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[Vortex13]

I have been saying this for awhile in my "Darkspawn Allies" thread. No 'Pulling a Geth' but possible allies, yes.

[Volus Warlord]

Vortex13 wrote...

I have been saying this for awhile in my "Darkspawn Allies" thread. No 'Pulling a Geth' but possible allies, yes.

How could them being possible allies not be "pulling a geth?"

[In Exile]

Volus Warlord wrote...
How could them being possible allies not be "pulling a geth?"

Becuase they magically stop spreading the taint and don't rape women to reproduce in front of the player so players doesn't feel like they have to condone canibalistic rape to ally with them. 

Modifié par In Exile, 05 septembre 2013 - 12:48 .

[ThatGreekGuy93]

Would not surprise me at all if they turn out to be potential allies

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Unless Bioware breaks their own lore in DAI, there's no way the darkspawn could be the better alternative to the breached Veil, arguably even if the breached Veil would just straight up end the universe.

They could squeeze the square leg in that round plot hole if they really wanted to.

For instance, maybe the Big Bad is opening the tears in The Fade by using the Black City. And the only way to break into the Black City would be the influence and attack of a creature with the Taint running through its veins? And a Warden wouldn't cut it because <reasons>. 

Or maybe the Fade rips are being caused by the Big Bad dragging an Archdemon into The Fade, which, due to the nature of the dragons and their relationship with the world (again... <reasons>), this has caused the tears and, in order to fine the Archdemon in the endless, limitless Fade, Darkspawn would need to travel there and seem it out due to the Song they hear to help get the Archdemkn back into the Mundus...

It could go on and on. I'm not even on a coffee drip and whipped those up on the fly. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 05 septembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[Volus Warlord]

In Exile wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
How could them being possible allies not be "pulling a geth?"

Becuase they magically stop spreading the taint and don't rape women to reproduce in front of the player so Vortex doesn't feel have to condone canibalistic rape to ally with them. 

How does that address my question?

[In Exile]

Volus Warlord wrote...
How does that address my question?

It was snark. There isn't a way. 

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

It could go on and on. I'm not even on a coffee drip and whipped those up on the fly. 

Players could come up with lots of ways to not actually ally with the darkspawn. Like caging one. Or dragging a hunk of its carass. Or using a ghoul. It's the same sort of exercise in imagination. 

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

It could go on and on. I'm not even on a coffee drip and whipped those up on the fly. 

Players could come up with lots of ways to not actually ally with the darkspawn. Like caging one. Or dragging a hunk of its carass. Or using a ghoul. It's the same sort of exercise in imagination. 

Well, I wasn't saying they would be full "buddy-buddy" type of allies. 

For instance, the plot line about an Archdemon in the Fade could have the hanging threat in the air that the second the Archdemon was back in Mundus and the threat from the Fade was over, it was open season on any and all Darkspawn and the new Archdemon to prevent a Blight if at all possible.

Also - no ghouls. Darkspawn are bad enough, but at least they are born that way. Turning a sentient being into a twisted creature is pretty cruel. And yes, you could just stumble upon a ghoul... but how often would that happen outside of a Blight?

[mllrthyme]

I have a feeling the power of the taint will come into play regarding the veil tear... that doesn't sound odd at all.

Given what Avernus said regarding demons in DAO and their lack of familiarity with the darkspawn taint, I don't think OP's notion is wholly outrageous, although "vital allies" might be stretching it slightly.

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Well, I wasn't saying they would be full "buddy-buddy" type of allies.

It's like teaming up with the reapers. It's so far past the moral event horizon that you'll just have players - like myself - fight the hypothetical the entire time. 

In either case, the game has to explain why chaining one up like an animal isn't the preferred solution. 

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Well, I wasn't saying they would be full "buddy-buddy" type of allies.

It's like teaming up with the reapers. It's so far past the moral event horizon that you'll just have players - like myself - fight the hypothetical the entire time. 

In either case, the game has to explain why chaining one up like an animal isn't the preferred solution. 

