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[Reznore57]

The Mad Hanar wrote...


People don't need other people to be happy. As a matter of fact, overdependance on others for your happiness is a sign of personal weakness. I have few friends, but I am not depressed. I do not play around on my phone, but I do listen to music when I'm out in public because maybe, juuuuust maybe, I enjoy music more than people arguing with each other and the chick trying to ask me directions in Spainish.

Humans aren't that great bro.

Well that's quite sad.
Anyway as humans we function in society , there's no way around it.
We do need each other to be happy , a human really all alone would just go crazy after a while.
And " humans aren't great "while saying I'd rather ignore someone who's asking me for help ...
Why not.

I kinda hope it's a troll.^^

[Isichar]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


People don't need other people to be happy. As a matter of fact, overdependance on others for your happiness is a sign of personal weakness. I have few friends, but I am not depressed. I do not play around on my phone, but I do listen to music when I'm out in public because maybe, juuuuust maybe, I enjoy music more than people arguing with each other and the chick trying to ask me directions in Spainish.

Humans aren't that great bro.

Well that's quite sad.
Anyway as humans we function in society , there's no way around it.
We do need each other to be happy , a human really all alone would just go crazy after a while.
And " humans aren't great "while saying I'd rather ignore someone who's asking me for help ...
Why not.

I kinda hope it's a troll.^^

I don't speak Spanish, for one. And I'm not saying I spend every minute of every day alone, nor do I want to for that matter, what I'm saying is that needing to talk or be with someone at all times to feel content or comfortable is unhealthy. Striking up conversation is a must when I'm in school, but while on the bus or waiting for the bus? Naaah. I'll never need people to be happy. You may call it sad to find happiness, comfort and peace from within, but I think it's okay. Humans aren't as special as the people who are always claiming "dehumanization" are though. Some of the stuff I hear people say when I don't have my headphones confirms it, for me at least.

I am pretty sure we are the exact same in this regards, I would be willing to bet you would go crazy just forcing yourself to socialize all the time. 

Some people dont understand that just because you enjoy been alone and listening to music does not mean you dont enjoy spending time with other people as well, its just a matter of finding the balance between the two that works for you, and a lot of people dont understand that there is not some universal scale to figure that out, its personal.

[In Exile]

Beerfish wrote...

#1 many but not all. There was still opportunity for people to actually interact with other people, make new friends before class etc. Now there is none.

We can always do that. Speaking for my generation, we often do that. But walking downtown, when I was working? I just want a break from work. Usually when I got out of the office tower for lunch it was because I had the chance to just relax, and I wasn't about to use my work computer for a break.

Besides, people might be double checking to see if they don't have work related mail. I know I watched my email like a hawk on lunch to make sure a partner didn't need me. 

 #2 There is no need to communicate with others if they are not there in front of you. People texting each other to tell each other they are walking to class is silly.  

Ummm... people just like talking to their friends? I... I'm not even sure what to make of this one.

[Naughty Bear]

Who needs friends? I have what, 2 who I hang out with most? And I will be moving away so I will have nobody, zero, zilch, nadda etc.

I speak to enough people on the internet to fulfill my "social needs".

[Bionuts]

I grew up ****** poor. Flowers, snow, and birds make me happy. Talking to people is nice, too, but never rely on others for happiness. It's pathetic. Make your own happiness.

Some people even think I'm on drugs when I'm happy. Even though I've never done in my life.

[Remmirath]

I'm inclined to say there is a problem in general, and that problem is that technology has been increasing at a faster and faster rate -- faster than it has before. This is not in and of itself a problem, and likely even a good thing, but I don't think that people are taking enough time to properly think through the potential consequences of each new piece of technology. Rather, they simply unleash it on the market and see what happens. The internet still has problems in the form of security risks and a general inability to enforce restrictions, but nobody seems to be taking that into account when moving things to the cloud, for example.

I do not like smart phones at all. I should probably also mention that I don't like cell phones. I prefer to use the home phone for all calls, but I do own and carry with me a cell phone because in emergencies it is useful (I have been glad to have one at times: when my car has broken down, when I broke my leg and needed to call an ambulance, and sometimes just when travelling far). Cell phones aren't something I like, but they have their uses.

