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[Schneidend]

DeathCultArm wrote...
I understand it was a child soldier song. But how ironic is it when a rapper thinks out side the box, it still consitst of thing in said box.

Violence and conflict are integral facets of human nature. There are also plenty of rock songs about violent things, most of which about bleating about how the man is unfair and everybody should start breaking and burning stuff instead of anything as meaningful as the child soldier rap.

[RoninOmega]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Everyting i've said has been true. If you expect me to know every rapper ever, well.. I'm afraid it's a feat not yet accomplished. And a genre can't be too great, if you have to dig so deep for quality music.

I understand it was a child soldier song. But how ironic is it when a rapper thinks out side the box, it still consitst of thing in said box.

And sure being good at rapping requires some form of talnet, but majority of them are quite sucessful w/o any. Yeah it becomes a little harder to get your point acrorss, when you're attacked by most of the thread...weird, huh?

Never said you had to dig deep to find the good ones  

but you can't really judge a genre as a whole based on a few artists you've listened too(let alone, the few songs you heard from them...), just like me, not judging that country as a whole isn't bad, just that some of it doesn't get to me as easily either...  I still don't judge the majority only based off a few bad examples.

It's still violence eitherway, but it wasn't trash atleast imo, the good example I could say was at least not everything centered around violence should automatically be marked as trash.  Plus there is many many other songs out there that are of a totally different genre, and their whole basis is dependent on violence, not all, but some metal are an example, never said if you did or didn't like that genre though, but just saying...  theres worse kinds out there of violence that are of a totally alien genre to this one.

if their quite sucessful w/o any talent, then why do you always say otherwise


For both sides, everyone has different tastes, but can't really justify whether an opinion is right or wrong, it's only what everyone's unique point of view is on the subject.

Modifié par RoninOmega, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:36 .

[sinosleep]

More ignorance from you. IF you knew anything about anything you'd know that there is a difference between rap and hip hop. But since you are ignorant of the facts, of course you wouldn't know.

[LucidStrike]

Marlina wrote...
Yeah, I know you're not attacking me, don't worry! I'm not as weak-skinned as a certain guy I met. 

To me, it WAS an isolated, insular issue. I've never ever been accused of something like that before, and I've never met someone as irritable as this guy. Like I said, I understand that I needed to view it from his perspective, but he wouldn't let me. Besides, come on, cut a random clerk some slack, I was working my ass off! 

And really, I'm not racist. Really. You don't believe me?  I get what you're saying, but humans aren't perfect, we ought to accept that. Perhaps I'm like 0.001% racist, without even knowing it, but I think that's nitpicking. 

One thing though: Do you suppose that, as long as someone considers something racist/sexist/whatever, it is? I find that sort of silly. I mean, if I, for some weird reason, consider your opinions racist, then would it be like that, even though i have no logic to justify my claims?

It's not isolated. I wasn't saying isolated as in only occuring once for you but as in seperate from the rest of the world. It wasn't. That person has to deal with the rest of the world, just as you do. There were social dynamics at play beyond just you two. You can't just frame it as some individual deciding for no reason at all to pick on you for no earthly reason. That's kinda egocentric.

Maybe that inidvidual was especially irritable, but that doesn't mean you can brush it off as that individual just being a jerk. It's not like irritable people are inherently incapable of recognizing or percieving racism.

I don't think you get what I mean when you can't decide that. You can't rationally conclude that you aren't racist anymore than you can tell me what I'm seeing right now or what dream I had last night. It's simply not in your power. Chalk it up to not being omniscient.

Also, saying that it's okay to be a litle racist is hella offensive. There's some racism right there. So, yeah, you're not completely free of racism, and that's not okay, but it's understandable. I think it's possible to destroy racism, and it will reuire the will to do what's necessary, including having conversations like this one.

I didn't say that anything anyone says is offensive or oppressive is. I said that it may be and that, regardless of its truth value, such claims should be treated with the seriousness they deserve, just as (said this before pretty much) I'm not going to turn away someone who says they've been sexually assaulted, even if they seem to be joking or lying.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:38 .

