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[Mr. Gerbz]

Shiun Touya wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

'One of them'? You mean, one of those people with a good music taste? Then yes. I like a lot of music styles (from Irish folk to Sex Pistols to Muse to Rammstein to Vive la Fête... Etc), usually what one would call alternative. All the **** mtv shows (rap, hiphop, pop, RnB) is pure bollocks. And you have to admit it's usually the less intelligent people listening to that kind of music.
I also loathe the fact those styles are based so much on what you wear and how you act. Pathetic untalented rappers calling themselves 'gangstas'. Pfft. I'd like to see them in a brawl with the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. Luckily for them those people are old/dead now.

First off, I meant 'one of those cultural overlords who somehow OBJECTIVELY knows what music is good and what isn't'. You're magical ****s. Some call you pretentious. Others call you obnoxious. Me...Me I just call you fascinating.

Anyway, judging a genre based on its commercial industry, especially at the MTV level, is pretty irrational. Most of the music I enjoy isn't ever likely to appear on any channel, save maybe Current TV.

I grew up on Hip Hop, and, as you can see from my Last.FM profile, I also  know a lot of Punk, classical, Folk, Metal, Alternative, Pop, Electrinica, etc. I also play guitar, but I don't see how you can objectively conclude that composing lyrics doesn't ever require any talent.

It saddens me to see a 'punk' speak as you have. You remind me of the anti-punks atmosphere of the 70's (and today). Also, pretty much every punk I know ( know A LOT), listen to Rap and Hip Hop. Expand your horizons.

Listen to this and explain to me how ridiculous the 'gangsta' facade is:

I can't stand people who claim to somehow have a superior standing when it comes to tastes and opinions. Is it really hard to like something just because you like it? Seriously, I don't understand why they go out of their way to feel better about their own tastes by claiming how superior theirs are and how stupid is everyone else for liking something they don't.

Personally, I don't like rap, specially not the ones with lyrics about sex and violence. Wasn't hip hop all about cultural messages? I like that part of it and it saddens me that after its commercialization it has lost it's soul completely.

Looking at MTV for 5 minutes really makes it hard not to feel superior.

[LucidStrike]

Shiun Touya wrote...

I can't stand people who claim to somehow have a superior standing when it comes to tastes and opinions. Is it really hard to like something just because you like it? Seriously, I don't understand why they go out of their way to feel better about their own tastes by claiming how superior theirs are and how stupid is everyone else for liking something they don't.

Personally, I don't like rap, specially not the ones with lyrics about sex and violence. Wasn't hip hop all about cultural messages? I like that part of it and it saddens me that after its commercialization it has lost it's soul completely.

It's alive in the underground, as with most music-based subcultures. Pretty much everything ever produced by any subculture is neutralized and diluted at the mass cultural level. There's a huge drop in socio-political relevance from Crass and Conflict to The Sex Pistols and The Clash. Basically all the rap I listen to is about socio-political commentary.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:58 .

[LatinaLuvsMassEffect]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

LatinaLuvsMassEffect wrote...

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Modifié par LatinaLuvsMassEffect, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:57 .

[LucidStrike]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Looking at MTV for 5 minutes really makes it hard not to feel superior.

...Why are you watching MTV at all?

[DeathCultArm]

It's sad when rap is nomintaed for like 30 grammies and, metal has one category. Children are growing up imitading all the criminal rappers they see. No one wants to pick up a guitar, or a instruemnt. Instead they want to buy a chain and rap about things they've never done. Even the decent rap, still boils down to the same thing.



Not that MTV is setting a decent precedent with all the good charoltte, GD, fallout out boy crap they play.

[Schneidend]

Hur hur. Let's judge "rap" based only on what we see in the mainstream. Surely, that'll lead to an informed opinion on the subject.

[Mr. Gerbz]

LucidStrike wrote...

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Looking at MTV for 5 minutes really makes it hard not to feel superior.

...Why are you watching MTV at all?

To feel superior.
And I have to check once a year if they have finally come to their senses yet.

P.S.: That Snoop Dog guy is the only one I am willing to admit has some talent.

Modifié par Mr. Gerbz, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:01 .

[LucidStrike]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Even the decent rap, still boils down to the same thing.

Which is..?

Anyway, to hell with the Grammys and MTV. Mass consumer culture FTL.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:00 .

[Marlina]

LucidStrike wrote...

Friend, try not to brush it off like that. Perspective is a very important factor in all this.

It's not unusual for white people to be less concerned about how they're identified concerning race and ethnicity. Invisible knapsack phenomenon. Here's a somewhat related video:

Of course, there's also culture, and your's is obviously different. That said, I've heard vastly different accounts of race politics in Northern Europe. Some, for instance, say it isn't a huge deal for the simple fact that it isn't really that "diverse".