Smart phones bother me because of the way people act with them. If I am talking to somebody they are not likely to pull out any sort of amusement other than a smart phone or tablet and start using it while I am talking to them. This would be considered rude by most, but apparently is normal behaviour so long as it's a smart phone or tablet. It annoys me. Not even so much as "excuse me, I'm going to look something up".

Tablets have an extremely limited range of usefuless to my mind. The touch screen and the way they're set up makes them pretty useless of writing or gaming, and so that mostly leaves surfing the internet -- something which I, at least, only do when I've little else to do and I happen to be sitting at a computer.

I don't have a problem with people treating them like smaller laptops, or even just using them for a source of amusement. If there's an hour or so to kill somewhere I'd rather read a book or sketch a bit, personally, but it's up to them and not any of my business if they'd rather look things up on the internet or send messages. It's when they start doing it in the middle of conversations or in the middle of other tasks that it bothers me.

I've seen people sit in restaurants, right across from each other, and stare at their phones the whole time. It's bizarre. I've also seen far too many people staring at their phones while driving, and that's dangerous. It also seems like it's only going to get worse.

To be fair, I do also know some people who have smart phones and tablets and only use them for reasonable things and don't suddenly pull them out in the middle of conversations. However, at least for the people I know and have observed, this appears to be the minority of those who have them.

Another problem I have is that with everything so connected, it's very hard for people to actually get away from their work. I don't think that's a good thing. People need to be able to relax and get away sometimes, but when they have their mobile devices with them they seem to check on work-related things constantly even when they don't need to.

I have little love for Facebook and less for Twitter. Facebook can occasionally provide exactly one valuable service: being able to contact again people who you would wish to, but no longer have the contact information for. Twitter provides as far as I can tell none. It is then often assumed that everybody will be using these things. I'd far rather communicate by e-mail. I don't need or want the constant flow of inane information from those things.

I also agree to some extent with whoever said that the problem is the people and not the technology, but I have also seen some people who had previously at least appeared to behave reasonably begin to not do so when they acquired mobile devices, so that makes me less sure than I otherwise would've been.

[Hey]

i still have a sony walkman. im going nowhere fast. i remember when we used to ride around all night listening to crappy song after crappy song, fighting the signal, enduring the whacky fm dj to have one great one come on. "TURN IT UP".

[Wolfva2]

I think one of the problems, outside of the social issues ya'll have been hashing over, is the 'dumbing down' of people in general. Why learn anything when you can just look it up? Take GPS, for instance? I know people who used to navigate around town perfectly well without it; they got it and now if GPS ain't on, they can't get anywhere. They're so used to listening for the directions instead of paying attention to what they're doing and where they're going.

As a motorcyclist, I am beginning to REALLY hate cell phones and texting. I dunno how many times I've almost been plastered along the street by some dweeb obliviously yacking on their cell, or texting the latest nonsense that no one actually cares about.

I do see these devices causing social problems. Ever read a tweet thread? A lot of inane nonsense about nonsense. BUT...it makes those people feel important. "OMG! I just took a dump! I better let my twitter followers know! OMG! I'm crossing the street! Lemme twieet it! HAH! Some motorcyclist just got plastered by a minivan! I better skype it! Oh look, a 50 dollar bill on the ground! Let me take a photo for my faceboo <car runs over egoist and keeps going because driver was to busy texting to notice). People are wrapped up in their own little worlds where they think others actually WANT to hear every little thought that comes out of their cobweb infused cranium. Then, when those people encounter someone who couldn't care less...they get offended. In the old days, we KNEW no one else cared about our inane little thoughts. It didn't bother us. But now? Heck, we see it here on the BSN all the time. Someone disagrees with a person, that person goes into a rage, complaining about people trying to 'shut him up' and his 'right to say what he wants'. Which is strange, because all the other guy did was spout a differing opinion..

[mybudgee]

#3 feature on the Sony walkman: bass boost
#2 feature: anti-skip
*drumroll*
#1 feature is........ Shuffle. Ya turn it on & WHO knows which of these eleven song will come up. If it's "rocketman" again I will scream.
Oh snap... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Hey]

mybudgee wrote...

#3 feature on the Sony walkman: bass boost
#2 feature: anti-skip
*drumroll*
#1 feature is........ Shuffle. Ya turn it on & WHO knows which of these eleven song will come up. If it's "rocketman" again I will scream.
Oh snap... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

<3

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kaiser Arian wrote...

