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[Kaiser of Hearts]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

If they didn't want people using the term Kossith, and claim that it is inacurate, then why does world of Thedas basically say the exact opposite and calls the term Qunari inaccurate and and Kossith accurate.

World of Thedas vol 1, standard edition, pg.40:

"There is another race, relatively new to Thedas, that most people call Qunari....
However, the label 'Qunari' more accurately refers to a follower of the religious text known as the Qun, regardless of his or her race.. The horned race's ancient name is kossith. This term is outside scholarly circles."not widely used or even widely known."

So, the common human in Thedas is not familiar with the term, so that is why they are all called Qunari regardless. But claiming that Kossith is inaccurate and then writing that in world of Thedas is just inconsistent.
Anyway, I will accept the term Qunari to describe the race, but will not use it to describe the race myself.

 

Because the writters themselves clarified that Kossith refered to the Horned race in the same way Qunari does now.

Yeah. I get that, but I personally will not use the term Qunari to describe the race.

I will use the term Qunari when describing a follower of the religion regardless of their actual race.
I will use the term Tal-Vashoth to describe a former member of the religion that went against the Qun and no longer follows it regardless of their actual race.

But when I want to specifically describe a tall, gray-skinned, white-haired, muscular being with horns growing out of their head, I will use the term Kossith.   

Kossith, Kossith, Kossith.

Effectively adding to the confusion. But if that's what you want to do, that's what you want to do. 

[mikeymoonshine]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

If they didn't want people using the term Kossith, and claim that it is inacurate, then why does world of Thedas basically say the exact opposite and calls the term Qunari inaccurate and and Kossith accurate.

World of Thedas vol 1, standard edition, pg.40:

"There is another race, relatively new to Thedas, that most people call Qunari....
However, the label 'Qunari' more accurately refers to a follower of the religious text known as the Qun, regardless of his or her race.. The horned race's ancient name is kossith. This term is outside scholarly circles."not widely used or even widely known."

So, the common human in Thedas is not familiar with the term, so that is why they are all called Qunari regardless. But claiming that Kossith is inaccurate and then writing that in world of Thedas is just inconsistent.
Anyway, I will accept the term Qunari to describe the race, but will not use it to describe the race myself.

 

Because the writters themselves clarified that Kossith refered to the Horned race in the same way Qunari does now.

Yeah. I get that, but I personally will not use the term Qunari to describe the race.

I will use the term Qunari when describing a follower of the religion regardless of their actual race.
I will use the term Tal-Vashoth to describe a former member of the religion that went against the Qun and no longer follows it regardless of their actual race.

But when I want to specifically describe a tall, gray-skinned, white-haired, muscular being with horns growing out of their head, I will use the term Kossith.   

Kossith, Kossith, Kossith.

Tbh I don't see the Qun as any worse than the ideas of the chantry or any religion. 

[The Elder King]

fchopin wrote...

I hope the writers explain what kind of qunari we will be playing as i don't want another DA2 where nothing is explained. I want to play a game where i can use my mind instead of shutting a part of my mind so i don't have to think so i can play the game.

Allan already stated that our qunari PC will not be part of the Qun.

[sandalisthemaker]

And anyway, using the term Qunari to describe the race also breeds confusion.
So many people on this forum have wondered, and some of them still wonder, if they will be a follower of the Qun religion if they choose to play as the tall gray skinned race.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So should I call everyone from the middle east "Mesopotamians"? It would help in distinguishing them from their current imposed state labels and religious names.

[Am1vf]

fchopin wrote...

I hope the writers explain what kind of qunari we will be playing as i don't want another DA2 where nothing is explained. I want to play a game where i can use my mind instead of shutting a part of my mind so i don't have to think so i can play the game.

I might be wrong, but I think they said it was a nonQunari, nonTal-Vashot. Just a hony person born outside the Qun.

[Wissenschaft]

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

If they didn't want people using the term Kossith, and claim that it is inacurate, then why does world of Thedas basically say the exact opposite and calls the term Qunari inaccurate and and Kossith accurate.

