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[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
1. I think you're missing a few key thing's in your arguement. Yes, a blight needs an archdemon. It's the only thing that can control that much darkspwn...Even the awaken ones have a limit to how much they can control.
And you're missing a key not thing about war....Need. What need would the dark spawn whant with the surface when they as a race is sensitive to light?

If what happened with Velanna's people is any indication, because it's fun to watch us die. But hell, it might be that the darkspawn split off into factions and have some tribal war. Suddenly they need to replenish their numbers, which means kidnapping and raping women to make more darkspawn. And they need a fresh factory of living non-darkspawn to turn into Grey Wardens and then milk for their blood to become awakend in the first place.

2.That was not a lie. You're not getting the fact here that they have a different morality then we do. That was a miss understanding. If he was really a problem he would of never helped us with the mother and warn us about her amries and he would of sent his armies to clean up ours after dealing with the mothers. 

Even if we somehow assume that the Architect abandoned his plan and wants nothing more than hugs and roses, we proved two things: (i) lots of awakend go completely nusts, which is how we got the mother ,(ii) he can't control his own forces, which is why everyone in Vigil is dead, and (iii) he often doesn't care the kind of death and suffering he inflicts if it achieves his goal.

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

[The Elder King]

In the last GI video interview (not the podcast), Laidlaw stated that their intend is to portray demons and darkspawn as bad/evil. I doubt that they'll give the chance to alla with them, even less as necessary/vital for defeating the main enemies.

Modifié par hhh89, 05 septembre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Herr Uhl]

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

[The Elder King]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

Some women to use as broodmothers?

[Palidane]

Uhh, I'm not sure why this even needs to be said, but I agree with In Exile. Life is fundamentally opposed to the Darkspawn in every way. They want to kill us with every fiber of their being, and even if they wanted to make peace, we still cannot coexist. As long as Darkspawn spread the blight and can only reproduce by Broodmothers, there can only be a war of annihilation. We destroy them or they destroy us.

[Herr Uhl]

hhh89 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

Some women to use as broodmothers?

So we pay them in the blood of our own until they grow strong enough to just take it.

Brilliant!

[leaguer of one]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

The veil is torn. They ofcorse want to make sure they live through it.

[Herr Uhl]

leaguer of one wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

The veil is torn. They ofcorse want to make sure they live through it.

So your pitch is that "If you don't take our ladies we will help you avoid the apocalypse"? The problem (hypothetically) wouldn't be to make them fight demons. It would be to make them not fight you.

[The Elder King]

leaguer of one wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

The veil is torn. They ofcorse want to make sure they live through it.

You're assuming that they're in danger because of that. It might be the opposed. Avernus stated that the taint is unknown to the demons, and effective against them.

[leaguer of one]

Palidane wrote...

Uhh, I'm not sure why this even needs to be said, but I agree with In Exile. Life is fundamentally opposed to the Darkspawn in every way. They want to kill us with every fiber of their being, and even if they wanted to make peace, we still cannot coexist. As long as Darkspawn spread the blight and can only reproduce by Broodmothers, there can only be a war of annihilation. We destroy them or they destroy us.

You do understand that they only need more darkspawn for war and have no need to constatly repopulate out side of that...And they are immortal out side of brutal death.

[leaguer of one]

hhh89 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

The veil is torn. They ofcorse want to make sure they live through it.

You're assuming that they're in danger because of that. It might be the opposed. Avernus stated that the taint is unknown to the demons, and effective against them.

But the demons of the fade can still kill them. Added the demons have no end to there numbers. Demons can make a faster more voilent horde then the darkspawn.

[Cainhurst Crow]

There's only 1 darkspawn I want as an ally.



Bring him back.

[The Elder King]

Herr Uhl wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...


What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

Some women to use as broodmothers?

So we pay them in the blood of our own until they grow strong enough to just take it.

Brilliant!

It's a plan that brilliant minds like Cailan and Gamlen could think and execute.

