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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I disagree with Fast Jimmy mostly, Beerfish's concern is right.
Gwyndaf and TMB903 cases prove that something is wrong.

Not all the people are hating anti-social douchebags who want to distract themselves from others presence or they may go rampage! lol... That's not the problem at all and it doesn't explain this situation. [With this paragraph I become even less popular on the internet!]

The problem is people have replaced communication and their visits with others, with Facebook and social networks. It's an addiction (not a lethal one but true) and it doesn't help you improve your social skills (unless you're reading ethical or pragmatical books on that i-pod of yours).

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 05 septembre 2013 - 08:02 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Weakening/Hindering "ADDICTION", do you understand? We don't talk about buying a thing over internet.

Like my Backbone is equal to crap and can't do anything heavy (thanks to the things that kept me busy and away from work out), these Mobile/Internet addiction can ruin many years of your life and maybe all your life.

Sorry, I insist on this because it is similar with my case. You people know anything about causal phenomenons? If you don't do beneficial works, you will be sorry. If you do harmful works, you will be sorry. This is how the world works.
But this proverb is accurate... "telling counsels in the ears of donkeys".

[Cyonan]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

I disagree with Fast Jimmy mostly, Beerfish's concern is right.
Gwyndaf and TMB903 cases prove that something is wrong.

Not all the people are hating anti-social douchebags who want to distract themselves from others presence or they may go rampage! lol... That's not the problem at all and it doesn't explain this situation. [With this paragraph I become even less popular on the internet!]

The problem is people have replaced communication and their visits with others, with Facebook and social networks. It's an addiction (not a lethal one but true) and it doesn't help you improve your social skills (unless you're reading ethical or pragmatical books on that i-pod of yours).

You're kind of implying that talking to somebody on the internet is not being social at all, which while maybe not as good as physical contact it is still being social.

Something also worth mentioning is that, as with any other thing labelled as an "addiction", simply doing the act does not mean that I have suddenly replaced all communication.

I can go out and have a few drinks and not be an alcoholic just as I can walk through the street while looking at my iPod and not be trying to replace all my communication with technology.

Modifié par Cyonan, 05 septembre 2013 - 09:05 .

[mybudgee]

It's for the best, really. People are awful. Our species' technology surpassed/eclipsed our humanity long before the telephone...

Modifié par mybudgee, 05 septembre 2013 - 11:50 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

The problem is people have replaced communication and their visits with others, with Facebook and social networks. It's an addiction (not a lethal one but true) and it doesn't help you improve your social skills (unless you're reading ethical or pragmatical books on that i-pod of yours).

Social skills are contextual.

In a way, people who communicate over the internet are good at socializing like that. In contrast, people who rarely use it, are not accustomed to all the quirks and standards of internet communication.

I'd argue that communicating with people on the forums IS also a social skill - different from the regular communication, but still.

Of course, I only might be saying that because I'm a intovert and I'm subconciously trying to justify my lifestyle. Or not.


Either way, people not paying attention to others is nothing new.

[Rusty Sandusky]

People fear what they don't know. This is evidenced all around us and throughout history. The thing is that the way we communicate is changing around us. Whether it is for the better or for the worse I do not know. As much as I detest it, you can't say that someone who is addicted to Facebook is less sociable than someone who likes to talk face to face with people. As technologies and cultures change there will always be people who protest it, say it's culture regressing. But what if those people are the ones who actually advance society and left to our own devices humanity would collapse under its own weight? What if technological advancement is the downfall of humanity? Why has this post gotten so messed up?

[Reznore57]

I just think people are getting paranoid , because we have daily access to bad news ( media tends to ignore the everyday joyful event) + social stuff are less and less about sharing and more about advertising yourself.
"Here's my facebook page with pictures of me ,what I eat today what I like etc..."
Twitter is a social gimmick for me , but I think it's great when there's some disaster , lots of quick information gathered in one place .
Tumblr , nice for blogs , way too messy for any good communication.

Anyway , internet isn't bad , it's just a brand new tool.
I just hope it won't end up as bad as TV though ....

[spirosz]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Either way, people not paying attention to others is nothing new.

Sums it up. 

We can generalize and state that this is a huge "thing" - which it isn't, but hey. 

[Hainkpe]

Internet usage pervades the lives of people in industrialized countries. There are instances when you need to use the internet, not want but need. Pulling money out of an ATM? Chances are the machine is using the internet.

Addiction is about a habit that leads to a psychological and/or physical dependence where the withdrawal of the substance would lead to extreme physical discomfort, physical symptoms or trauma.

Internet usage can be an addiction but not all internet usage is an addiction. People can use the internet and be dependent on it but not have problems when away from it for long periods of time. Then there are people who are addicted and have issues when removed from usage.

The reality is, the internet is a tool and like most other tools (Fork anyone?) we use them everyday. The use of a tool does not denote de-humanizing. In fact, tool usage is what makes us human. In fact, people are using internet tools to be more social and release information. You can look at it from the perspective of its usage disconnecting people or you can see it as reconnecting people but in a different way.