World of Thedas vol 1, standard edition, pg.40:

"There is another race, relatively new to Thedas, that most people call Qunari....
However, the label 'Qunari' more accurately refers to a follower of the religious text known as the Qun, regardless of his or her race.. The horned race's ancient name is kossith. This term is outside scholarly circles."not widely used or even widely known."

So, the common human in Thedas is not familiar with the term, so that is why they are all called Qunari regardless. But claiming that Kossith is inaccurate and then writing that in world of Thedas is just inconsistent.
Anyway, I will accept the term Qunari to describe the race, but will not use it to describe the race myself.

 

Because the writters themselves calified that Kossith refered to the Horned race in the same way Qunari does now.

I guess the way it is written would confuse people somewhat. Anything that is not widely used or widely known is no longer an accurate word if it ever was. 

but not everyone is going to understand that. It should have said something like "therefore this word is outdated and innacurate, there is no accurate name to describe the horned people" 

Is this where all the confusion comes from then?

Oh no, it started long before that book. It was because of a codex entry.

 

I've been on the fourms since before DA:O came out and people didn't start insisting on using Kossith on the forum until 
World of Thedas came out.

[TCBC_Freak]

Also, I'm not trying to derail the treat so please lets be mature about it, but calling the Qunari Kossith is kind of racist. The Qunari want to be called Qunari, not kossith, or anything else. They are and want to be called Qunari, that ought to end the debate right there. It's like calling a black person "colored," or a native American and "Indian," even though they are not from India (which we still struggle with in our real world). It is offensive, even though it used to be widely accepted (heck, the NAACP, the C stands for "colored," but is not the term used any more). Now, I hope this doesn't lead people off on a tangent (and maybe I'm just a little softhearted) but I do get offended when people use Kossith, because it is not what Qunari call themselves or want to be called. I also get offended when people use the term "******," to talk about a white person, I'm a human being not a ******, now maybe modern culture doesn't care about offending a white guy as much a Asian or a black guy and so they'll never make someone issue a public apology for using the term ******, but it still offends me. And calling a Qunari a kossith would offend them, in the comic, Arishok (sten) started to get offended because Alistair kept calling him Sten, which wasn't the right word anymore. It'd be like going up to some one who is a four star general and calling them major. They might try and hide it, but it would offend them, because they worked very hard to earn that rank.

TL;DR - The Qunari want to be called Qunari, so lets respect that, and that should end the debate right there. Native American's don't want to be called "Indians," just because it is what they were called in English by some settlers 500 years ago who thought they'd landed in India.

[sandalisthemaker]

Am1_vf wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I hope the writers explain what kind of qunari we will be playing as i don't want another DA2 where nothing is explained. I want to play a game where i can use my mind instead of shutting a part of my mind so i don't have to think so i can play the game.

I might be wrong, but I think they said it was a nonQunari, nonTal-Vashot. Just a hony person born outside the Qun.

Yes, and the confusion comes from using the term Qunari for the race,  when you have characters like Cassandra in DA2 say that Qunari is not a race, it is a religion.

[Am1vf]

Wissenschaft wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

If they didn't want people using the term Kossith, and claim that it is inacurate, then why does world of Thedas basically say the exact opposite and calls the term Qunari inaccurate and and Kossith accurate.

World of Thedas vol 1, standard edition, pg.40:

"There is another race, relatively new to Thedas, that most people call Qunari....
However, the label 'Qunari' more accurately refers to a follower of the religious text known as the Qun, regardless of his or her race.. The horned race's ancient name is kossith. This term is outside scholarly circles."not widely used or even widely known."

So, the common human in Thedas is not familiar with the term, so that is why they are all called Qunari regardless. But claiming that Kossith is inaccurate and then writing that in world of Thedas is just inconsistent.
Anyway, I will accept the term Qunari to describe the race, but will not use it to describe the race myself.

 

Because the writters themselves calified that Kossith refered to the Horned race in the same way Qunari does now.

I guess the way it is written would confuse people somewhat. Anything that is not widely used or widely known is no longer an accurate word if it ever was. 

but not everyone is going to understand that. It should have said something like "therefore this word is outdated and innacurate, there is no accurate name to describe the horned people" 

Is this where all the confusion comes from then?

Oh no, it started long before that book. It was because of a codex entry.

