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[Dave of Canada]

Beep boop. I don't understand this dehumanizing of the human race.

Thinking of witty response. Witty response failed.

Abandon thread.

[Beerfish]

Cyonan wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'll give an example of what I'm talking about from this morning.

Each morning I take my very friendly Yellow Lab for a walk before work. He is the type that if he sees a person on our walk he wants to go up wagging his tail and get petted up. I approach a bus stop and a gal is there deep in her ipod or whatever mobile device she had. I try and usher 'Nibbs' past her as she is preoccupied but Nibbs will have none of it and is standing there looking at her with his tail wagging.

Finally she looks up, see him, smiles and says 'hello there!' to Nibbs. I bring him up the gal pets him up and has a big smile on her face that remains as the bus pulls up and she gets on.

She almost missed chance to have that smile on her face 1st thing in the morning.

Let's assume that she had missed that chance, and got on the bus without a smile. So what? Does this somehow make her life worse because she looked at her mobile device instead of smiling at a stranger?

Would it have been any different had she been reading a book instead of looking at her mobile device?

Yes, 100% for sure her life is worse with out the smile.  Why?  Because people have their faces in their mobile devices 20 hours a day texting things like  "Wating at the bus stop now, wut r u doing?"  Don't notice a freindly dog, don't notice the smell of lilacs in bloom, don't actually strike up a convo with a person next to them that could lead to a new friendship.  The world closes in, does not open up for some of these people.

Hey, technology is a good thing but more and more people are zoning out.  As for the reading the book comment, it might be better if that person was reading a book instead of face first in their mobile ap.

[MegaSovereign]

It's not dehumanizing when most people are generally anti-social in public settings.

If anything smartphones make socializing easier because there is usually common interest in news, sports, comedy, etc and you have access to it all in the palm of your hands.

I came out of my shell around the same time I got my first smartphone. Maybe they aren't directly related but it certainly doesn't hurt.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 06 septembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[Cyonan]

Beerfish wrote...
Yes, 100% for sure her life is worse with out the smile. Why? Because people have their faces in their mobile devices 20 hours a day texting things like "Wating at the bus stop now, wut r u doing?" Don't notice a freindly dog, don't notice the smell of lilacs in bloom, don't actually strike up a convo with a person next to them that could lead to a new friendship. The world closes in, does not open up for some of these people.

Hey, technology is a good thing but more and more people are zoning out. As for the reading the book comment, it might be better if that person was reading a book instead of face first in their mobile ap.

What if the person had been reading an ebook on their iPod?

You seem to have a fairly pre-defined view of how the world should be, and suddenly there is a problem with humanity if people do not fit into that view of yours.

The reality is that there is nothing wrong with not noticing the friendly dog that walked by, nor is there anything wrong with stopping to pet the dog. One is not superior to the other.

A lot of people like to use the "you could make new friends" argument, but what happens if I am already perfectly happy with how many friends I have now? Not everybody wants a large number of friends.

Being on your mobile device 20 hours a day would be a problem, but so would getting drunk every night or smoking at all.

I imagine that you didn't ask that girl if she spends 20 hours a day on her phone, but instead just assumed that she did.

[Isichar]

Beerfish you come off as been extremely judgmental of habits you dont understand for people you have not met and dont know.

I had a homeless guy screaming at me for 5 minutes at the bus stop today going into work, would my day have been worse if I had missed that entirely?

[MegaSovereign]

Isichar wrote...

I had a homeless guy screaming at me for 5 minutes at the bus stop today going into work, would my day have been worse if I had missed that entirely?

That's the pinnacle of human interaction right thar.

[spirosz]

Isichar wrote...

Beerfish you come off as been extremely judgmental of habits you dont understand for people you have not met and dont know.

Basically, this is the vibe I get from the OP.  

A man on a cellphone walking, could be the greatest father in the world to his kids, but he's BECOMING DEHUMANIZED. 

[HiddenInWar]

Nothing wrong with using those services such as talking to friends, utilizing them for resources such as studying, and/or expressing yourself.