[Marlina]

Why do you guys keep arguing about music genres anyway? It's all subjective!

DeathCultArm doesn't like rap, so what? Just ignore him.

[DeathCultArm]

Schneidend wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
I understand it was a child soldier song. But how ironic is it when a rapper thinks out side the box, it still consitst of thing in said box.

Violence and conflict are integral facets of human nature. There are also plenty of rock songs about violent things, most of which about bleating about how the man is unfair and everybody should start breaking and burning stuff instead of anything as meaningful as the child soldier rap.

.....no. Most rock songs have nothing to do with violence. And the metal ones always aren't either. And they have more meaning than a song about child soldiers.

[sinosleep]

RoninOmega wrote...

For both sides, everyone has different tastes, but can't really justify whether an opinion is right or wrong, it's only what everyone's unique point of view is on the subject.

THis is the problem I've had with him from jump. He's not just stating that he doesn't like rap. He can say that all he wants. He's actively going out and saying 1.) everyone who listens to rap must be some hood rat gangster all about the cheddar or they won't understand it 2.) it's all about nothing but violence and drugs 3.) the majority of rappers/producers have no talent to speak of. And yet if this was true, shouldn't he be able to use the tools I've provided for him and quickly come up with a servicible (notice I'm not even saying a good one) beat and lyrics to go with them? 

He's not arguing his dislike of the genre, he's simply making things up as he goes along.

[DeathCultArm]

sinosleep wrote...

More ignorance from you. IF you knew anything about anything you'd know that there is a difference between rap and hip hop. But since you are ignorant of the facts, of course you wouldn't know.

I guess orange, and red-orange are completely different to. Screw it, I don't even care anymore. Everyone has the right to listen to inferor music if they choose.

Modifié par DeathCultArm, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:43 .

[RoninOmega]

Marlina wrote...

Why do you guys keep arguing about music genres anyway? It's all subjective!
DeathCultArm doesn't like rap, so what? Just ignore him.

It's all subjective yes...  but this is a pretty fun thread.  It might get locked but I want to see the admin's reaction first lol

and im not actually against's deathcult's opinion, like I said in my other posts, but way too many people kind of stereotype the genre... besides... this is like, one of the few threads where I saw rap actually get defended ALOT, and in a good way for a change  so I want to atleast play fair 

and I've never seen a thead in a bioware forum grow out of a music genre debate, hehe

Modifié par RoninOmega, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:45 .

[sinosleep]

Marlina wrote...

Why do you guys keep arguing about music genres anyway? It's all subjective!
DeathCultArm doesn't like rap, so what? Just ignore him.

Cause that's not what he's saying. If that's all he had said I would have never posted in reply to him. He's going on and on about talent, or lack thereof then falling back on not being an expert as an excuse. If it requires no talent than you shouldn't need to be an expert to be good at it right? I want a beat and some lyrics.

[LucidStrike]

DeathCultArm wrote...

.....no. Most rock songs have nothing to do with violence. And the metal ones always aren't either. And they have more meaning than a song about child soldiers.

"Most"? You've heard most Rock? On the radio and in FYE? Your mainstream illusions of grandeur. LOL.

Seriously though, what's more important than bringing attention to the issue of child soldiers? That's weird, even for you.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:45 .

[Radahldo]

[quote]TheDove wrote...

[quote]Marlina wrote...

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*Marlina wrote stuff here*
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omg, Marlina I didnt even recognize you! Its me, Dove, from the old forums? Remember? We had that thing where we talked in BOLD? Good times, right?

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I REMEMBER!

[DeathCultArm]

Who cares about child soldeirs? They don't effect me in any way. Issues that effect me peronally are going to speak more to me more than child soldiers. And it has nothing to do with it.

[Vamp44]

Panamanian here!

[DeathCultArm]

I wish I could continue this thread, I really do..I would've gave examples of said songs, and comparisons, and demonstrated how easy it is to rap, and what. But it's late...

[sinosleep]

LucidStrike wrote...