 

I've been on the fourms since before DA:O came out and people didn't start insisting on using Kossith on the forum until 
World of Thedas came out.

No, World of Thedas came out reciently. I'm fairly sure the term kossith was from some Dragon Age 2 codex entry about the origins of the Qun.

[TCBC_Freak]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So should I call everyone from the middle east "Mesopotamians"? It would help in distinguishing them from their current imposed state labels and religious names.

+1, good point

[Wissenschaft]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And anyway, using the term Qunari to describe the race also breeds confusion.
So many people on this forum have wondered, and some of them still wonder, if they will be a follower of the Qun religion if they choose to play as the tall gray skinned race.

 

If they used the term Kossith for the race people would still be wondering if they would be playing a follower of the Qun. So the term solves nothing.

[Am1vf]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Also, I'm not trying to derail the treat so please lets be mature about it, but calling the Qunari Kossith is kind of racist. The Qunari want to be called Qunari, not kossith, or anything else. They are and want to be called Qunari, that ought to end the debate right there. It's like calling a black person "colored," or a native American and "Indian," even though they are not from India (which we still struggle with in our real world). It is offensive, even though it used to be widely accepted (heck, the NAACP, the C stands for "colored," but is not the term used any more). Now, I hope this doesn't lead people off on a tangent (and maybe I'm just a little softhearted) but I do get offended when people use Kossith, because it is not what Qunari call themselves or want to be called. I also get offended when people use the term "******," to talk about a white person, I'm a human being not a ******, now maybe modern culture doesn't care about offending a white guy as much a Asian or a black guy and so they'll never make someone issue a public apology for using the term ******, but it still offends me. And calling a Qunari a kossith would offend them, in the comic, Arishok (sten) started to get offended because Alistair kept calling him Sten, which wasn't the right word anymore. It'd be like going up to some one who is a four star general and calling them major. They might try and hide it, but it would offend them, because they worked very hard to earn that rank.

TL;DR - The Qunari want to be called Qunari, so lets respect that, and that should end the debate right there. Native American's don't want to be called "Indians," just because it is what they were called in English by some settlers 500 years ago who thought they'd landed in India.

Some Qunari want to be called Qunari, but they'll feel insulted if you call the Tal-Vashot Qunari.

[TCBC_Freak]

Wissenschaft wrote...


I've been on the fourms since before DA:O came out and people didn't start insisting on using Kossith on the forum until 
World of Thedas came out.

Then you weren't paying attention. This has been an "issue" since DA:O, and really came to a head in DA:2 because of how much more the Qunari played a part in that game.

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 04 septembre 2013 - 06:26 .

[fchopin]

Am1_vf wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I hope the writers explain what kind of qunari we will be playing as i don't want another DA2 where nothing is explained. I want to play a game where i can use my mind instead of shutting a part of my mind so i don't have to think so i can play the game.

I might be wrong, but I think they said it was a nonQunari, nonTal-Vashot. Just a hony person born outside the Qun.

Yes but where did the qunari without horns come from?

[Wissenschaft]

Am1_vf wrote...
No, World of Thedas came out reciently. I'm fairly sure the term kossith was from some Dragon Age 2 codex entry about the origins of the Qun.

  

Indeed, but people insiniting on using Kossith is very recent. As in this year. Theres a codex from DA 2 where the term started to be used but its only intesified since World of Thedas came out.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 04 septembre 2013 - 06:27 .

[mikeymoonshine]

Wissenschaft wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

I guess the way it is written would confuse people somewhat. Anything that is not widely used or widely known is no longer an accurate word if it ever was. 

but not everyone is going to understand that. It should have said something like "therefore this word is outdated and innacurate, there is no accurate name to describe the horned people" 

Is this where all the confusion comes from then?

 

They did try to say what you just said. I suspect they did not realize that people would jump on the term Kossith and start using it incorrectly. After all, this is one short line in a large book. So prehaps they could have worded it more clearly but likely they didn't it was necessary. 

Tal-Vashoth has more implied meaning than just a former memeber of the Qun but if you want to miss use that term as well, go ahead.

yeah, Can't blame them for that.  I never found any of this particularly confusing but I can see why others do.

