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[Palidane]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

Right, forgot about him. I was referring to the Architect.

So yeah, that guy seems to be ok, but he still spreads the Blight to the people he rescues. He is still an anti-life monster. If he doesn't return to the Deep Roads, I'm still going to have to kill him. And really, It doesn't say much for the Darkspawn that in order to wipe them all out, I'd have to feel bad about killing one of them.

Modifié par Palidane, 05 septembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[leaguer of one]

hhh89 wrote...

The Messenger is indeed nice, helping everyone he could. It doesn't mean that he still tainted people.

But the architect has a way from stopping that from happening. 

[leaguer of one]

Palidane wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

Right, forgot about him. I was referring to the Architect.

So yeah, that guy seems to be ok, but he still spreads the Blight to the people he rescues. He is still an anti-life monster. If he doesn't return to the Deep Roads, I'm still going to have to kill him. And really, It doesn't say much for the Darkspawn that in order to wipe them all out, I'd have to feel bad about killing one of them.

You do know that the architect has a way to prevent the taint form spreading.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

leaguer of one wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

Right, forgot about him. I was referring to the Architect.

So yeah, that guy seems to be ok, but he still spreads the Blight to the people he rescues. He is still an anti-life monster. If he doesn't return to the Deep Roads, I'm still going to have to kill him. And really, It doesn't say much for the Darkspawn that in order to wipe them all out, I'd have to feel bad about killing one of them.

You do know that the architect has a way to prevent the taint form spreading.

After reading "The Calling", I'd say it's a terrible plan.

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
]I'm not assuming they are pacificst. I'm saying we can at least get them to stop doing that. The architect at the very least had his darkspawn stop attacking the wardesns and the serface in greneral. So it's possible.

The Architect (i) caused the Fifth blight by accident (ii) had everyone in Vigil's keep murdered, either because he can't control his darkspawn or because he actively ordered the slaughter (iii) kidnapped you to experiment on you (iv) is clearly shown, via his journas, to have zero regard for non-darkspawn life and use them as tools, cf. Vellana's sister, and (v) created the Mother.

And that's ignoring is plan to turn everyone into a ghoul. 

[leaguer of one]

hhh89 wrote...

Awakened would still think at their race's future (at least some of them). The Architect's plans have the goal to ensure his race's survival, and not necessarily with the mortals' safety in minds. I don't see why they would stop trying to create more of their kind, without considering that some of them would kill, eat or rape mortals because they might like to.
Even with intelligence, their mind is completely different from the other races. They're alien.

Agreed. But that does not mean we can't quellthis from happening.

[leaguer of one]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

Right, forgot about him. I was referring to the Architect.

So yeah, that guy seems to be ok, but he still spreads the Blight to the people he rescues. He is still an anti-life monster. If he doesn't return to the Deep Roads, I'm still going to have to kill him. And really, It doesn't say much for the Darkspawn that in order to wipe them all out, I'd have to feel bad about killing one of them.

You do know that the architect has a way to prevent the taint form spreading.

After reading "The Calling", I'd say it's a terrible plan.

Not that. That's was his plan for co-exsistance. He has actual atifacts that stop the spead of the taint.

[Palidane]

leaguer of one wrote...
But awaken darkspawn are intelegent...Just voilent as well. And that need of violence does not ensure they are enemies. It's a concept of orange and blue morality. My points as they are darkspawn are an ensured danger. Intelegent we can manipulate that danger. Heck, none of the architects plans would not work with out help form the surface anyway.

Just because they view things differently from us doesn't excuse their actions. "Blue and orange morality" is not some magical phrase that absolves the Darkspawn of all guilt. Normal Darkspawn are like rabid dogs that have to be put down. I have no qualms with doing that, even if I don't hate them. 99% of Awakened are people who choose to be murderers, who also have to be put down. I am enthusiastic about that, because they're a bunch of freaking murderers who need to die.

The Messenger is a nice guy that still needs to be put down, but I will feel bad about doing it.