"Most"? You've heard most Rock? On the radio and in FYE? Your mainstream illusions of grandeur. LOL.

Seriously though, what's more important than bringing attention to the issue of child soldiers? That's weird, even for you.

Probably this by his beloved Ramones

Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go I wanna be sedated

Nothin' to do and no where to go-o-oh I wanna be sedated

Just get me to the airport put me on a plane

Hurry hurry hurry before I go insane

I can't control my fingers I can't control my brain

Oh no no no no no

Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go....

Just put me in a wheelchair, get me on a plane

Hurry hurry hurry before I go insane

I can't control my fingers I can't control my brain

Oh no no no no no

Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go I wanna be sedated

Nothin' to do and no where to go-o-o I wanna be sedated

Just put me in a wheelchair get me to the show

Hurry hurry hurry before I go loco

I can't control my fingers I can't control my toes

Oh no no no no no

Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go...

Just put me in a wheelchair...

Ba-ba-bamp-ba ba-ba-ba-bamp-ba I wanna be sedated

Ba-ba-bamp-ba ba-ba-ba-bamp-ba I wanna be sedated

Ba-ba-bamp-ba ba-ba-ba-bamp-ba I wanna be sedated

Ba-ba-bamp-ba ba-ba-ba-bamp-ba I wanna be sedated




Very deep lyrics there. Far more important than something as trivial and moronic as child soldiers.

p.s I like the song, lol.
p.p.s If I was to argue like Death Cult Arm this is the part where I would say that the song I posted was longer than this, even though it was only 2/3 of a song since I cut out the final verse by a guest rapper. I would then say that that clearly implies that The Ramones were mental midgets compared to the genius that is Lupe Fiasco. And as such rock as whole is simply inferior to rap. But since I'm not a putz, I'll just leave it to the fact that rock lyrics work the way they do because of their format and rap lyrics work the way they do because of theirs.

Modifié par sinosleep, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:57 .

[LucidStrike]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Who cares about child soldeirs? They don't effect me in any way. Issues that effect me peronally are going to speak more to me more than child soldiers. And it has nothing to do with it.

Lack of empathy and a view of the self as the center of the universe. That explains A LOT about DeathCultArm.

Lack of empathy and egocentrism are symptoms of anti-social personality disorder, coincidently, and ASPD is more common than many might believe.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:54 .

[sinosleep]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I wish I could continue this thread, I really do..I would've gave examples of said songs, and comparisons, and demonstrated how easy it is to rap, and what. But it's late...

You mean you're too much of an ignorant coward reliant on stereotypes and flat out lies for the meat of your posts to post anything of value. Hopefully I'll run into you in other threads where I can again hang you with your words and make you awkwardly back track like child.

[Marlina]

LucidStrike wrote...

It's not isolated. I wasn't saying isolated as in only occuring once for you but as in seperate from the rest of the world. It wasn't. That person has to deal with the rest of the world, just as you do. There were social dynamics at play beyond just you two. You can't just frame it as some individual deciding for no reason at all to pick on you for no earthly reason. That's kinda egocentric.

Maybe that inidvidual was especially irritable, but that doesn't mean you can brush it off as that individual just being a jerk. It's not like irritable people are inherently incapable of recognizing or percieving racism.

I don't think you get what I mean when you can't decide that. You can't rationally conclude that you aren't racist anymore than you can tell me what I'm seeing right now or what dream I had last night. It's simply not in your power. Chalk it up to not being omniscient.

Also, saying that it's okay to be a litle racist is hella offensive. There's some racism right there. So, yeah, you're not completely free of racism, and that's not okay, but it's understandable.

I didn't say that anything anyone says is offensive or oppressive is. I said that it may be and that, regardless of its truth value, such claims should be treated with the seriousness they deserve, just as (said this before pretty much) I'm not going to turn away someone who says they've been sexually assaulted, even if they seem to be joking or lying.