The problem is people have replaced communication and their visits with others, with Facebook and social networks. It's an addiction (not a lethal one but true) and it doesn't help you improve your social skills (unless you're reading ethical or pragmatical books on that i-pod of yours).

Social skills are contextual.

In a way, people who communicate over the internet are good at socializing like that. In contrast, people who rarely use it, are not accustomed to all the quirks and standards of internet communication.

I'd argue that communicating with people on the forums IS also a social skill - different from the regular communication, but still.

Of course, I only might be saying that because I'm a intovert and I'm subconciously trying to justify my lifestyle. Or not.


Either way, people not paying attention to others is nothing new.

Sensible, although using internet that way mostly affects your language skills (improving writing -> improving speaking). But it isn't that easy...

Hainkpe wrote...

Internet usage pervades the lives of people in industrialized countries. There are instances when you need to use the internet, not want but need. Pulling money out of an ATM? Chances are the machine is using the internet.

Addiction is about a habit that leads to a psychological and/or physical dependence where the withdrawal of the substance would lead to extreme physical discomfort, physical symptoms or trauma.

Internet usage can be an addiction but not all internet usage is an addiction. People can use the internet and be dependent on it but not have problems when away from it for long periods of time. Then there are people who are addicted and have issues when removed from usage.

The reality is, the internet is a tool and like most other tools (Fork anyone?) we use them everyday. The use of a tool does not denote de-humanizing. In fact, tool usage is what makes us human. In fact, people are using internet tools to be more social and release&nbsp;information. You can look at it from the perspective of its usage disconnecting people or you can see it as reconnecting people but in a different way.

Another sensible comment. Still I find a place full of people staring at their i-phones disturbing! I find them addicts.

Wolfva2 wrote...

I think one of the problems, outside of the social issues ya'll have been hashing over, is the 'dumbing down' of people in general. Why learn anything when you can just look it up? Take GPS, for instance? I know people who used to navigate around town perfectly well without it; they got it and now if GPS ain't on, they can't get anywhere. They're so used to listening for the directions instead of paying attention to what they're doing and where they're going.

Also this ^.

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:38 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I personally don't use I-pods and similar stuff. I have a modern mobile phone, but I don't use it for anything other than occasional call or message.

Ever since I finished college, it has becoem harder and harder to meet peoepl adn mantain frendships. Makes sense. Untill you finish college, you are constantly visiting a high-traffic area with tons of people and have common subjects. It's easy to make friends.

However, once that is done...peoepl start getting jobs, getting married, different schedules, travel distance increases. You're no seeing eachother every day anymore. Little by little you're seeing leachother less and less.

Kinda sad really. I lost contact with many of my friends (despite me trying to maintain it). Some I contact only via facebook. I'm down to just a few friends, and I don't meet up with them nearly as often as I'd want.

My day consist mostly of working (on a computer) and sleeping. Cleanign the apartment, going for a walk, doing some stuff. But most of the time after I get off the work computer, I sit down on my personal computer. Forum browsing. Modding. Playing games. atchin movies and anime..

A few walks or drinks with friends are a rare enough occurence to depress me that they are not more frequent.

[Wheel_of_Fate]

Cyonan wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Maybe but I was in college for years observing everyone (friends, strangers, adults) as I'm a very analytical person and I was studying some sociology in my own time. The people were on their phones for longer than thirty seconds (let's be honest) and most of the time they *were* unaware of their environment. Sure, they might look up a few times but so many phones are stolen nowadays because looking up every one minute is not enough to spot a thief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...london-21018569 (314 mobile phones 'stolen in London every day')

"This equates to 314 phones, including 158 iPhones, being stolen every day and accounts for about 70% of items taken in personal robberies.

Last month 9,751 mobile phones were stolen in London.

Det Ch Supt Simon Letchford said: "Having your personal possessions on show gives robbers a chance to make easy money.

"Just being conscious of where you are and being careful about when you display your valuables can help you avoid being targeted."

See the connection? Quite a few with iPhones and I'd wadger the others were smartphones too. Now that's just in London, one city. Imagine how it is for the whole country or the whole world.

The statistics and the increasing phone theft rates speak for themselves. Phones are leading people to be less focused and social networking has become an addiction for some proving the weak will and unfocused mental power of billions of humans.

