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[packardbell]

TIM is probably a father figure to her, honestly they wouldn't make that twist MORE obvious.

[dmurray30]

yeah she is,TIM would be the only guy that could genetically change a person. she does work for him too. changing someones DNA would be both illegal and very hard; its bound to be him.

[Maugrim]

dmurray30 wrote...

yeah she is,TIM would be the only guy that could genetically change a person. she does work for him too. changing someones DNA would be both illegal and very hard; its bound to be him.

Umm genetic manipulation is as common in the  Mass Effect universe as coffee shops in Seattle.  Read the codex, books hell do the sidequest about the man and woman arguing over whether to have in utero gene therapy for her child.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:37 .

[Chuck Fandango]

Ok, I'm going with the theory that she IS TIM's daughter.

My hypothesis is that she is genetically related to TIM (i.e his DNA + unknown mother) She was then given over as a baby to a surrogate family on Earth & then subtly steered towards pro-human Cerberus as she grew up. Unless TIM actually tells her, she wouldn't even know she was his daughter.

I do realise that this plot is basically the Star Wars plot, but it does seem plausible. I guess we'll see who's right when it's released!

Modifié par Chuck Fandango, 19 janvier 2010 - 01:33 .

[Darth_Shizz]

Darth Sithari wrote...

Don't mean this to be sound rude or offensive but,

as common forum courtesy, you shouldn't post an enormous SPOILER DISCOVERED thread like this unless you have absolute confirmation. It's misleading.

Besides, unless my reading fails me, this is a NO SPOILERS ALLOWED sub...it's probably best not to post any spoilers now until a mod moves it over to the appropriate sub-forum.

[GrouchoMarxist]

shinobi602 wrote...

But where is the connection that Illusive Man automatically = her father? Or it's just random speculation? I mean he doesn't even look that old to be her father...

According to the novels, the Illusive Man is at least 100+ years old.

[DPSSOC]

Ok I understand that with release day so close speculation is runnig rampant but how do you go from



Miranda was genetically altered by her father (who according to her page on the site was a rather wealthy man)



to



TIM is Miranda's father?



Evil Knievel couldn't have made that leap.



I'm not saying it's not a possibility but that's a huge jump to make. Genetic engineering is common, heck the guy on Noveria talks about augmenting physical stamina, vision, reducing muscle atrophy in a 0-g environment. There are limits and restrictions on what can be done but if there's one thing that can easily get around the law it's money.

[Badpie]

I'm betting on TIM being her daddy, personally. Makes sense why she would be so begrudgingly "loyal" to Cerberus.

[GrouchoMarxist]

Her loyalty achievement is called "The Prodigal". I'm sure everyone who knows their catechism has the feeling that you will get to reconcile her with that father of hers, or get back in touch with her family, whoever that is, during her optional quest. I don't think it would be TIM, in that case, since she is already well in contact with him.

[handheld]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Eh, she makes reference to her father being her designer, but in no way does she ever indicate that it's TIM.

That's just a hunch/gut-feeling you have made.

Handheld himself knows that doves dont have guts and they dont have hunch's either as then they would be hunchdove of north america.

[yummysoap]

It's not that much of a stretch, considering TIM's love of genetic alters and experiments; it's not crazy to think he would do that to his daughter. Plus, she's the right age appearance-wise.



However, it does seem a little too obvious.

[JakePT]

So the Illusive Man's real full name is Illusive Man Lawson?

Modifié par JakePT, 19 janvier 2010 - 02:41 .

[GrouchoMarxist]

yummysoap wrote...

It's not that much of a stretch, considering TIM's love of genetic alters and experiments; it's not crazy to think he would do that to his daughter. Plus, she's the right age appearance-wise.

However, it does seem a little too obvious.

As I said, TIM is 100+ years old, He could have children that looked older than him.

[yummysoap]

GrouchoMarxist wrote...

As I said, TIM is 100+ years old, He could have children that looked older than him.

Naw.

First contact war was, like, 30 years before Mass Effect one. In Ascension he was said to have had a family so assuming he was in his mid-thirties come FCW and took the mantle after that he would be in his 60s-70s.

Miranda is 35, as stated in her bio. So it's not unusual at all.

EDIT: He could very well be 100+, though. I'm just saying that's not necessarily the case.

Modifié par yummysoap, 19 janvier 2010 - 02:49 .

[DrDoom6]

Leaps of logic are fun.

[tommythetomcat]

Miranda is Kaizer Soze



Consider yourselves spoiled.

[blank1]

Being 100 isn't that old in the ME universe for people, who can live to 150.

Modifié par blank1, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:31 .

[GrouchoMarxist]

blank1 wrote...

Being 100 isn't that old in the ME universe for people, who can live to 150.

But pretty old for his appearance, I think. He's probably the Cher of his generation.

[Zegir]

See, Miranda isn't the Illusive Man's daughter.

[quote]LucidStrike wrote...

I believe Yvonne, Miranda's voice actor, says that Miranda was modified by her father. She does come from a wealthy family. It's reasonable to suspect that Miranda knew her father all along. The following bit from the BioWare website casts doubt on the relation between Miranda and TIM, because it seems to imply that Miranda had not known TIM all along:[/quote]

Who do we all know who's wealthly? The Shadow Broker.

[quote]BioWare
Early in her life she approached Cerberus and the Illusive Man and she is now devoted to their cause.[/quote]That said, I'm not sure it's impossible.
[/quote]

Miranda is the Shadow Broker's daughter. It explains why she left and went to work for Cerberus. The Shadow Broker possibly tried  to genetically alter her to further his goals. She was probably a subject of his when he first began to start his career; he needed pawns. As time went on conflict arose between the two, which prompted Miranda to leave and join Cerberus. This also explains why Miranda is good at what she does, why she has such a controlling attitude(much like the Shadow Broker and how he says, "I always succeed"), the descriptions claiming she's the "perfect woman", and why the Illusive Man keeps her so close.

(Post pointing out how much fun speculating can be. I'm not serious.)

[shinobi602]

blank1 wrote...

Being 100 isn't that old in the ME universe for people, who can live to 150.

It's not like everybody can live to 150. Shepard said humans would be LUCKY to even hit 150.

100 is still old. Let's say in ME most humans live to around 130.

Today, someone would be lucky to hit 100, so a person who is around 70 years old is still considered old.

[DeathCultArm]

TIM is going to be a mentor figure. Being his daughter is too cliche.

[DeathCultArm]

Even though, them being linked romantically isn't out of the question.

Modifié par DeathCultArm, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:46 .

[DeathCultArm]

When they're used too much...Hence making them cliches...