He wasn't a jerk, he was an idiot. I blame him for overreacting, because that's what he did.
Fact of the matter is this: He made an assumption about me with no basis in reality. He thought I was thinking of him as a thief. I wasn't. He was WRONG. HE was wrong, not me.

And I'm not saying being racist is fine, I'm just saying that people aren't perfect and that you need to accept this, or I think you'll have a hard time in life. I don't think I'm racist, but you do. Does that make me a bad person? I hope not. Nobody's perfect.

And really, if I go by your line of logic, being offended by ANYTHING has to be taken seriously, even if it's completely irrational and silly. Like, if someone was offended by the color of my skin. That's racism on their part, isn't it? OH WAIT, I JUST DISRESPECTED HIS OPINION ON MY SKIN COLOR, SHAME ON ME! I just think you need to draw a line somewhere, and in my opinion, this customer passed that line. 

[LucidStrike]

sinosleep wrote...

awkwardly back track like child.

Leave children out of this. There's no reason for ageism.

[Atti Ito]

Somehow this topic turned from people arguing about race, to people arguing about music genres...All we need is some porn and you could sum up the internet right here.

[sinosleep]

LucidStrike wrote...

 Leave children out of this. There's no reason for ageism.

I was going to use politician but I figured that would just fly right over his head.

Modifié par sinosleep, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:59 .

[Marlina]

sinosleep wrote...

Cause that's not what he's saying. If that's all he had said I would have never posted in reply to him. He's going on and on about talent, or lack thereof then falling back on not being an expert as an excuse. If it requires no talent than you shouldn't need to be an expert to be good at it right? I want a beat and some lyrics.

That's because he's an idiot (or a troll), and there's no reasoning, or reason to be reasoning with, their kind.  That's what granny always told me, anyways.

Or perhaps it's just his subjective opinion that rap takes no talent. Let it be. He's obviously not going to change his mind, and I don't think he'll change anyone else's either. Sometimes, it's better to just let it go.

Of course, internet forums are all for pointless discussions like this, so do keep up, if it entertains you!  Personally, I find it more gratifying speaking with LucidStrike here.

[LucidStrike]

Marlina wrote...

He wasn't a jerk, he was an idiot. I blame him for overreacting, because that's what he did.
Fact of the matter is this: He made an assumption about me with no basis in reality. He thought I was thinking of him as a thief. I wasn't. He was WRONG. HE was wrong, not me.

And I'm not saying being racist is fine, I'm just saying that people aren't perfect and that you need to accept this, or I think you'll have a hard time in life. I don't think I'm racist, but you do. Does that make me a bad person? I hope not. Nobody's perfect.

And really, if I go by your line of logic, being offended by ANYTHING has to be taken seriously, even if it's completely irrational and silly. Like, if someone was offended by the color of my skin. That's racism on their part, isn't it? OH WAIT, I JUST DISRESPECTED HIS OPINION ON MY SKIN COLOR, SHAME ON ME! I just think you need to draw a line somewhere, and in my opinion, this customer passed that line. 

*Sigh* You got progressively more defensive and consequently more offensive. I've done the same thing before, to very close friends even. I don't expect you to get it overnight. Like I said, it takes a lifetime. We've been oppressing and attacking one another so long, it'll take a LONG time before we fully learn to do otherwise.

Here's a song I just heard yesterday:

Here's another song, just because it's awesome:

e-hug?

Modifié par LucidStrike, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:07 .

[Marlina]

LucidStrike wrote...

 *Sigh* You got progressively more defensive and consequently more offensive. I've done the same thing before. I don't expect you to get it overnight. Like I said, it takes a lifetime. We've been oppressing and attacking one another so long, it'll take a LONG time before we fully learn to do otherwise.

Here's a song I just heard yesterday:

Here's another song, just because it's awesome:

e-hug?

If calling out an overreacting tool that thought I had racist intentions when I didn't on his bull**** is offensive, then I guess I am.  Likewise, if offering assistance to customers REGARDLESS of skin color constitutes attacking and oppressing minorities, then I guess I am guilty of that too.
Gimme a break, huh? 

And I'm always up for an e-hug!