Again, we destroy them or they destroy us.

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
Not that. That's was his plan for co-exsistance. He has actual atifacts that stop the spead of the taint.

We have zero evidence of that. The qunari merchant thinks he has a charm, but there's evidence that's false. The best example is Velanna's sister, who is tainted. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Palidane wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
What do you mean the nicest? The Messanger was the nicest awakened darkspawn, and he went on to be a vigilante who helps anyone he comes across on his journey.

Right, forgot about him. I was referring to the Architect.

So yeah, that guy seems to be ok, but he still spreads the Blight to the people he rescues. He is still an anti-life monster. If he doesn't return to the Deep Roads, I'm still going to have to kill him. And really, It doesn't say much for the Darkspawn that in order to wipe them all out, I'd have to feel bad about killing one of them.

Everywhere he goes should play the sad hulk walking away music.

[Herr Uhl]

leaguer of one wrote...

What do darkspawn need to repopulate out side of war? You're missing aspects of need here. Do awaken darkspawn want to make more darkspawn?

Why wouldn't they want to make more darkspawn? They'd also have to be the only entity that is wholly pacifist.

What is your negotiation chip against the darkspawn if they decide to keep the sentient races in farms after the veil tear is dealt with? You have yet to give me a reason why they would desist.

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
]I'm not assuming they are pacificst. I'm saying we can at least get them to stop doing that. The architect at the very least had his darkspawn stop attacking the wardesns and the serface in greneral. So it's possible.

The Architect (i) caused the Fifth blight by accident (ii) had everyone in Vigil's keep murdered, either because he can't control his darkspawn or because he actively ordered the slaughter (iii) kidnapped you to experiment on you (iv) is clearly shown, via his journas, to have zero regard for non-darkspawn life and use them as tools, cf. Vellana's sister, and (v) created the Mother.

And that's ignoring is plan to turn everyone into a ghoul. 

Yes, he started the 5th blight...but that would of happen reguardless at anytime. Your 2nd to 4th point is a scase of orange and blue morality and that expenment was just to get your blood not turn you into a goul,which he can will fully do. The 2nd point was a mistake with darkspawn nature.

That does not mean we can't quell there nature.

[ObserverStatus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Then I'll do a bunch of quest for them because despite being my vital allies and having massive numbers, they'll also be highly incompetent and have problems that only three people led by myself will be able to solve.
You know, like the Templars, Ferelden nobles, dwarves, and dalish in DA:O

Those Desire Demons seem to have their heads on straight. You never see one of them asking for help.
No, they're just doing their own things, ruling a town with an army of undead, playing house, when suddenly a bunch of overdressed twits show up demanding answers.

Damn right. If demons are able to take over Thedas, it will be much better managed.

Wouldn't it have been something if the Warden could have enlisted the Desire Demon's undead army to fight the darkspawn? ;D

[leaguer of one]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

What do darkspawn need to repopulate out side of war? You're missing aspects of need here. Do awaken darkspawn want to make more darkspawn?

Why wouldn't they want to make more darkspawn? They'd also have to be the only entity that is wholly pacifist.

What is your negotiation chip against the darkspawn if they decide to keep the sentient races in farms after the veil tear is dealt with? You have yet to give me a reason why they would desist.

"Why wouldn't they want to make more darkspawn?" Because they don't need more darkspawn out side of war.

Add, their only need is to survive. That does not include making more darkspawn being that the taint makes them immortal.

[leaguer of one]

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

I'd throw the disc out of a window.

You'll throw the disc out the window if it's an option?

[In Exile]

Herr Uhl wrote...

What is your negotiation chip against the darkspawn if they decide to keep the sentient races in farms after the veil tear is dealt with? You have yet to give me a reason why they would desist.

Keeping in mind, of course, that they don't just need to rape women to create more darkspawn, but that they need to forcibly turn people into GWs to milk to create more awakened. 

[Herr Uhl]

leaguer of one wrote...

"Why wouldn't they want to make more darkspawn?" Because they don't need more darkspawn out side of war.