Modifié par Hainkpe, 05 septembre 2013 - 01:09 .

[happy_daiz]

^ Truth.

Also, in my case, I have the stuff (iPhone, iPad), but I don't really use them to communicate, if that makes sense. I use the GPS on my phone more frequently than I use the actual phone part. And I use the phone part more than I text. Which is like once or twice a month. I just don't feel the need, and am terribly slow at it. I do use Pandora and iTunes almost constantly, though, while I'm at work; and it's convenient for checking email and using the net.

Regarding people talking to each other in public, I'm not one to just go up and talk to other people. If we make eye contact, I'll acknowledge it, with a smile and a nod. But 'newfangled device' or no, I still wouldn't talk to them...because I'm somewhat shy. And they could be serial killers or something.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 05 septembre 2013 - 01:34 .

[Beerfish]

Cyonan wrote...



People also incorrectly make the assumption that this means I'm not paying attention to what is going on around me. For me specifically, I'm still fully aware of what is going on around me. Although I get that this is not really the norm for people looking at some device while they're out.

You are in the VAST minority on this point.  You really are.

[Beerfish]

LindsayLohan wrote...

Nope. This is a current argument by digital immigrants. They are taking advantage of the current technology, as technology progresses you find that more systems can be incorperated into a single platform. Their blackberry can give them access to the internet,phonebook,email,organizes, things that you would have to buy seperatly back in the day. They are simply taking advantage of the current technology that is being given to them. The same argument could be made a long time to say "why are these people using books? They should memorize everything before hand." It is silly they are taking advantage of the current systems that are available for use.

Not all technology is a plus when it removes certain long term skills in our society.  Is new technology a plus?  Yes.  But the new technology seems to be ruling the people, not the other way around and in some cases actually reducing productivity in our lives.

[Beerfish]

Reznore57 wrote...



Anyway , internet isn't bad , it's just a brand new tool.
I just hope it won't end up as bad as TV though ....

The internet is the greatest invention in the history of man.  It dwarves the printing press.  What is bad in my opinion is the seeming need to be plugged in 24 hours a day via mobile devices etc.

[Endurium]

100 years ago I could've walked down to the grocer and exchanged friendly greetings with most people along the way. Now I'm greeted with silence; if anyone greets me it's usually an older/elderly person. Might as well whip out my phone and text a friend across the country, becuase hey at least they're willing to talk.

[Bionuts]

I got rid of my cellphone ages ago.

Although, to be honest, this has locked me in many unpleasant situations

[Bionuts]

happy_daiz wrote...
Regarding people talking to each other in public, I'm not one to just go up and talk to other people. If we make eye contact, I'll acknowledge it, with a smile and a nod. But 'newfangled device' or no, I still wouldn't talk to them...because I'm somewhat shy. And they could be serial killers or something.

Lol I'm very good at talking to strangers,

[Cyonan]

Beerfish wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

People also incorrectly make the assumption that this means I'm not paying attention to what is going on around me. For me specifically, I'm still fully aware of what is going on around me. Although I get that this is not really the norm for people looking at some device while they're out.

You are in the VAST minority on this point. You really are.

I already acknowledged that, although you kind of ignored the rest of my post.

Also, consider that you're judging these people based on about 30 seconds of observation on them. You're really in no position to be making assumptions about their lives.

Just as the people who assume that I am not aware of my surroundings are wrong, the people in this thread acting like these people spend every waking moment on their devices are going to be wrong for a number of them.

Remember, seeing somebody have a drink doesn't automatically make them an alcoholic, so why would seeing them on a device walking between buildings automatically make them addicted to technology?

[Eternal Phoenix]

Cyonan wrote...

Also, consider that you're judging these people based on about 30 seconds of observation on them. You're really in no position to be making assumptions about their lives.

Just as the people who assume that I am not aware of my surroundings are wrong, the people in this thread acting like these people spend every waking moment on their devices are going to be wrong for a number of them.

Remember, seeing somebody have a drink doesn't automatically make them an alcoholic, so why would seeing them on a device walking between buildings automatically make them addicted to technology?

Maybe but I was in college for years observing everyone (friends, strangers, adults) as I'm a very analytical person and I was studying some sociology in my own time. The people were on their phones for longer than thirty seconds (let's be honest) and most of the time they *were* unaware of their environment. Sure, they might look up a few times but so many phones are stolen nowadays because looking up every one minute is not enough to spot a thief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...london-21018569 (314 mobile phones 'stolen in London every day')

"This equates to 314 phones, including 158 iPhones, being stolen every day and accounts for about 70% of items taken in personal robberies.

Last month 9,751 mobile phones were stolen in London.

Det Ch Supt Simon Letchford said: "Having your personal possessions on show gives robbers a chance to make easy money.

"Just being conscious of where you are and being careful about when you display your valuables can help you avoid being targeted."

See the connection? Quite a few with iPhones and I'd wadger the others were smartphones too. Now that's just in London, one city. Imagine how it is for the whole country or the whole world.