Maybe they are the only one, physically, able to attack the Black City in my first example. And it would take the full force of a small army of them to break through, not something done easily in chains. Or perhaps they can't tell the Inquisitor where the Song is pulling them (after all, except for the Awakened Darkspawn, they can't talk), but the Inqusiitor can only follow them. And, again, for <reasons>, you'd need more than one (or the bloody pulp of flesh of one), so it wouldn't be a matter of getting one and then binding them to your will somehow, but an uneasy but neccessary team up. 

[Volus Warlord]

In Exile wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
How does that address my question?

It was snark. There isn't a way. 

Your snark was poorly executed.

[PantheraOnca]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Your snark was poorly executed.

I thought it worked well.

The taint may be vital, the darkspawn will not. (at least for my game)

Modifié par PantheraOnca, 05 septembre 2013 - 01:21 .

[Vortex13]

In Exile wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
How could them being possible allies not be "pulling a geth?"

Becuase they magically stop spreading the taint and don't rape women to reproduce in front of the player so players doesn't feel like they have to condone canibalistic rape to ally with them. 

@ Volus Warlord

Well seeing as how we had the Messenger helped the player outside Ameranthie (sp?) without being a self hating Darkspawn or cast a poor misunderstood monster. I say it is entirely within reason to say allies minus the 'Geth' part is possible.

@ In Exile

Thing is the Architect's protection of the Qunari merchant kinda already says "Yes, there is a magical way to not spread the Taint to uninfected."

Also why does an Awakened HAVE to rape women again? I get that that is how the un-Awakened Darkspawn reproduce, but really, having an Awakened ally automatically means he is raping all females in sight?

Lets see, recruiting Mages to help in DA:O.... hmm they didn't have to increase their numbers at all to help did they? Or what about the companions? Did Varric need to make some ladies pregnant to help Hawke on his many adventures? Since when does reproduction become the most vital element when seeking aid?

Also I will again ask, why would a small group of immortal creatures with sentience; not being driven by some Cuthulu-esque force; need to reproduce? We are talking about an ally to the Inquisitor here, not some baby factory to be used to pump out meat shields. I guess Dagna, Cullen, Cole, Varric, Cassandra, and Morrigan can't be considered allies either, because having allies = knocking a lot of chicks up apparently.

If a (hypothetical) Awakened Darkspawn ally is (as you say) only going to lead to cannibalism and rape, then siding with the Mages should ONLY lead to Blood Magic, and Demon summoning. Working with the Templars should ONLY lead to the death of all Mages, and the pillaging of defenseless villages. Working with the Qunari should ONLY lead to the subjugation of Thedas. Because ONLY the worst side of an individual being is what will result if you work with them.

.... Sorry, got carried away there.

/rant

[ev76]

If the dark spawn (talking ones at least) are allies then I want at least some of the wardens (led by Cory) to be bad guys.

[Star fury]

I think we saw that in ME2-3. But they were called Geth, not sure I want Geth 2.0. 

Modifié par Star fury, 05 septembre 2013 - 03:09 .

[Kpro_TM]

The enemy of my enemy...?

[Kharaide]

is my enemy

[Fast Jimmy]

Kharaide wrote...

is DELICIOUS!

Fixed that for you. 

[Jamie9]

I also denied Morrigan the OGB and killed the Architect, so yeah, I'm utterly screwed if this is the case.

[DarthLaxian]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Meh, my Male Human Templar Inquisitor will simply kill all demons/spirits. What threat is the Fade when it's empty, right?

That is to say, if he can't outright destroy the Fade entirely.

sorry, but:

do you know any lore at all?

if you do that, then you have a 100% tranquil population (including yourself - your connection to the fade and the ability to dream and experience emotions are linked in Dragon Age!)

greetings LAX
ps: i like that idea - because it is unexpected, but then again this reminds me too much of Mass Effect 3 - IMHO it should be possible to fight the big bad without resorting to another big bad or a deus ex machina!

[Ziegrif]

I remember in Awakening if you spared the Darkspawn messenger they became a vigilante hero or something.

I want an awakened darkspawn bro.