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[Beerfish]

Call me a luddite if you wish or a curmudgeon.  It's become disturbing how much these items are beginning to rule peoples lives.  My place of work is full of post secondary students.  On a short walk from one building to the other I decided to count people using or engrossed with these devices vs not.  14-8 in favor of users, walking down the hallway or sitting on a bench totally unaware of the world around them.  No eye contact, no conversation.  Totally distracted by these devices in which I'd say 95% of the info is not required in the here and now.

[Fast Jimmy]

<shrug>

I guess my response is... so?

People used to walk around staring at the ground, not making eye contact then, either. Or sit around and read books instead of talking to strangers, instead of reading their phones.

Honestly, walking around a downtown area, with people crammed on top of each other, was not that much different thirty years ago as it was today. People now just have the ability to communicate with the people they actually want to talk to now via their devices, instead of trying to awkwardly ignore the strangers around them.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 04 septembre 2013 - 07:59 .

[Gwyndaf]

I agree with what you mean about people being distracted. Whenever my sister has her friends over they all just sit at a table with their phones, hardly talking and exchanging eye contact. The same is true with quite a few people in my school too.

[TMB903]

I agree. I see my sister every now and then and the rare chance I do her face is buried in her IPhone browsing Facebook.

[Beerfish]

#1 many but not all. There was still opportunity for people to actually interact with other people, make new friends before class etc. Now there is none.

#2 There is no need to communicate with others if they are not there in front of you. People texting each other to tell each other they are walking to class is silly.

This also seems to perpetuate the need for other people all the time. Removes times for thought and or reflection, removes alone time, which is good for most people. Causes unneeded distractions from things more at hand. (I've seen people nearly get run over crossing the street oblivious to all things. Not to mention the distraction in driving.)

[Fast Jimmy]

Beerfish wrote...

#1 many but not all. There was still opportunity for people to actually interact with other people, make new friends before class etc. Now there is none.

#2 There is no need to communicate with others if they are not there in front of you. People texting each other to tell each other they are walking to class is silly.

This also seems to perpetuate the need for other people all the time. Removes times for thought and or reflection, removes alone time, which is good for most people. Causes unneeded distractions from things more at hand. (I've seen people nearly get run over crossing the street oblivious to all things. Not to mention the distraction in driving.)

That may all be true... but humans have been finding ways of ignoring each other (as well as not paying attention to what they are doing) long before mobile devices came around. It sure isn't helping... but people weren't stopping and high fiving strangers on the street before cell phones became popular.

TMB903 wrote...

I agree. I see my sister every now and then and the rare chance I do her face is buried in her IPhone browsing Facebook.

I grew up before iPads and Androids. I grew up with three older sisters. 

None of them left their room outside of leaving the house or eating dinner. They all either hung out in their rooms talking on the phone all day, listening to music and/or whatever else teenage girls do. Them being anti-social to their brothers is, in no way, a phenomeon tied to the introduction of mobile phones.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 04 septembre 2013 - 08:19 .

[Eurypterid]

My wife and I were talking about this very thing last night. While in many ways it's great that there's all this convenient connectivity, we both agreed that it seems people are less able to carry on an actual conversation face to face anymore. It's become just 'text bites', most of which seems to be nothing more than inanity (i.e. 'walking to class').

As well, the 'convenience' of having social media at your fingertips means people don't take the time to cool down when they're upset and often end up posting things they regret.

And finally, I have to point out the latest iphone advertisement that I saw that amused the hell out of me. The ad basically goes through this montage of people doing things on their phones with some lovely mood music in the background. It ends with something along the lines of "More people connect face to face on their iphones than any other device" Anyone see the problem with the bolded part?

[Fast Jimmy]

Eurypterid wrote...

My wife and I were talking about this very thing last night. While in many ways it's great that there's all this convenient connectivity, we both agreed that it seems people are less able to carry on an actual conversation face to face anymore. It's become just 'text bites', most of which seems to be nothing more than inanity (i.e. 'walking to class').

As well, the 'convenience' of having social media at your fingertips means people don't take the time to cool down when they're upset and often end up posting things they regret.

And finally, I have to point out the latest iphone advertisement that I saw that amused the hell out of me. The ad basically goes through this montage of people doing things on their phones with some lovely mood music in the background. It ends with something along the lines of "More people connect face to face on their iphones than any other device" Anyone see the problem with the bolded part?

