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[Eveangaline]

Is there a singular badguy? There's a natural disaster going on, and that's what you have to stop. Meanwhile there are different factions that will end up fighting you, but not so much because they're pro- this natural disaster, but more likely because they feel your organization is a threat to their own ideas or personal power.

[Shared]

Eveangaline wrote...

Is there a singular badguy? There's a natural disaster going on, and that's what you have to stop. Meanwhile there are different factions that will end up fighting you, but not so much because they're pro- this natural disaster, but more likely because they feel your organization is a threat to their own ideas or personal power.

Its an unnatural disaster. A fade tear is not something that just happnes, its made to happen.

[Eveangaline]

Shared wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Is there a singular badguy? There's a natural disaster going on, and that's what you have to stop. Meanwhile there are different factions that will end up fighting you, but not so much because they're pro- this natural disaster, but more likely because they feel your organization is a threat to their own ideas or personal power.

Its an unnatural disaster. A fade tear is not something that just happnes, its made to happen.

For all we know that's how a universe with a fade works. It has occasional 'fade quakes'. But they happen so far apart they haven't been recorded before.

Or maybe worse. Maybe the fade has a finite lifespan like many natural things and is just falling apart after years of wear and tear.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 06 septembre 2013 - 07:29 .

[RabbitWrath]

How do we know that Flemeth isn't or wasn't an Old God Child herself?

[Maiden Crowe]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

The first blight begins in 800 TE led by Dumat lasts close to 200 years before a grey warden finally killed it during the battle of the silent field's 1,000+ years before DAO confirmed to be dead and it's spine and claw was made a set of weapons.[992TE]

The second blight begins in 1199 TE led by Zazikale lasts 90 years until a grey warden named Corn kills it in 1289 TE at the battle of Starkheaven confirmed to be dead.

The third blight begins in 1404 TE led by Toth and killed by a grey warden at Hunters Fell after just 15 years the weapon used to kill it became the thorn of the dead God's after it shattered in 1419 TE. Confirmed to be dead.

The fourth blight ends in 1618 TE led by Andoral killed by the Elven hero Garharel at the battle of Ayesleigh. Confirmed to be dead.

The fifth blight begin in 2024 TE led by Urhemiel ends after 1 years in 2025 TE after a grey warden kills or does the ritual.

So exactly where's your God baby in any of that lol.

It will be dealt with in this game or the next.

Ah but what is to stop someone from performing the ritual then killing the Grey Warden themselves after they defeat the Archdemon making it look like the Grey Warden was killed by absorbing the Archdemon's soul? 

Stop trolling the only creature that knows the ritual is Flemeth and every single one that I mentioned killed the Archdemon in front of armies and then died because the archdemon and grey wardens soul destroy each other also Gaider quote covers every archdemon that was ever killed by a grey warden.

Wrong, it has been clearly demonstrated that Morrigan also knows the ritual, looks like you don't know as much about the Dragon Age universe as you think you do so how can we believe anything you say?

Vapaä wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Ah but what is to stop someone from performing the ritual then killing the Grey Warden themselves after they defeat the Archdemon making it look like the Grey Warden was killed by absorbing the Archdemon's soul? 

...you're just grasping at straws

Isnt that what everyone else does when trying to explain other things in the Dragon Age universe like the reason for Loghain's actions? So what you are saying is that for the Dragon Age universe this theory is perfectly plausible?

[Razored1313]

the game informer article- the one in the magazine that is, not the da hub- mentions that from the start of the game you have an equal who is working against you but you don't know immediately who he or she....or it is and part of the plot is figuring that out. it also confirms we have someone directly responsible for the veil tear, as it says, "the demons pouring out of the sky are an obvious threat, but you learn early on that a single mastermind is behind the breach and all the chaos surrounding it". As to who is behind it i have no idea and flemeth and/or morrigan just seems too obvious to be correct in my opinion.

Modifié par froogle345, 06 septembre 2013 - 09:43 .

[RabbitWrath]

Maybe this person is The Maker... or one of The Creators (elf gods) who tore the veil.

Also we keep saying that Morrigan and Flemeth is the only ones who knew about the DR but Flemeth had to get it from somewhere.

