kossith would be a more "accurate' "race" name

No. Qun is a culture. Kossith is a culture. But distinctly, Kossith is a dead culture.

Modifié par Taleroth, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:10 .

[fchopin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

It's the old culture of the horned gigants, before the Qun

Kinda like pre-islamic Arabia

Correct.

So if the Qun were the Kossith horned giants where did Sten come from?

[Am1vf]

Wulfram wrote...

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Am1_vf wrote...

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

Oxmen is a term used in the game.

Really? I don't remember that... I'll take your word for it though  My mistake, I though it was made up in the forums.

[Herr Uhl]

Wulfram wrote...

Of course.  No Qunari would say anything like "the elves are a lithe pointy eared people who excell at poverty".  That would be silly.

Sten said that to make a point about how silly it would be. It wasn't meant to be taken as a statement of fact.

[Herr Uhl]

Tarek wrote...

so the qun is like a "religion"

ahhhh so Kossith would be a more "accurate' "race" name

It would be like calling Irish people Celts.

[Tarek]

im just gonna call them the guys with huge junk

[Sol Downer]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so the qun is like a "religion"

ahhhh so Kossith would be a more "accurate' "race" name

It would be like calling Irish people Celts.

Because...Celtic is the old term while Irish is the new term? Or I'm I thinking about this wrong?

[Maiden Crowe]

Am1_vf wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

A name is merely a word that is assigned to a specific person, race, object or creature to make it easier for people to identify a certain thing when referred to in speech or written text. The Qunari culture does not recognize racial distinction thus they do not have a word for the race of horned giants with grey skin however the people of Thedas do and have called the race of horned giants with grey skin Qunari.

Qunari is the only known identifier for the race of horned grey skin giants thus that is what they are called.

By Elves and Humans  outside the Qun, yes. But for the oxmen they can be either Qunari (which also includes elves, humans, etc for example Tallis is a Qunari) or Tal-Vashot. Just beacuse humans and elves misuse a term from a foreign language doesn't mean we should, specially if it can lead to misunderstandings.

A name can have 2 meanings, of course it can get confusing but there are plenty of examples within our own language that one word can mean 2 completely different things.

The name of an object is whatever it is assigned by the person naming it and since the race of horned grey skin giants didn't give themselves a name the people of Thedas did and that name is Qunari.

[Sol Downer]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
You are overestimating the reading ability of the average forumite.

I should have known.

Don't feel bad about it, though. You can still convey your point, but you'll have to speak on the level of your listeners to get your point across. Simplify your message until it becomes clear, and you'll be understood.