Fast Jimmy says we were looking down at the floor or reading a book a few years ago but while the former might have been true for the depressed individual as he walked down a dark alleyway to his intimate death, the same can't be said for others. Sure, they weren't social back then (there are other reasons why society has become worst over the years) but they were more aware at least and didn't have an addiction with their phone where they must have it and play with it for every second of their waking life.

People are on their phones for longer than 30 seconds, but lets also be honest here in saying that pickpockets existed long before technology did, and were quite successful at what they did. A big part of why mobile device theft has gone up is that they are more readily available than they were a few years ago(and reduced awareness does helps them to achieve their goal).

It seems that you missed the point and instead focused on a single fairly arbitary number that I used.

The point of the post is that these people are being judged about their entire lives based on a fairly small amount of it. I might look at my iPod while I am walking somewhere, but that doesn't suddenly mean that I am looking at it every single waking moment of my life. There is no way for you to know this unless you ask me, and nobody has ever asked me. People just prefer to judge and go about their lives, claiming it as another of "society's problems".

Are there people who are legitimately addicted to these activities? Of course, but it feels like the majority of people who look at a mobile device while in a public setting are being incorrectly judged here.

I completely agree with everything you've said, Cyonan. I am on my PC for most of the day during my free time. Does that mean that I am socially awkward or something? No. I just have no need to talk/hang out with friends. Because HEY, not everyone needs to be that hyperactive kid with a broad social circle of friends, am I right? I just prefer being on my own, doing what I myself like. Hope that's not something for getting a finger wagged at me now. I don't even have that many friends, because I maybe don't like to open up to one or the other random stranger? Why should I even care about other people if I don't want to/don't have to? Just my family, my few friends and my boyfriend are important to me. The rest I honestly don't give a damn for. Heartless? Probably. But eh, so is life. Bummer!

[Addai]

I think a better term is depersonalization. Dehumanization = something degrading, abnegating of humanity, which is too strong.

I agree that the omnipresence of mobile devices can be disorienting. Big example is people using their phones in a public restroom. It is bad enough to have to share personal space with strangers, let alone the innocent third party on the other end of someone's line. Also I sometimes look at people who seem to be talking to me only to find out they're talking into the air with a hidden headset.

These are just changes in how people to relate to each other, though. Not necessarily bad. The harmful effects are in places where divided attention are dangerous, namely driving.

[Beerfish]

I'll give an example of what I'm talking about from this morning.

Each morning I take my very friendly Yellow Lab for a walk before work. He is the type that if he sees a person on our walk he wants to go up wagging his tail and get petted up. I approach a bus stop and a gal is there deep in her ipod or whatever mobile device she had. I try and usher 'Nibbs' past her as she is preoccupied but Nibbs will have none of it and is standing there looking at her with his tail wagging.

Finally she looks up, see him, smiles and says 'hello there!' to Nibbs. I bring him up the gal pets him up and has a big smile on her face that remains as the bus pulls up and she gets on.

She almost missed chance to have that smile on her face 1st thing in the morning.

[Cyonan]

Beerfish wrote...

I'll give an example of what I'm talking about from this morning.

Each morning I take my very friendly Yellow Lab for a walk before work. He is the type that if he sees a person on our walk he wants to go up wagging his tail and get petted up. I approach a bus stop and a gal is there deep in her ipod or whatever mobile device she had. I try and usher 'Nibbs' past her as she is preoccupied but Nibbs will have none of it and is standing there looking at her with his tail wagging.

Finally she looks up, see him, smiles and says 'hello there!' to Nibbs. I bring him up the gal pets him up and has a big smile on her face that remains as the bus pulls up and she gets on.

She almost missed chance to have that smile on her face 1st thing in the morning.

Let's assume that she had missed that chance, and got on the bus without a smile. So what? Does this somehow make her life worse because she looked at her mobile device instead of smiling at a stranger?

Would it have been any different had she been reading a book instead of looking at her mobile device?

[DatOneFanboy]

watch a movie called, Into The Wild

[DatOneFanboy]

and wtf are u people whining about? ****ing cellphones? Fox news are more interested in Whose dating who then The fact that WW3 is close as ****, USA pulling out another Iraq on Syria claiming that they are hiding WMD's , USA giving up 300 billion dollars to zionist each year u could have fixed projects and got people work for a billion, You are whats wrong with our society, Not cell phones. now stop replying to this thread and stfu

Modifié par DatOneFanboy, 06 septembre 2013 - 07:49 .