So much speculation as to who or what Flemeth is. However as I asked before.... How do we know that Flemeth isn't some kind of Old God Child that passed down the DR and altered it so a Grey Warden could live.

I'm just saying that even if all the other Grey Warden's died before.... Maybe this time around Flemeth found a way so the Grey Warden could live.

I'm just saying that could be why she passed it down to Morrigan and it's able to allow any Grey Warden to live when they kill the Archdemon.

Also maybe the reason it was only know about this last time is Flemeth is picking and choosing what soul to "set free" if you will.

As for the veil itself ... it's tore in several places. Or at least we know that there is several places that its very weak and has splinter size tares. It could also be a matter of several things. Like a domino affect that caused this to happen and this just allows someone to take advantage of the weak veil and cause it to open beyond it's normal already weakened state.

[Boycott Bioware]

The bad guy is...the bald guy

Most bad guys in DA are bald...seriously...look at Zathrian, Uldred, Tevinter slaver at Alienage, Ser Alrik, mercenary captain at Back Alley, Darkspawns, Carta Thugs, Dougal, Orsino,...

[Vapaa]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Isnt that what everyone else does when trying to explain other things in the Dragon Age universe like the reason for Loghain's actions?

That's not an explanation, that's a fanfiction, you're inventing something not supported by the lore (time travel) then when confronted at the evidence that no OGB could've been born during the blights (because all the GW that struck the final blow died) , you came up with a convoluted justification that someone killed the GW without anyone noticing.

Your whole point is build on inventions, not a single thing you said is supported by the known lore.

Modifié par Vapaä, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:32 .

[MWImexico]

-Well, I suppose the easiest part is to say that Morrigan can't be the big bad, the OGB isn't canon so, for some players who didn't perform the ritual, Morrigan has no real reason to orchestrate such a big event. Though she still might be involved in a lesser level in that conspiracy, especially if she gets some reward by doing so (that's her style). In an other way, she might also want to save her own skin, maybe that's the reason why she contacts the Inquisotor in the first place?

-About Flemeth, in my opinion she is an old god, not a reincarnated one (like the OGB) but an original. I think she could be some sort of exeption, the one who didn't fell under the malediction like the others. This could makes her a potential great antagonist in the futur...or a great ally, depending on her true motivations and the reason why she has been spared to begin with. Plus I think Urthemiel was special for her, that's why she tried to save his "soul" and to get him back, because otherwise this theory could lose much of sense, unless Flemeth tried also in the past to bring back others OG and didn't succed at that.

-There is also the possibility that the "big bad" is someone completely different. I wonder who could take profit from this great chaos, a threat that could completly change / destroy the face of Thedas? Why would someone want to destroy the veil? Knowing that the chaos, civil wars and Co, are only here to distract everybody. Maybe the goal is the black-former-gold city? Or is it some groupe, related to the chantry who wishes at any cost to find and bring back the maker? After all, in his prophecy, Sandal says : "then he will rise and everyone will see", from whom is he talking about?

Lots of speculation, of course

[Former_Fiend]

froogle345 wrote...

the game informer article- the one in the magazine that is, not the da hub- mentions that from the start of the game you have an equal who is working against you but you don't know immediately who he or she....or it is and part of the plot is figuring that out. it also confirms we have someone directly responsible for the veil tear, as it says, "the demons pouring out of the sky are an obvious threat, but you learn early on that a single mastermind is behind the breach and all the chaos surrounding it". As to who is behind it i have no idea and flemeth and/or morrigan just seems too obvious to be correct in my opinion.

I'm hoping the reveal is more of a mid game thing than an eleventh hour thing. I think the lack of pressence of a villian can hurt a story more than help it.

[Maria Caliban]

Eveangaline wrote...

Is there a singular badguy? There's a natural disaster going on, and that's what you have to stop. Meanwhile there are different factions that will end up fighting you, but not so much because they're pro- this natural disaster, but more likely because they feel your organization is a threat to their own ideas or personal power.

We've been told there's a reason everything is going to hell at the same time. That suggests a conspiracy.

[Maria Caliban]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

If Corypheus is the main villain then damnit Hawke, can't you fix anything?

No. Hawke's importance in history derives from her massive f**k-ups.

[azarhal]

Vapaä wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Isnt that what everyone else does when trying to explain other things in the Dragon Age universe like the reason for Loghain's actions?