[leaguer of one]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

The veil is torn. They ofcorse want to make sure they live through it.

So your pitch is that "If you don't take our ladies we will help you avoid the apocalypse"? The problem (hypothetically) wouldn't be to make them fight demons. It would be to make them not fight you.

What do darkspawn need to repopulate out side of war? You're missing aspects of need here. Do awaken darkspawn want to make more darkspawn?

[Palidane]

leaguer of one wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Uhh, I'm not sure why this even needs to be said, but I agree with In Exile. Life is fundamentally opposed to the Darkspawn in every way. They want to kill us with every fiber of their being, and even if they wanted to make peace, we still cannot coexist. As long as Darkspawn spread the blight and can only reproduce by Broodmothers, there can only be a war of annihilation. We destroy them or they destroy us.

You do understand that they only need more darkspawn for war and have no need to constatly repopulate out side of that...And they are immortal out side of brutal death.

And you do understand that Darkspawn are not freaking intelligent, right? We have run into about 50 Awakened Darkspawn, almost all of which have been normal Darkspawn, just meaner. The nicest of the Awakened thought that killing 99% of every single living thing in Thedas was a swell idea. So that leaves us millions of inhuman, anti-life monsters constantly searching for the remaining Archdemons, and about 12 inhuman, anti-life monsters that just kill people, because? We cannot ally with Darkspawn. There is nobody to speak for all the Darkspawn. There is no way to Awaken the rest of the Darkspawn. There is no cure for the Blight.

We destroy them, or they destroy us.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Palidane wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Uhh, I'm not sure why this even needs to be said, but I agree with In Exile. Life is fundamentally opposed to the Darkspawn in every way. They want to kill us with every fiber of their being, and even if they wanted to make peace, we still cannot coexist. As long as Darkspawn spread the blight and can only reproduce by Broodmothers, there can only be a war of annihilation. We destroy them or they destroy us.

You do understand that they only need more darkspawn for war and have no need to constatly repopulate out side of that...And they are immortal out side of brutal death.

And you do understand that Darkspawn are not freaking intelligent, right? We have run into about 50 Awakened Darkspawn, almost all of which have been normal Darkspawn, just meaner. The nicest of the Awakened thought that killing 99% of every single living thing in Thedas was a swell idea. So that leaves us millions of inhuman, anti-life monsters constantly searching for the remaining Archdemons, and about 12 inhuman, anti-life monsters that just kill people, because? We cannot ally with Darkspawn. There is nobody to speak for all the Darkspawn. There is no way to Awaken the rest of the Darkspawn. There is no cure for the Blight.

We destroy them, or they destroy us.

What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

[leaguer of one]

Palidane wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Uhh, I'm not sure why this even needs to be said, but I agree with In Exile. Life is fundamentally opposed to the Darkspawn in every way. They want to kill us with every fiber of their being, and even if they wanted to make peace, we still cannot coexist. As long as Darkspawn spread the blight and can only reproduce by Broodmothers, there can only be a war of annihilation. We destroy them or they destroy us.

You do understand that they only need more darkspawn for war and have no need to constatly repopulate out side of that...And they are immortal out side of brutal death.

And you do understand that Darkspawn are not freaking intelligent, right? We have run into about 50 Awakened Darkspawn, almost all of which have been normal Darkspawn, just meaner. The nicest of the Awakened thought that killing 99% of every single living thing in Thedas was a swell idea. So that leaves us millions of inhuman, anti-life monsters constantly searching for the remaining Archdemons, and about 12 inhuman, anti-life monsters that just kill people, because? We cannot ally with Darkspawn. There is nobody to speak for all the Darkspawn. There is no way to Awaken the rest of the Darkspawn. There is no cure for the Blight.

We destroy them, or they destroy us.

But awaken darkspawn are intelegent...Just voilent as well. And that need of violence does not ensure they are enemies. It's a concept of orange and blue morality. My points as they are darkspawn are an ensured danger. Intelegent we can manipulate that danger. Heck, none of the architects plans would not work with out help form the surface anyway.

