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[Ozzy]

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. 

Modifié par AstusOz, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:30 .

[Eveangaline]

Am1_vf wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Talmud wrote...

Is it really so hard to just say "the Qunari race" when you want to specify that you mean the race?

So what are tal-vashoth?

They are those who used to follow the Qun but have abandoned it, they can be elves, humans, or oxmen.

But that sets up the weird idea that they change race when they leave the qun, if you go around calling them 'the qunari race' before they do.

[Am1vf]

Eveangaline wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Talmud wrote...

Is it really so hard to just say "the Qunari race" when you want to specify that you mean the race?

So what are tal-vashoth?

They are those who used to follow the Qun but have abandoned it, they can be elves, humans, or oxmen.

But that sets up the weird idea that they change race when they leave the qun, if you go around calling them 'the qunari race' before they do.

Keep going, I think you're starting to get what this thread is about! 

[Taleroth]

Eveangaline wrote...

But that sets up the weird idea that they change race when they leave the qun, if you go around calling them 'the qunari race' before they do.

You would call them Qunari race before and after they leave. Unless they're a shapeshifter, perhaps.

Tal-Vashoth is cultural, not ethnic. You could loosely translate them to rebels.

Modifié par Taleroth, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:42 .

[mikeymoonshine]

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. 

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

[Han Shot First]

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari.

Its an ethnoreligious term. Whether a person is referring to the ethnic group or a religion would be depend on the context in which it was used.

A real world example of an ethnoreligious  term would be the word Jewish. It can be used to either mean a practitioner of the Jewish faith regardless of whether or not that person's ethnic background is Jewish, or someone who is Jewish by ethnic ancestry regardless of whether or not the person is a practitioner of the Jewish faith.

There would probably be a lot less confusion amonst the fanbase if they'd think of the term Qunari as being similar to the word Jewish.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[General TSAR]

It's easier just to call them Oxmen and Oxwomen.

[Am1vf]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. 

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

You're right! We shoud call everyone Thedosians and end with all this confusion. :lol:

[MKDAWUSS]

Kossith sounds like something straight out of Star Wars, IMO.

[Xilizhra]

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

[mikeymoonshine]

Han Shot First wrote...

Tarek wrote...

so wth is the RACE's name??!!

Qunari.

Its an ethnoreligious term. Whether a person is referring to the ethnic group or a religion would be depend on the context in which it was used.

A real world example of an ethnoreligious  term would be the word Jewish. It can be used to either mean a practitioner of the Jewish faith regardless of whether or not that person's ethnic background is Jewish, or someone who is Jewish by ethnic ancestry regardless of whether or not the person is a practitioner of the Jewish faith.

There would probably be a lot less confusion amonst the fanbase if they'd think of the term Qunari as being similar to the word Jewish.

Exactly it's really not hard to understand, I also find it really interesting that they did that

[Andraste_Reborn]

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

We don't know.

[Han Shot First]

General TSAR wrote...

It's easier just to call them Oxmen and Oxwomen.

Personally I wish fans would use Oxmen instead of Kossith, when they feel a need to use a more specific term than Qunari. It is more accurate apparently than Kossith, and far less obscure. A new person to the forum is likely to react to some of the thread titles here by asking, "What the hell is a Kossith?"

[mikeymoonshine]

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. 

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

You're right! We shoud call everyone Thedosians and end with all this confusion. :lol:

Well yes that would be as innacurate as calling the Qunari Kossith. xx

[Han Shot First]

Andrastee wrote...

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

We don't know.

While we don't for sure, it does look likely that the player character will be a Tal-Vashoth. The character has a first and last name rather than a title, and since Qunari have titles rather than personal names (ex. Sten), that seems to suggest a Tal Vashoth. Also a Qunari PC can be female or a mage, two things that wouldn't be possible lore-wise if the player character was a devotee of the Qun.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Personally I wish fans would use Oxmen instead of Kossith, when they feel a need to use a more specific term than Qunari. It is more accurate apparently than Kossith, and far less obscure. A new person to the forum is likely to react to some of the thread titles here by asking, "What the hell is a Kossith?"

'Oxmen' only describes half of them. 'Oxpeople' would be better.

[The Elder King]

Andrastee wrote...

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

We don't know.

We know that we'll not play as a member of the Qun, Allan confirmed this. We don't know if we'll play as a Vashoth or a Tal-VAshoth.

[Taleroth]

Han Shot First wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

We don't know.

While we don't for sure, it does look likely that the player character will be a Tal-Vashoth. The character has a first and last name rather than a title, and since Qunari have titles rather than personal names (ex. Sten), that seems to suggest a Tal Vashoth. Also a Qunari PC can be female or a mage, two things that wouldn't be possible lore-wise if the player character was a devotee of the Qun.