That's not an explanation, that's a fanfiction, you're inventing something not supported by the lore (time travel) then when confronted at the evidence that no OGB could've been born during the blights (because all the GW that struck the final blow died) , you came up with a convoluted justification that someone killed the GW without anyone noticing.

Your whole point is build on inventions, not a single thing you said is supported by the known lore.

Garahel was thrown outside the battlefield when he struck the Archdemon. He might have died from the impact and not a soul clash....

[MWImexico]

^ I don't know, that's possible but it seems that Razikale fits better Flemeth personality than Andoral...

(see the seven old gods : http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Old_Gods)

Modifié par MWImexico, 06 septembre 2013 - 01:54 .

[Former_Fiend]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

If Corypheus is the main villain then damnit Hawke, can't you fix anything?

No. Hawke's importance in history derives from her massive f**k-ups.

*Corypheus reveals himself to be the main villian*

*The Inquisitor and the Warden glare at Hawke*

Hawke: Well don't blame m-

I&W: We blame you!

[azarhal]

MWImexico wrote...

^ I don't know, that's possible but it seems that Razikale fits better Flemeth personality than Andoral...

(see the seven old gods : http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Old_Gods)

I was just pointing out that despite dying, the Grey Warden killing an Archdemon might not have died of a soul clash, but from falling off the dragon while he was flying around or being blown away by the soul implosion that happen after the dragon dies.

 Anyhow doesn't have much to do with the thread...which is about DAI bad guy.

I suspect it's going to be a new "player" and probably a stupid paranoid human who love power a little too much again (see Meredith and Loghain).

[QueenPurpleScrap]

Justice/Vengeance could be behind the tear. I know a couple of others have mentioned it but here's a possible scenario:
Anders said they couldn't be separated. Which might be true, as far as he knows. But Justice is a creature of the Fade who easily left a corpse to inhabit a living host. In this single action he demonstrates he was already turning toward the demonic. Throughout Dragon Age there's plenty of evidence that demons can possess one host after another, which implies that if he so chose J/V should be able to find a better hotel, as it were.

If you recall he mentions to the Warden that this world is more beautiful than he would have guessed, he seems envious of the relationship between Kristof and his wife, and he's aware that as a walking corpse he's gonna have some issues.

Justice was already ragging on Anders to do more about the mage situation long before they shared space. Anders says it was his own anger which turned Justice into Vengeance, but he may be overstating his own responsibility. Rather than turning Justice, his anger may have simply strengthened Justice's resolve or created a focus or tool for Justice to use.

Now, at the end of DA2 whether you kill Anders or not it does not mean that J/V couldn't leave. If Anders is dead, well, there are still plenty of mages around who might share his goals more comfortably than the compassionate Anders. Someone like Adrian the b--- from Asunder. He's certainly traveled enough to be able to get said mage into the sewers and out of Kirkwall.

If Anders is alive then one way or another J/V is definitely likely to find somebody more compatible. Especially if Anders is in a relationship with Hawke. I think J/V would want somebody more focused, somebody who wouldn't let silly things like love, compassion or kittens to distract him.

Why would he tear the Veil?

• the opportunity to show all of Thedas how powerful mages can be as allies as they fight the hordes of demons pouring out
• a grander version of blowing up the Chantry (nothing insane there)
• vengeance against all those who imprisoned/tortured/looked askance at mages
• a bull-headed attempt to go home. Assuming he finally got tired, had a crisis of conscience and realized he needed to be back in the Fade. However it's easier for demons or spirits to get out than in and thus the giant tear.
• a 'pox on both your houses' thing

Or somebody else. I doubt it's Corypheus, though. It was never their intention to let the demons out. If he's involved in DAI I agree with those who think it will be in the Warden subplot.

[Former_Fiend]

On a serious note, can the big bad be Fiona? Or at least can she appear to be the big bad only for us to 'tragically' find out that she was innocent all along only moments after we kill her?

[Karach_Blade]

hhh89 wrote...

FireAndBlood wrote...

I still think it is going to be Vengeance.

In Hawke's body.

That would actually be a cool plot-twist for those who killed Anders in DA2. I have a male!Hawke who was Blondie's  best friend (no romance other than pining for Aveline) so I could see that happening.....