Add, their only need is to survive. That does not include making more darkspawn being that the taint makes them immortal.

So you're assuming that being immortal means they have no ambitions? You're not turning them into geth, you're going far, far beyond that point.

Why do humans have more than two children per couple? After all, that is all that they need to provide for the survival of the species.

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

What is your negotiation chip against the darkspawn if they decide to keep the sentient races in farms after the veil tear is dealt with? You have yet to give me a reason why they would desist.

Keeping in mind, of course, that they don't just need to rape women to create more darkspawn, but that they need to forcibly turn people into GWs to milk to create more awakened. 

Being that was have blood from the last archdemon, it's clear they can store blood for years.

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
Yes, he started the 5th blight...but that would of happen reguardless at anytime.  

It would have, but that doesn't mean he isn't directly responsible for it. The Architect is like the Illusive Man - he goes from causing one world-ending screw-up to creatig another world-ending screw-up.

Your 2nd to 4th point is a scase of orange and blue morality and that expenment was just to get your blood not turn you into a goul,which he can will fully do.

It's blue and orange morality to forcibly rape women, feed them the flesh of men of their own race, and mutate them into giant broodmothers to breed more darkspawn. If their morality is so alien, why wouldn't they kill us all so that they can make banjo's out of our skulls? 

The 2nd point was a mistake with darkspawn nature.

That does not mean we can't quell there nature. 

So you're saying that it's their nature to kill and murder for fun, and that they have absolutely no sense of good and evil.

What exactly is your magical plan for turning monstrous immortal sociopathic and  psychopathic immortal rape machines into having a "quelled' nature? 

[leaguer of one]

Herr Uhl wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

"Why wouldn't they want to make more darkspawn?" Because they don't need more darkspawn out side of war.

Add, their only need is to survive. That does not include making more darkspawn being that the taint makes them immortal.

So you're assuming that being immortal means they have no ambitions? You're not turning them into geth, you're going far, far beyond that point.

Why do humans have more than two children per couple? After all, that is all that they need to provide for the survival of the species.

Humans have family units and needs for breeding outside of the want to make more children. Darkspawn are alien to the point that they don't have those desires. Darkspawn , even awaken don't have a want to breed or family.

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
Being that was have blood from the last archdemon, it's clear they can store blood for years.

They don't need darkspawn blood. They need GW blood. And GWs have an expiration date. 

[Palidane]

I still haven't heard a single good reason why shouldn't just kill them all. I mean, that's worked out pretty well so far, right?

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Yes, he started the 5th blight...but that would of happen reguardless at anytime.  

It would have, but that doesn't mean he isn't directly responsible for it. The Architect is like the Illusive Man - he goes from causing one world-ending screw-up to creatig another world-ending screw-up.

Your 2nd to 4th point is a scase of orange and blue morality and that expenment was just to get your blood not turn you into a goul,which he can will fully do.

It's blue and orange morality to forcibly rape women, feed them the flesh of men of their own race, and mutate them into giant broodmothers to breed more darkspawn. If their morality is so alien, why wouldn't they kill us all so that they can make banjo's out of our skulls? 

The 2nd point was a mistake with darkspawn nature.

That does not mean we can't quell there nature. 

So you're saying that it's their nature to kill and murder for fun, and that they have absolutely no sense of good and evil.

What exactly is your magical plan for turning monstrous immortal sociopathic and  psychopathic immortal rape machines into having a "quelled' nature? 

1.No he is not. TIM's issue is the want to control. The architect issue is the want to servive.
2. I love for you to point out where an awaken darkspawn did that.. Add it's ensured they would do that if they are kept mindless.
3. Understand that morality is is not relative, it's subjective and it can be learned. All being of nature have the insticts for violence one way or another. Through moraly we can ether enhance that desire or quell it. I seen many times other races in da with the same joy of killing. The fact that awaken darkspawn can learn they can learn to see that it's wrong. It's a case a child enjoy taking off the legs of insect and the parent teaching them it's not right.