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[ShiroDNX]

Herr Uhl: Ah, apologies. My fault. I assumed you meant another quote besides Kirby's, as his only points out that it's a cultural term, not racial.

Assumptions are so tricky...

[Maiden Crowe]

AstusOz wrote...

Ultimately, it would be pretty useful if Bioware just came out and just stated what the Oxman species is really called

They did, they are called Qunari.

[Am1vf]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Ultimately, it would be pretty useful if Bioware just came out and just stated what the Oxman species is really called

They did, they are called Qunari.

I think you mean qunari. 

[Iakus]

Ultimashade wrote...

fchopin wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

fchopin wrote...

After reading what each person said i still have no idea what a Kossith is.

It's essentially what Qunari is. The name of the culture + followers of that culture without any respect to race.

It was succeeded by the Qun. 

So what is different between a Kossith and the Qun?

Pretty much nothing. Kossith is just an outdated term that referred to both race and religion. Qunari is the new age term that refers to race and religion, which is known as the Qun.

I'm starting to call followers of the Qun "Qunari" with an upper-case Q like you'd say "Andrastrian, Chasind, or Dalish.  And the giants who may or may not have horns "qunari" with a lower case q like you'd say elf, dwarf, or human.

[Star fury]

Qunari is the name of a Bioware-made race who look like basketball players with horns. Even devs use it when discussing them.

"Kossith", on the other hand, is a name that is used by people who went insane with DA lore.

Modifié par Star fury, 04 septembre 2013 - 03:33 .

[ShiroDNX]

I always thought they fit in more with the NFL than with basketball. Built for charging right into guys to run them over.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I guess we could start calling them (comic spoiler!)  ...

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... Dragonborn.

I just wish that BioWare would give the species a name. I could not care less if it's used in universe or not. The BioWare writers may not find the species and the religion having the same name confusing, but I do. It's annoying having to write 'those tall people with the metallic skin who generally have horns' every time I want to talk about their biology or their pre-Thedas history or some other aspect of their existence else that they don't share with the elves and humans among the Quanari.

Modifié par Andrastee, 04 septembre 2013 - 03:40 .

[Ozzy]

I think it's safe to assume that people would understand what you're talking about when you specifically refer to qunari in terms of biology.

It's all about context. 

Modifié par AstusOz, 04 septembre 2013 - 03:43 .

[AlexJK]

Andrastee wrote...

It's annoying having to write 'those tall people with the metallic skin who generally have horns' ...

"Qunari race" is a bit quicker to write...

[Star fury]

ShiroDNX wrote...

I always thought they fit in more with the NFL than with basketball. Built for charging right into guys to run them over.

NFL is a good shout too.

[Ozzy]

There's really no reason for confusion about what Bioware mean when they say you can select qunari as a race. In that context, it's clear they're talking about a specific race. In terms of origins + background, it may get a little confusing but it's to be expected at this stage.

And Kossith is an outdated term though. If it was ever used to only refer specifically to the race of oxmen then it's fair game but we've given the distinct impression that it did not do that.

Modifié par AstusOz, 04 septembre 2013 - 03:48 .

[AlexJK]

AstusOz wrote...

There's really no reason for confusion about what Bioware mean when they say you can select qunari as a race. In that context, it's clear they're talking about a specific race.

Common sense, on the BSN? Well now I've seen it all.

[Kaiser of Hearts]

Faerunner wrote...

I'd argue that using the term "Qunari" inter-changeably between the race and culture gets too unnecessarily confusing for too many people. "Qunari are a playable race!" "... Wait, are we talking the horned giants or actual followers of the Qun?" "If we're Qunari, does that mean our mage is going to be Saarebas?" "You can be a Qunari mage, just not Saarebas." "... So, we're not followers of the Qun, then?" "Does that make us Tal'Vashoth?"

Many people find it very irritating. I get that everyone in-universe refers to both the race and the culture as Qunari, but it makes it unnecessarily unclear for players trying to discuss them from outside the game. When I'm talking about the biological race and not the socially-constructed philosophy-religion, I want an easy, go-to word that lets people immediately get what I mean.

"Kossith" is just an easy, go-to word for people who want to send the message that they mean "biological grey-skinned giant, regardless of his or her ideology" without having to write entire sentences giving context. "Can we play the race of horned giants that make up the majority of the Qun?" "Can we be Qunari or Val'Vashoth?" etc.

Even though kossith is the description of a dead culture. Of course it's going to be confusing with no context. I see qunari like the Jewish race and religion, but the religion doesn't distinguish race, and those who weren't apart of the religion, can't distinguish between race and religion. Context Context

Modifié par Kaiser of Hearts, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:04 .

[ShiroDNX]

Star: Shoulder pads are just a good fit on them.

Anyway, I don't like the use of Kossith as if it's correct for something it was never created to mean. It refers to a people that died out with the rise of the Qun. To me, every question asking if we'll get to do anything with Kossith is always a "No." Because Kossith just aren't around anymore.

[Ozzy]

AlexJK wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

There's really no reason for confusion about what Bioware mean when they say you can select qunari as a race. In that context, it's clear they're talking about a specific race.

Common sense, on the BSN? Well now I've seen it all.

I think people are a bit too harsh on the BSN in general and it gets a bit of a bad rap but among the dissertations on quarian sweat and random overreactions, there's a lot of decent discussion to be had. ;P

Modifié par AstusOz, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:00 .

[Star fury]

ShiroDNX wrote...

Star: Shoulder pads are just a good fit on them.

Someone should photoshop Stan's face into NFL player photo. He would look badass.

[Eveangaline]

Big horned race in technical terms. Like how '****** sapiens' means human.

[Talmud]

Is it really so hard to just say "the Qunari race" when you want to specify that you mean the race?

[Augustei]

Am1_vf wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

Thats not a fan given name, thats straight out of the game.. several npcs call them that

[Tarek]

Eveangaline wrote...

Big horned race in technical terms. Like how '****** sapiens' means human.

giggle snork 

[Am1vf]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari

Nope. As far as we know they don't have one. Other than the fan given name "Oxmen".

Thats not a fan given name, thats straight out of the game.. several npcs call them that

Yes, I was corected shorthy after that post and I acknowledged my mistake. Is it going to be repeated in each page now?

[Eveangaline]

Talmud wrote...

Is it really so hard to just say "the Qunari race" when you want to specify that you mean the race?

So what are tal-vashoth?

[Am1vf]

Eveangaline wrote...

Talmud wrote...

Is it really so hard to just say "the Qunari race" when you want to specify that you mean the race?

So what are tal-vashoth?

They are those who used to follow the Qun but have abandoned it, they can be elves, humans, or oxmen.