[Maiden Crowe]

Vapaä wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Isnt that what everyone else does when trying to explain other things in the Dragon Age universe like the reason for Loghain's actions?

That's not an explanation, that's a fanfiction, you're inventing something not supported by the lore (time travel) then when confronted at the evidence that no OGB could've been born during the blights (because all the GW that struck the final blow died) , you came up with a convoluted justification that someone killed the GW without anyone noticing.

Just like every other explanation for Loghain's actions, your point?

[Spectre slayer]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

The first blight begins in 800 TE led by Dumat lasts close to 200 years before a grey warden finally killed it during the battle of the silent field's 1,000+ years before DAO confirmed to be dead and it's spine and claw was made a set of weapons.[992TE]

The second blight begins in 1199 TE led by Zazikale lasts 90 years until a grey warden named Corn kills it in 1289 TE at the battle of Starkheaven confirmed to be dead.

The third blight begins in 1404 TE led by Toth and killed by a grey warden at Hunters Fell after just 15 years the weapon used to kill it became the thorn of the dead God's after it shattered in 1419 TE. Confirmed to be dead.

The fourth blight ends in 1618 TE led by Andoral killed by the Elven hero Garharel at the battle of Ayesleigh. Confirmed to be dead.

The fifth blight begin in 2024 TE led by Urhemiel ends after 1 years in 2025 TE after a grey warden kills or does the ritual.

So exactly where's your God baby in any of that lol.

It will be dealt with in this game or the next.

Ah but what is to stop someone from performing the ritual then killing the Grey Warden themselves after they defeat the Archdemon making it look like the Grey Warden was killed by absorbing the Archdemon's soul? 

Stop trolling the only other creature that knows the ritual is Flemeth and every single one that I mentioned killed the Archdemon in front of armies and then died because the archdemon and grey wardens soul destroy each other also Gaider quote covers every archdemon that was ever killed by a grey warden.

Wrong, it has been clearly demonstrated that Morrigan also knows the ritual, looks like you don't know as much about the Dragon Age universe as you think you do so how can we believe anything you say?

Vapaä wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Ah but what is to stop someone from performing the ritual then killing the Grey Warden themselves after they defeat the Archdemon making it look like the Grey Warden was killed by absorbing the Archdemon's soul? 

...you're just grasping at straws

Isnt that what everyone else does when trying to explain other things in the Dragon Age universe like the reason for Loghain's actions? So what you are saying is that for the Dragon Age universe this theory is perfectly plausible?

Lol maybe you should go back and look at multiple posts because the only thing I forgot to add was the word other here let me help you.

Are you really asking these questions because Morrigan tells you that Flemeth gave her the ritual and that she already knew what would happen if the warden refused to do the ritual at all which is die when the archdemon soul enters them and destroys both of their souls which means no ritual =no God baby.

How do we know no one else did until let's see Rioridan himself confirms that NO grey warden has survived killing the archdemon and was the only way that he knew of to stop the blight, until Morrigan tells you about Flemeth's ritual.

So what are you saying because like I said the only thing I did was accidentally leave out the word OTHER in one post lol the only creature in the past 1,000 years that knew the ritual was Flemeth UNTIL she taught Morrigan which is exactly what I said in a previous post.

So why should people listen to you since as you can see the one who doesn't know as much is you think  since you're the one who brought that up and these aswell.

1. Thinks there's more than one OGB.

2. Thinks there's time travel.

3. Thinks someone killed the wardens and did the ritual while absoubing the archdemon soul.

4. Lied about what happened even though every warden died after killing the archdemon and destroying both souls even though they died in front of armies in the middle of battle.

5. You didn't know who's ritual it was etc. 

Hmm should I continue or not.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[Dave of Canada]

Karach_Blade wrote...

That would actually be a cool plot-twist for those who killed Anders in DA2. I have a male!Hawke who was Blondie's  best friend (no romance other than pining for Aveline) so I could see that happening.....

How could you see Hawke becoming possessed because we killed Anders?

[Wulfram]

They've certainly hinted at a conspiracy. Though there not being a conspiracy might be an interesting twist.

Or maybe there's a conspiracy to make people think there's a conspiracy.