[spirosz]

J. Reezy wrote...

"OP uses technology to communicate distaste of people using technology to communicate. Huh."

Lulz

[Addai]

Beerfish wrote...

She almost missed chance to have that smile on her face 1st thing in the morning.

I understand what you're saying, but being an introvert who does this sometimes I also have to point out that people can build such walls without a device.  If someone had been reading a newspaper it would have been the same thing.

[Gatt9]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.

Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@Gatt9, nice comment.
Human relations are more complex and interesting than "physical facts".

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I personally don't use I-pods and similar stuff. I have a modern mobile phone, but I don't use it for anything other than occasional call or message.

Ever since I finished college, it has becoem harder and harder to meet peoepl adn mantain frendships. Makes sense. Untill you finish college, you are constantly visiting a high-traffic area with tons of people and have common subjects. It's easy to make friends.

However, once that is done...peoepl start getting jobs, getting married, different schedules, travel distance increases. You're no seeing eachother every day anymore. Little by little you're seeing leachother less and less.

Kinda sad really. I lost contact with many of my friends (despite me trying to maintain it). Some I contact only via facebook. I'm down to just a few friends, and I don't meet up with them nearly as often as I'd want.

My day consist mostly of working (on a computer) and sleeping. Cleanign the apartment, going for a walk, doing some stuff. But most of the time after I get off the work computer, I sit down on my personal computer. Forum browsing. Modding. Playing games. atchin movies and anime..

A few walks or drinks with friends are a rare enough occurence to depress me that they are not more frequent.

Almost like you. After I finished Uni in 2010, my contact with my uni friends has decreased and only a few of us contact each other on Facebook. After I was proved that my history degree is useless, I decided to return to uni to study something else. I aimed big targets and I failed, now I know what to study that ain't easy or hard, just suitable. That was the main reason to return to uni, but my other reason is to find some other good friends...

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:44 .

[Isichar]

Gatt9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.

Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.

You can't objectively prove that the effect actually made any real positive effect on this girls life or by extension the people in her life in any significant way.

This just ties back into walking into someones life for 5 minutes, judging their quality of life and determining the universe shattering ways you will effect this persons life and in turn the world.

Modifié par Isichar, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:49 .

[Hey]

Filament wrote...

Actually the bus driver was so mesmerized by the girl's enchanting smile that he ran off the road and into a ravine, killing all passengers. Thanks, Beerfish.

lol

[RedArmyShogun]

Gatt9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.

Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.

Butterfly effect for the win! *shoves a pencil off a table so that a Tornado will form to kill people in the midwest*

[In Exile]

Gatt9 wrote...
Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Or maybe, since happiness is correlated with decreased attention to detail, she missed a step while getting off the bus, fell on her arm, and shattered her radius.

Maybe she had a dog who passed away, and when she got on the bus, she had to relive the feelings of loss she just recently experienced.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.

It's kind of comical to say that when we're putting random moments like that on some metaphysical pedestal. 

[BouncyFrag]

I got a smartphone last week and I noticed myself wandering around with my nose in the screen. Self-conscious, I looked around  and the two other random people I saw were also nose deep in their devices too.  Its the people who text and drive who worry me since drunk driving is safer than texting when driving. Humanity is a mess.

[mybudgee]

We all deserve our fate

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

mybudgee wrote...

We all deserve our fate

Or an autocratic state can handel things properly. If these Human Rights crusaders don't interfere.

[lady_v23]

Beerfish wrote...

Call me a luddite if you wish or a curmudgeon.  It's become disturbing how much these items are beginning to rule peoples lives.  My place of work is full of post secondary students.  On a short walk from one building to the other I decided to count people using or engrossed with these devices vs not.  14-8 in favor of users, walking down the hallway or sitting on a bench totally unaware of the world around them.  No eye contact, no conversation.  Totally distracted by these devices in which I'd say 95% of the info is not required in the here and now.

...ok?

Society is advancing.  Technology was created to facilitate the chores of man.  If people are too engrossed in their little piece of technology. then a) That's their business. it's not really technology fault is it?

Modifié par lady_v23, 13 septembre 2013 - 03:07 .