To be honest there is still allot I do not know about the Qunari, There is only so much I have read but Tal-Vashoth means True Grey ones pretty much doesn't it and is generally those who have left live a life specifically against the Qun ? Vashoth are just all those who have left so Vashoth would be a more accurate term I guess if I have that right. 

[Kaiser of Hearts]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And anyway, using the term Qunari to describe the race also breeds confusion.
So many people on this forum have wondered, and some of them still wonder, if they will be a follower of the Qun religion if they choose to play as the tall gray skinned race.

If there is context, then there shouldn't be much confusion.  If you can't realise that we play as the qunari race after they say we can play as the race qunari whilst showing a picture of a Qunari, then I don't even know. 

[Am1vf]

fchopin wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I hope the writers explain what kind of qunari we will be playing as i don't want another DA2 where nothing is explained. I want to play a game where i can use my mind instead of shutting a part of my mind so i don't have to think so i can play the game.

I might be wrong, but I think they said it was a nonQunari, nonTal-Vashot. Just a hony person born outside the Qun.

Yes but where did the qunari without horns come from?

It's one of those recessive genes. Try not to compicate this more will you (or do, if you feel like it:devil:).

Wissenschaft wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...
No, World of Thedas came out reciently. I'm fairly sure the term kossith was from some Dragon Age 2 codex entry about the origins of the Qun.

  

Indeed, but people insiniting on using Kossith is very recent. As in this year. Theres a codex from DA 2 where the term started to be used but its only intesified since World of Thedas came out.

I don't know what people are you refering to, but i remember posts with kossith in them during the sh!tstorm of DA2 launch. That's when I picked it up because it seemed useful (as now I'm dropping it because it's not as useful as I thought).

[sandalisthemaker]

Kaiser of Hearts wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And anyway, using the term Qunari to describe the race also breeds confusion.
So many people on this forum have wondered, and some of them still wonder, if they will be a follower of the Qun religion if they choose to play as the tall gray skinned race.

If there is context, then there shouldn't be much confusion.  If you can't realise that we play as the qunari race after they say we can play as the race qunari whilst showing a picture of a Qunari, then I don't even know. 

I personally realize, but when you have a religion called the Qun, whose followers call themselves Qunari, and other characters in the series say that the Qun is a religion, not a race, and then the race proceeds to be called Qunari, it can be confusing. 
The term kossith really is not confusing.  Being a non-Qun following *Qun*ari is.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 04 septembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[fchopin]

Am1_vf wrote...
It's one of those recessive genes. Try not to compicate this more will you (or do, if you feel like it:devil:).

I will keep my mouth shut for now.

[Wissenschaft]

Am1_vf wrote...

I don't know what people are you refering to, but i remember posts with kossith in them during the sh!tstorm of DA2 launch. That's when I picked it up because it seemed useful (as now I'm dropping it because it's not as useful as I thought).

 

Ah well, I was busy playing the game back then. lol Prehaps it was in more use than I realize.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 04 septembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[Wissenschaft]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Kaiser of Hearts wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And anyway, using the term Qunari to describe the race also breeds confusion.
So many people on this forum have wondered, and some of them still wonder, if they will be a follower of the Qun religion if they choose to play as the tall gray skinned race.

If there is context, then there shouldn't be much confusion.  If you can't realise that we play as the qunari race after they say we can play as the race qunari whilst showing a picture of a Qunari, then I don't even know. 

I personally realize, but when you have a religion called the Qun, whose followers call themselves Qunari, and other characters in the series say that the Qun is a religion, not a race, and then the race proceeds to be called Qunari, it can be confusing. 
The term kossith really is not confusing.  Being a non-Qun following *Qun*ari is.

 

No more than being a jewish person who doesn't practice Judism. 

[Am1vf]

fchopin wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...
It's one of those recessive genes. Try not to compicate this more will you (or do, if you feel like it:devil:).

I will keep my mouth shut for now.

Oh... I was hoping you'd go for the complicate it more route. 

Seriusly now, I don't mean don't ask or anything. It's just that we're struggling with to name the muscular people with horns and you mention that some don't have horns, it's like smoking in the gas station XD