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It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.


Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.


One time I was talking to this guy during a bad snowstorm during my freshman year in college. We were both waiting for the bus in front of a college. He was a really cool and down to earth guy. He asked me if I could go get him from inside the school when the bus came, since it was cold outside and I didn't plan on going inside. I said sure why not. I saw the bus coming from down the street so I ran inside and got him. We both ended up missing the bus. I told him I wouldn't be able to do it again because I had just missed my first class because of that, but he went back inside anyways. He missed the bus again, and I ended up getting a cold on top of missing the quiz in that class.
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Something that wouldn't of happened if I would've just listened to my mp3 player.

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Isichar wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.


Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.


You can't objectively prove that the effect actually made any real positive effect on this girls life or by extension the people in her life in any significant way.

This just ties back into walking into someones life for 5 minutes, judging their quality of life and determining the universe shattering ways you will effect this persons life and in turn the world.


Actually,  you can.  If time is a series of branches,  and the fate of the universe is the culmination of the branches,  then that one moment altered the fate of the universe.

Butterfly Effect,  or Quantum Physics.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.


Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.


One time I was talking to this guy during a bad snowstorm during my freshman year in college. We were both waiting for the bus in front of a college. He was a really cool and down to earth guy. He asked me if I could go get him from inside the school when the bus came, since it was cold outside and I didn't plan on going inside. I said sure why not. I saw the bus coming from down the street so I ran inside and got him. We both ended up missing the bus. I told him I wouldn't be able to do it again because I had just missed my first class because of that, but he went back inside anyways. He missed the bus again, and I ended up getting a cold on top of missing the quiz in that class.
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Something that wouldn't of happened if I would've just listened to my mp3 player.


Extremely doubtful.  I'd be very surprised if you would stand there and leave your MP3 player on while someone was talking to you.

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I was listening to my mp3 player when he tapped me on the shoulder. At first I thought he just wanted somebody to talk to in the cold, but I suspect he just wanted someone to fetch him.

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#1 many but not all. There was still opportunity for people to actually interact with other people, make new friends before class etc. Now there is none.


That isn't true at all. People still talk to their classmates before a class, if they want to. The devices simply allow an easier way NOT to do that rather than simply looking away.

#2 There is no need to communicate with others if they are not there in front of you. People texting each other to tell each other they are walking to class is silly.


Meaningless statement unless you polled every one of those people you saw and asked them if they were not texting an old childhood friend who moved away, or perhaps a lover at another college, or perhaps their parents or grandparents (my grandmother's husband texts, though infrequently).

This also seems to perpetuate the need for other people all the time. Removes times for thought and or reflection, removes alone time, which is good for most people. Causes unneeded distractions from things more at hand. (I've seen people nearly get run over crossing the street oblivious to all things. Not to mention the distraction in driving.)


Wait, I thought this topic was complaining about people ignoring the world around them. Now you're advocating they ignore the world around them? Because that's what thought and reflection does. Surely you've heard of zoning out.


I'm not a huge fan of all this in general. However, I don't really feel it changes people. I feel it reveals people, reveals the true person. You have more opportunity to ignore, more opportunity to not notice the people around you--so it's a test.

For me, personally, I don't talk to people unsolicited at college. Ever. So the smartphone was not a negative change for me, it was a neutral change--one could even argue positive because now I can do something other than sit there and eye everyone else. I can be on BSN.

...that's a negative change, then. :P

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Beerfish wrote...

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I'll give an example of what I'm talking about from this morning.

Each morning I take my very friendly Yellow Lab for a walk before work. He is the type that if he sees a person on our walk he wants to go up wagging his tail and get petted up. I approach a bus stop and a gal is there deep in her ipod or whatever mobile device she had. I try and usher 'Nibbs' past her as she is preoccupied but Nibbs will have none of it and is standing there looking at her with his tail wagging.