I think that means technology such as Skype or the iPhone's FaceTime feature. Basically, using your camera phone to show your face while you talk, and seeing the face of the person you are talking to.

[Eurypterid]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I think that means technology such as Skype or the iPhone's FaceTime feature. Basically, using your camera phone to show your face while you talk, and seeing the face of the person you are talking to.

I know what they mean, but in my book, that's not face to face. There's a significant difference between talking to someone in person and having the (IMO, impersonal) separation that electronic devices impose.

[Fast Jimmy]

Eurypterid wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I think that means technology such as Skype or the iPhone's FaceTime feature. Basically, using your camera phone to show your face while you talk, and seeing the face of the person you are talking to.

I know what they mean, but in my book, that's not face to face. There's a significant difference between talking to someone in person and having the (IMO, impersonal) separation that electronic devices impose.

Well... technically, their statement is actually still true. After all, if NO ONE can connect face to face, the no other mobile device connects more people face to face than the iPhone! LOL

Marketing-speak. It' s a riot.

[Naughty Bear]

I love my mobile. I'm not the person who texts a lot of people but I have a lot of reading material on it, I also browse a lot on it and in the process of learning a language.

[NeonFlux117]

not dehumanism it's trans-humanism. And yet another way for the the Illuminati and their puppets to move the world in one direction through technology and eugenics.


or not.

[Ridwan]

I'll chalk that up to one more reason why it's awesome that I own an old Nokia.

[Beerfish]

The bee population is in crisis and that is not a good thing.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Beerfish wrote...

The bee population is in crisis and that is not a good thing.

But nobody knows what it's from, be it global warming, cellphones, fungal infections, parasites, invasive species, new pesticides, old pesticides, nobody knows why or can prove what's going on.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I don't think people have ever been honest and open in communication or talking before. They've always had some means to distract from doing so, or have used generic, talking point, easily memorized questions and responses in order to just get it over with ((How's the weather like? Did you see the game? Etc.))

In fact the only real time conversations seemed to happen was between friends or co-workers, who usually were your friends. Nobody ever seemed to talk to strangers outside of rarely wishing them a good morning.

[Fishy]

Remind me of that business man in Breaking bad always talking on his phone. More and more people look like this jackass in real life. You just want to slap them in the face. You don't have to talk to strangers, but just being aware of your surrounding make a huge difference and it's also being polite. yes. It's being polite being aware that this  old ladyis walking next to you. People notice when you don't give a **** and they don't give a **** about you either.

Some people are so self-absorbed into their little pathetic life. Just be more aware or AWAKE.

I grew in a small village of 1500 habitants. So maybe i'm just more friendly.

Modifié par Suprez30, 05 septembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[AventuroLegendary]

 No, no. Think of it as... evolution.

[Cyonan]

I imagine that some people would probably put me in that group. I'm both a programmer and a gamer so I spent a lot of time using(and cursing at) my computer.

Often when I'm out in public and for whatever reason I'm waiting for something, I'll be on my iPod listening to music and reading the news, keeping up to date on things, talking to a friend etc.

My question to you would be.. so what?

Myself, and I would assume all of those people you counted waking between buildings, are all adults. If I want to sit off to the side and isolate myself then that's my choice to do so.

People also incorrectly make the assumption that this means I'm not paying attention to what is going on around me. For me specifically, I'm still fully aware of what is going on around me. Although I get that this is not really the norm for people looking at some device while they're out.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I fail to see a problem here.
Then again, my social development was stinted due to being heavily medicated in school, thus eliminating most of my need to socialize, so what do I know.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 05 septembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[spirosz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

<shrug>

I guess my response is... so?

People used to walk around staring at the ground, not making eye contact then, either. Or sit around and read books instead of talking to strangers, instead of reading their phones.

Honestly, walking around a downtown area, with people crammed on top of each other, was not that much different thirty years ago as it was today. People now just have the ability to communicate with the people they actually want to talk to now via their devices, instead of trying to awkwardly ignore the strangers around them.

[spirosz]

Basically what Fast Jimmy said.

People are always in their "own" little worlds, regardless of what they're doing at the time. It's not different from seeing an area filled with musicians all extremely focused on their instruments and nothing else around them. Or people reading books, smoking a cigarette, and whatever else.

If anything, I'm one of those people who always has music playing, regardless of where I'm going, so I'm grateful for these "horrible" devices, ha.