I don't know if this is an official thing or just something someone made up in another thread that sounded nice, but it actually sounds like they'll be Vashoth. Or, to be precise, a Qunari that was born outside the Qun. As opposed to one that abandoned the Qun.

[Am1vf]

Xilizhra wrote...

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

It could also be a bas oxman/woman. Meaning, was never a part of the Qun. Edit: I've been ninja'd hard with this one .

Han Shot First wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

It's easier just to call them Oxmen and Oxwomen.

Personally I wish fans would use Oxmen instead of Kossith, when they feel a need to use a more specific term than Qunari. It is more accurate apparently than Kossith, and far less obscure. A new person to the forum is likely to react to some of the thread titles here by asking, "What the hell is a Kossith?"

How about horny people?

I used to think that the term Kossith was well known. Since it seems that it isn't I've already decided to stop using it.

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

You're right! We shoud call everyone Thedosians and end with all this confusion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Well yes that would be as innacurate as calling the Qunari Kossith. xx

Or calling the Oxmen Qunari.

Edit:

Andrastee wrote...

Personally I wish fans would use Oxmen instead of Kossith, when they feel a need to use a more specific term than Qunari. It is more accurate apparently than Kossith, and far less obscure. A new person to the forum is likely to react to some of the thread titles here by asking, "What the hell is a Kossith?"

'Oxmen' only describes half of them. 'Oxpeople' would be better.

Agreed.

Modifié par Am1_vf, 04 septembre 2013 - 05:01 .

[mikeymoonshine]

Am1_vf wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

It could also be a bas oxman/woman. Meaning, was never a part of the Qun.

Han Shot First wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

It's easier just to call them Oxmen and Oxwomen.

Personally I wish fans would use Oxmen instead of Kossith, when they feel a need to use a more specific term than Qunari. It is more accurate apparently than Kossith, and far less obscure. A new person to the forum is likely to react to some of the thread titles here by asking, "What the hell is a Kossith?"

How about horny people?

I used to think that the term Kossith was well known. Since it seems that it isn't I've already decided to stop using it.

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

You're right! We shoud call everyone Thedosians and end with all this confusion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Well yes that would be as innacurate as calling the Qunari Kossith. xx

Or calling the Oxmen Qunari.

They are Qunari :/ and you are just messing with me now.

[Han Shot First]

Taleroth wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

In short, it's Tal-Vashoth who are playable, yes?

We don't know.

While we don't for sure, it does look likely that the player character will be a Tal-Vashoth. The character has a first and last name rather than a title, and since Qunari have titles rather than personal names (ex. Sten), that seems to suggest a Tal Vashoth. Also a Qunari PC can be female or a mage, two things that wouldn't be possible lore-wise if the player character was a devotee of the Qun.

I don't know if this is an official thing or just something someone made up in another thread that sounded nice, but it actually sounds like they'll be Vashoth. Or, to be precise, a Qunari that was born outside the Qun. As opposed to one that abandoned the Qun.

Interesting. That's the first I recall seeing 'Vashoth.'

Does anyone know where this was mentioned? I was under the impression that the Qunari didn't make distinctions between whether or not a member of their species abandoned or was born outside the Qun, and they'd all be viewed equally as Tal-Vashoth and apostates.

[Chala]

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. 

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

You're right! We shoud call everyone Thedosians and end with all this confusion. :lol:

But the horned oxmen are not from Thedas

[Am1vf]

mikeymoonshine wrote...
(...)

They are Qunari :/ and you are just messing with me now.

Only for the rest of thedas. If you called a oxman tal-vashot Quinari someone would probably feel offended, be it the Qunari, the Tal-Vashot or both.

Edit:

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Hawke: More Qunari!
Tallis: Tal-Vashoth!
Hawke: You know what I mean!
Context. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Tallis is Qunari though she would view them as Tal-Vashoth and no longer Qunari and that is how a Tal-Vashoth would view himself or herself but Tal-Vashoth are still Qunari. 

Qunari is a name for the race of horned people but Qunari also describes the religion and anyone involved in Qunari culture. 

There is no reason to have a name for the Qunari Race because to all who are not Qunari the horned people are Qunari. 

nothing goes unnamed so there is no need for Kossith.

You're right! We shoud call everyone Thedosians and end with all this confusion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

But the horned oxmen are not from Thedas [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/alien.png[/smilie]

... touché. You got me there.

Modifié par Am1_vf, 04 septembre 2013 - 05:04 .

[Han Shot First]

Andrastee wrote...

Personally I wish fans would use Oxmen instead of Kossith, when they feel a need to use a more specific term than Qunari. It is more accurate apparently than Kossith, and far less obscure. A new person to the forum is likely to react to some of the thread titles here by asking, "What the hell is a Kossith?"

'Oxmen' only describes half of them. 'Oxpeople' would be better.

Oxmen might be a bit sexist, but it does describe the race and not just one gender. As an example Humanity was sometimes called the Race of Man, and humans Men.