[Vortex13]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There's only 1 darkspawn I want as an ally.



Bring him back.

This. The poster child of what is possible with an Awakened ally.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Again, cased of organge and blue morality. But the thing is that when they are mindless they do the same thing anyway. Atleast with them having a mind we can nagotiate to prevent this.

What could you give them that they want? What negotiation chips do you have to offer darkspawn?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Like the grey warden job is stop the blight at all cost (even if it means working with demons), our job is to investigate how and why the veil was torn and stop demons from taking over the world. If the darkspawn can do that, I'll gladly let them kill demons for me.

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Palidane wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Uhh, I'm not sure why this even needs to be said, but I agree with In Exile. Life is fundamentally opposed to the Darkspawn in every way. They want to kill us with every fiber of their being, and even if they wanted to make peace, we still cannot coexist. As long as Darkspawn spread the blight and can only reproduce by Broodmothers, there can only be a war of annihilation. We destroy them or they destroy us.

You do understand that they only need more darkspawn for war and have no need to constatly repopulate out side of that...And they are immortal out side of brutal death.

And you do understand that Darkspawn are not freaking intelligent, right? We have run into about 50 Awakened Darkspawn, almost all of which have been normal Darkspawn, just meaner. The nicest of the Awakened thought that killing 99% of every single living thing in Thedas was a swell idea. So that leaves us millions of inhuman, anti-life monsters constantly searching for the remaining Archdemons, and about 12 inhuman, anti-life monsters that just kill people, because? We cannot ally with Darkspawn. There is nobody to speak for all the Darkspawn. There is no way to Awaken the rest of the Darkspawn. There is no cure for the Blight.

We destroy them, or they destroy us.

What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

He means the architect.

[The Elder King]

Awakened would still think at their race's future (at least some of them). The Architect's plans have the goal to ensure his race's survival, and not necessarily with the mortals' safety in minds. I don't see why they would stop trying to create more of their kind, without considering that some of them would kill, eat or rape mortals because they might like to.
Even with intelligence, their mind is completely different from the other races. They're alien.

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
What do darkspawn need to repopulate out side of war? You're missing aspects of need here. Do awaken darkspawn want to make more darkspawn?

The Awakened darkspawn aren't pacificst. They kill the **** out of whatever they find. Even if we assume they're happy to isolate themselves in the Deep Roads, if they're anything like us, they'll lose people to just plain bickering and murder. If their murder rate is .05% and they live forever they will be extinct unless they rape us.

And since they're not idiots, they have to know that the dwarves will want their lands back and will take them if they get weak enough. So they need to rape just to keep their numbers up out of self-defence and self-preservation. 

And that'sassuming they're basically pacifist. 

[In Exile]

Vortex13 wrote...
This. The poster child of what is possible with an Awakened ally.

The one who infected people with the taint? Assuming he even saved one woman whom he also infected, she's about to be mercilesly raped and mutated. 

Modifié par In Exile, 05 septembre 2013 - 06:35 .

[The Elder King]

The Messenger is indeed nice, helping everyone he could. It doesn't mean that he still tainted people.

Modifié par hhh89, 05 septembre 2013 - 06:35 .

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What do darkspawn need to repopulate out side of war? You're missing aspects of need here. Do awaken darkspawn want to make more darkspawn?

The Awakened darkspawn aren't pacificst. They kill the **** out of whatever they find. Even if we assume they're happy to isolate themselves in the Deep Roads, if they're anything like us, they'll lose people to just plain bickering and murder. If their murder rate is .05% and they live forever they will be extinct unless they rape us.

And since they're not idiots, they have to know that the dwarves will want their lands back and will take them if they get weak enough. So they need to rape just to keep their numbers up out of self-defence and self-preservation. 

And that'sassuming they're basically pacifist. 

I'm not assuming they are pacificst. I'm saying we can at least get them to stop doing that. The architect at the very least had his darkspawn stop attacking the wardesns and the serface in greneral. So it's possible.