Finally she looks up, see him, smiles and says 'hello there!' to Nibbs. I bring him up the gal pets him up and has a big smile on her face that remains as the bus pulls up and she gets on.

She almost missed chance to have that smile on her face 1st thing in the morning.


Let's assume that she had missed that chance, and got on the bus without a smile. So what? Does this somehow make her life worse because she looked at her mobile device instead of smiling at a stranger?

Would it have been any different had she been reading a book instead of looking at her mobile device?


Yes, 100% for sure her life is worse with out the smile.  Why?  Because people have their faces in their mobile devices 20 hours a day texting things like  "Wating at the bus stop now, wut r u doing?"  Don't notice a freindly dog, don't notice the smell of lilacs in bloom, don't actually strike up a convo with a person next to them that could lead to a new friendship.  The world closes in, does not open up for some of these people.

Hey, technology is a good thing but more and more people are zoning out.  As for the reading the book comment, it might be better if that person was reading a book instead of face first in their mobile ap.


First off, you didn't actually answer the question of how a smile makes her life better.

Additionally, you made another assumption that she's doing something meaningless on that phone rather than something important--which is quite possible.

Finally, why is reading a book better by definition? That doesn't make a lick of sense. I love reading and recently I've been reading over playing some video games, but to say it's objectively better is nonsense. To use your own logic, IF she had a paperback it could have been some crappy pulp romance that only served to turn her thoughts of romance into idealized fantasy that would leave her unsatisfied with RL.

Nothing's as simple as you're making it.

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Gatt9 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It seems you have a very narrow view point of the world, Beerfish.


Technically speaking,  Beerfish is right.

Because that woman looked up,  and saw a friendly dog that she then was able to pat,  she became happy.

Because she was happy,  she likely said or did something that brightened someone else's day,  perhaps told the story of the dog at the bus stop.  Perhaps just the bus driver or someone else on the bus seeing her smile.

Because she told someone else,  or perhaps just because of her smile,  it brightened their day a little,  they then did the same with someone else.

On and on,  a cascading series of people spreading a little bit of cheer,  all because a woman noticed a dog,  ultimately changing the course of human civilization just slightly as the ripples extend outwards.  That moment,  that dog,  will continue to have ripples until the universe itself ends.

A moment and a feeling that would've been lost if she hadn't looked up from her cell phone.

The problem isn't that Beerfish has a narrow view of the world,  the problem is that you do.  You need to learn that every moment in time,  and every action,  affects quite literally,  everything.


You can't objectively prove that the effect actually made any real positive effect on this girls life or by extension the people in her life in any significant way.

This just ties back into walking into someones life for 5 minutes, judging their quality of life and determining the universe shattering ways you will effect this persons life and in turn the world.


Actually,  you can.  If time is a series of branches,  and the fate of the universe is the culmination of the branches,  then that one moment altered the fate of the universe.

Butterfly Effect,  or Quantum Physics.


I can claim that me deciding to grab and orange juice instead of coffee for lunch is altering the fate of the universe too. Cause and effect is a real thing, the problem is you can only speculate as to the results of how this event actually effected her. Not everyone is going to react to the same situation identically, so why are you so certain the effect it has was a positive one?

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Butterfly Effect,  or Quantum Physics.


Neither, Psychological effect. You do/say something, It will be seeing in the future in a far away place. It makes an special impression.

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Entropic Angel wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

#1 many but not all. There was still opportunity for people to actually interact with other people, make new friends before class etc. Now there is none.



That isn't true at all. People still talk to their classmates before a class, if they want to. The devices simply allow an easier way NOT to do that rather than simply looking away.


Not to mention that there are a GREAT number of more conversations that start with "what are you listening to?" or "Have you seen this YouTube video? Oh, man, let me show you this clip" or "Did you just see this news come through? We're going to get 18 feet of snow here in an hour!"

Phones and other movile devices are not always conversation killers. In many cases, they are conversation STARTERS.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 septembre 2013 - 11:54 .