Now, also on the matter of perspective, I wouldn't assume you were being racist. The fact that you were confused illustrates just how irrational the concept of race is to begin with. That said, i can't speak for that individual. Different perspectives. Different perceptions. Just keep that in mind. Also, never brush things things off. Can't stress that enough. Learn. Always learn.

Yeah, I've learned that I ought to be VERY careful if I happen to be talking to someone who's not white.  
I just think it's silly, I don't care about people's ethnicity. Why so touchy-touchy? I guess I can understand it if he's been traumatized by racists all his life, but in this case I just feel like I did nothing wrong. I would've asked a white person the exact same question. (In fact, I mistook him for a white person!)

It's like I have to be extremely careful not to step on any toes, and actually discriminate people on the background of their ethnicity. In this case, what was the alternative? Go "nah, he's hispanic, better not ask him, he might get violent"? I'd say that's much more racist.

And I think the fact that I still remember the incident makes it pretty clear that I haven't just "brushed it off". I just had to laugh a bit back then, since his accusations were so absurd. It's like earlier in this thread when someone called you "whitey", it's just funny, because it's just so wrong! 

By the way, while I am "white", people of mixed ethnicities have actually thought me to be from, get this, Morocco! Weird, huh? There was also this swedish black woman who just couldn't quite grasp that I was from Norway, she was like "NO WAY!" Funny.
I mean, sure, I don't have blue eyes or blonde hair, but...  Even more funny, when I asked her where SHE was from, she went "Sweden, of course!" I didn't press the issue. 

[anon_04111]

All this talk about which music genre is better is all for nothing anyway because the best song ever; 1999 by Prince, has already been made.

[DeathCultArm]

I just can't see rap as a true music form. It's like comparing porn to an acutal motion picture. You "spit" some line, pay a producer to make a beat...and...that's it. The process of a band making an album is a complete process. The producer doesn't just send you beats, it's a process. You have to depend on band members to make an equal contribution. The lyircs aren't as shallow and....I just can't respect it...but....that's just me.

[LatinaLuvsMassEffect]

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Modifié par LatinaLuvsMassEffect, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:07 .

[Mr. Gerbz]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I just can't see rap as a true music form. It's like comparing porn to an acutal motion picture. You "spit" some line, pay a producer to make a beat...and...that's it. The process of a band making an album is a complete process. The producer doesn't just send you beats, it's a process. You have to depend on band members to make an equal contribution. The lyircs aren't as shallow and....I just can't respect it...but....that's just me.

No it's not just you. It's a lot of people, including me. Having been in bands myself (playing electric guitar 6 years), and still being active in the scene. We had some rappers come watch us practice, and they were very surprised at everything we needed (several guitars, drums, etc). All they needed was an amateurish beat-making program.

[RoninOmega]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Chaos you are an obvious troll

And you're an obvious ******.

Ahaha thats funny even tho im asian


notice his name had 4 k's...

Modifié par RoninOmega, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[DeathCultArm]

That's why rappers seem second rate. How can you be a musician, much less an artist if all you do is "rap"...not even sing, but just rhyme.

[LucidStrike]

Marlina wrote...
Yeah, I've learned that I ought to be VERY careful if I happen to be talking to someone who's not white.  
I just think it's silly, I don't care about people's ethnicity. Why so touchy-touchy? I guess I can understand it if he's been traumatized by racists all his life, but in this case I just feel like I did nothing wrong. I would've asked a white person the exact same question. (In fact, I mistook him for a white person!)

It's like I have to be extremely careful not to step on any toes, and actually discriminate people on the background of their ethnicity. In this case, what was the alternative? Go "nah, he's hispanic, better not ask him, he might get violent"? I'd say that's much more racist.

And I think the fact that I still remember the incident makes it pretty clear that I haven't just "brushed it off". I just had to laugh a bit back then, since his accusations were so absurd. It's like earlier in this thread when someone called you "whitey", it's just funny, because it's just so wrong! 

By the way, while I am "white", people of mixed ethnicities have actually thought me to be from, get this, Morocco! Weird, huh? There was also this swedish black woman who just couldn't quite grasp that I was from Norway, she was like "NO WAY!" Funny.
I mean, sure, I don't have blue eyes or blonde hair, but...  Even more funny, when I asked her where SHE was from, she went "Sweden, of course!" I didn't press the issue. 

Don't be too "careful".

Some white people think it's good to be "color blind", but being color blind means pretending racism doesn't exist. Don't be color blind. Just kep in mind the different perspectives their are and how they come into play.

Also, walkin' on egg shells around people can be offensive. That sounds weird, but, actually, walkin' on egg shells makes people feel like you feel that being around them makes you uncomfortable or anxious. It also makes it seems like you're thoughts are so racist that you have to put a lot of extra effort into keep it inside.