The statistics and the increasing phone theft rates speak for themselves. Phones are leading people to be less focused and social networking has become an addiction for some proving the weak will and unfocused mental power of billions of humans.

Fast Jimmy says we were looking down at the floor or reading a book a few years ago but while the former might have been true for the depressed individual as he walked down a dark alleyway to his intimate death, the same can't be said for others. Sure, they weren't social back then (there are other reasons why society has become worst over the years) but they were more aware at least and didn't have an addiction with their phone where they must have it and play with it for every second of their waking life.

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

No, no. Think of it as... evolution.

De-evolution.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 05 septembre 2013 - 06:57 .

[Cyonan]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Maybe but I was in college for years observing everyone (friends, strangers, adults) as I'm a very analytical person and I was studying some sociology in my own time. The people were on their phones for longer than thirty seconds (let's be honest) and most of the time they *were* unaware of their environment. Sure, they might look up a few times but so many phones are stolen nowadays because looking up every one minute is not enough to spot a thief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...london-21018569 (314 mobile phones 'stolen in London every day')

"This equates to 314 phones, including 158 iPhones, being stolen every day and accounts for about 70% of items taken in personal robberies.

Last month 9,751 mobile phones were stolen in London.

Det Ch Supt Simon Letchford said: "Having your personal possessions on show gives robbers a chance to make easy money.

"Just being conscious of where you are and being careful about when you display your valuables can help you avoid being targeted."

See the connection? Quite a few with iPhones and I'd wadger the others were smartphones too. Now that's just in London, one city. Imagine how it is for the whole country or the whole world.

The statistics and the increasing phone theft rates speak for themselves. Phones are leading people to be less focused and social networking has become an addiction for some proving the weak will and unfocused mental power of billions of humans.

Fast Jimmy says we were looking down at the floor or reading a book a few years ago but while the former might have been true for the depressed individual as he walked down a dark alleyway to his intimate death, the same can't be said for others. Sure, they weren't social back then (there are other reasons why society has become worst over the years) but they were more aware at least and didn't have an addiction with their phone where they must have it and play with it for every second of their waking life.

People are on their phones for longer than 30 seconds, but lets also be honest here in saying that pickpockets existed long before technology did, and were quite successful at what they did. A big part of why mobile device theft has gone up is that they are more readily available than they were a few years ago(and reduced awareness does helps them to achieve their goal).

It seems that you missed the point and instead focused on a single fairly arbitary number that I used.

The point of the post is that these people are being judged about their entire lives based on a fairly small amount of it. I might look at my iPod while I am walking somewhere, but that doesn't suddenly mean that I am looking at it every single waking moment of my life. There is no way for you to know this unless you ask me, and nobody has ever asked me. People just prefer to judge and go about their lives, claiming it as another of "society's problems".

Are there people who are legitimately addicted to these activities? Of course, but it feels like the majority of people who look at a mobile device while in a public setting are being incorrectly judged here.

[Slojack]

Your title is false. Nobody uses Blackberrys

[Isichar]

simfamSP wrote...

This is hardly the problem many make it out to be, as it lies within the realm of generalisation when it should be observed through individuals. On the outside, of course one would come up with the conclusion that the human race is gradually becoming less and less social, yet there are so many sociological factors (structural and interactional) to this, that it would take an entire essay to report them all.

Texting, social networking and the internet are just replacements to the norms humans in the pre-digital era were accustomed too. There is nothing to prove dehumanisation since there are thousands of cases which show us the beauty of online relationships.

I've known guild-members who have become lovers and have even married because their online relationship; and I'm absolutley certain that many here have been witness to similar instances of online relations.

Humans are, and will always be a social species. Even someone like me, who considers himself anti-social needs some semblance of human interaction (and believe me, complete isolation has nearly left me mentally unstable,) if not; we'll lose our humanity.

However, our means of interaction will change and evolve through the times. We are not restricted to an arbitary "optimum" form of social interaction, and we will never be. Because, as cheesy as it sounds, we will always find a way. Regardless as to how we become intimate, in the end, we come together in need of physical interaction.

Whether it's a night out with your buddies, an hour in the gym, making love to your girlfriend. The physical presence humans require will never be replaced unless we evolve biologically as a spiecies.

Of course, OP. We will always find the few thousand cases of people who are indeed, dehumanised. But to me, this is not the fault of the distraction, but the person. Distractions have always existed. Alcohol, drugs. books, TV, video-games, and now the internet. Men and woman who find absolute solace and isolate themselves to the point of madness with these distractions are born that way. It's the same case of video-games and their link with human violence.

This.

I think we actually need to objectively take a step back and look at the ways cell phones are effecting us for good and bad and it is not a simple answer. We need to look at how different people will react to these mediums.

OP put no effort into talking about the positive effects having a cell phone can have (much MUCH easier to make plans with people) nor did he attempt to discuss the difference between someone sitting on a bench texting and someone who is so glued to their phone that they dont look both ways when they cross the street.