Another thing about that. SOMETIMES (SOMEtimes), it's better to say things aloud that MAY be offensive, if you aren't sure. Sometimes, keeping such things to yourself can be a kind of defense mechanism and consequently protects youre prejudices from being critiqued and addressed.

This all applies to any privilege, from male privilege to heterosexual privilege.

By brush off, I mean writting off that person's concerns as absurd. You have to consider it from that person's perspective.

Also, oppression doesn't just take the form of Neo-****'s and lynch mobs. Don't think that the only time racism is an issue is when someone is in immediate physical danger. There are entire socio-political systems  for oppression, and they can be very subtle at times, especially to those who aren't targeted by them.

It all takes a lifetime.

[RoninOmega]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I just can't see rap as a true music form. It's like comparing porn to an acutal motion picture. You "spit" some line, pay a producer to make a beat...and...that's it. The process of a band making an album is a complete process. The producer doesn't just send you beats, it's a process. You have to depend on band members to make an equal contribution. The lyircs aren't as shallow and....I just can't respect it...but....that's just me.

Bad comparison imo, most rap is trash, but I don't hate the genre in general, there are some rap there that are actually well made.

[TheDove]

inB4 off topic.

[DeathCultArm]

It doesn't matter "good" any rapper is it doesn't contain any of the qualities associated with what I consider good music...or music at all. Rap is too defensve, and hypocritical.

[anon_04111]

TheDove wrote...

inB4 off topic.

You're a bit late, we're about +2 pages of off topic rambling.

[TheDove]

anon_04111 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

inB4 off topic.

You're a bit late, we're about +2 pages of off topic rambling.

I know. I contributed to that +2 pages.

[Schneidend]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I just can't see rap as a true music form. It's like comparing porn to an acutal motion picture. You "spit" some line, pay a producer to make a beat...and...that's it. The process of a band making an album is a complete process. The producer doesn't just send you beats, it's a process. You have to depend on band members to make an equal contribution. The lyircs aren't as shallow and....I just can't respect it...but....that's just me.

"The lyrics aren't as shallow"? Exactly what piece of music are we using as a basis for comparison? 50 Cent's "Magic Stick" versus ANY LED ZEPPELIN SONG EVER? That'd be like pitting a five year-old against Mike Tyson in a bare knuckle boxing match. If you're considering anything you see on MTV as ammunition against hip hop, then you're sadly uninformed.

Mr. Gerbz wrote...
No it's not just you. It's a lot of people, including me. Having been in bands myself (playing electric guitar 6 years), and still being active in the scene. We had some rappers come watch us practice, and they were very surprised at everything we needed (several guitars, drums, etc). All they needed was an amateurish beat-making program.

So, because you have to lug around a bunch of heavy stuff, your brand of music is superior. Gotcha.

[LucidStrike]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

I just can't see rap as a true music form. It's like comparing porn to an acutal motion picture. You "spit" some line, pay a producer to make a beat...and...that's it. The process of a band making an album is a complete process. The producer doesn't just send you beats, it's a process. You have to depend on band members to make an equal contribution. The lyircs aren't as shallow and....I just can't respect it...but....that's just me.

No it's not just you. It's a lot of people, including me. Having been in bands myself (playing electric guitar 6 years), and still being active in the scene. We had some rappers come watch us practice, and they were very surprised at everything we needed (several guitars, drums, etc). All they needed was an amateurish beat-making program.

Music is sound that illicits an emotional response, in the most general sense. Rapping is as much a form of music as singing is, only less dependent on melody.

Your argument about rappers without instruments siunds vaguely like an analog-based producer criticizing a digital producer or a luddite pissed off about the advent of computers (not the BEST analogies, but meh). For some people, it's more about the finished product, the music itself, than the proces of making it. It also can take talent to compose a good song, even digitally, as the computer is itself an instrument. ALSO, what do you make of rock vocalists who don't play instruments? Same critique of them?

I've heard shallow rock lyrics, as well as deep ones. I've heard shallow rap lyrics, as well as deep ones. It happens. What's with the double standards?

It's more than about the fact that you play an instrument. I also play, as do a lot of people I know, and we're not defensive about it as you are.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:27 .

[anon_04111]

TheDove wrote...

anon_04111 wrote...

TheDove wrote...

inB4 off topic.

You're a bit late, we're about +2 pages of off topic rambling.

I know. I contributed to that +2 pages.

Awwwwwww yeah!

[DeathCultArm]

I've heard Lupe Fiasco, and Common, and crap like that, and it's boring. Rappers only show aggression and whatnot through lyrics, not the actual music. They can't make anything heavy without throwing in a few hundread obscentities. It's just the same 20 second beat over and over. And it you don't pertian to a certian demographic you can't understand rap. Rock transcends culutre, and region. Music evoke emotion, rap evokes....violence.

Modifié par DeathCultArm, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:27 .