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[Excella Gionne]

MaleShep tries to get Traynor, and she rejects him like a boss. :-) But yeah, she doesn't have that many options for straight romances. Now a Krogan, mmmm...................................

[sharkboy421]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Thane was meant to appeal to the female fandom. But as can be seen, he didn't go over that well and was written out because of it.

He had a good enough fanbase, I don't think they dropped him due to "bad appeal". In ME2, he always talked about his borrowed time, t'would be unrealistic to assume he would get a magic cure and a happily ever after ending in ME3, even if it turns out that's not specifically how he died.

Thane's romance arc wasn't dropped, it was forgotten about until very late in production.  Hence the almost complete lack of romance content in 3.

[kathic]

Bionuts wrote...

It's sorta bad that femshep has to date rape Vega. A low point in her career.

I do not think that means what you think it means.

[thehomeworld]

I don't mind having one bi and one strictly gay option for either gender but writing out your straight LIs from across the series just so fshep could be the lesbian queen is ridiculous, you can blatantly see where it was done! Jacob cheats on you for no reason, Garrus has to be imported from ME2 or he's suddenly not interested?, Same for Kaiden infact he goes bi, then Thane's dying but for those who romanced him I'm sure they were fine with the death part it was (1) no other male options and (2) they did no meaningful together time with him a kiss in the hospital and next thing you know he's shot. Then of course we have the joke options of Javik and Vega.

I suppose since BW needs to have specifics on do's and don'ts when you make new LI's for both heros in ME4 BW don't do the every LI option is bi/herosexual option make them all unique. I say if you get a secretary type of npc she/he can be the bi option. Make a gay character, and make the hetro characters then if its a sequel or series keep them all that way no Kaiden switching ships here makes them seem not special. No one wants to see Traynor go bi for Mshep so don't make hetro characters go bi or herosexual for male/fem hero.

Definitely no more skipping hetro options for fem hero I know she's secondary for protagonist but a slap in the face isn't necessary to remind us of that by giving us next to no LIs.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 06 septembre 2013 - 01:55 .

[thehomeworld]

sharkboy421 wrote...

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Thane was meant to appeal to the female fandom. But as can be seen, he didn't go over that well and was written out because of it.

He had a good enough fanbase, I don't think they dropped him due to "bad appeal". In ME2, he always talked about his borrowed time, t'would be unrealistic to assume he would get a magic cure and a happily ever after ending in ME3, even if it turns out that's not specifically how he died.

Thane's romance arc wasn't dropped, it was forgotten about until very late in production.  Hence the almost complete lack of romance content in 3.

All the male options were that's why its so obvious and annoying it wasn't even a shallow drop they just let out the bottom in the case of Jacob his LI cop out at least grabed the wall before hitting rock bottom.

[BeastSaver]

AlanC9 wrote...

What's wrong with Kaidan?

Have you seen him dance? What's with the pointing?!? Gah!

[mupp3tz]

Morocco Mole wrote...

kathic wrote...

I do not think that means what you think it means.

No it was a pretty blatant case of date rape. Unless you are one of those people who think a man cannot be raped by a woman.

>Vega says no
> pressuring him after he says no
>getting him drunk
>gets so drunk he says yes
>have sex

Bioware probably didn't intend for it. But the implications are there and they should be ashamed of themselves.

The Vega romance was totally well done and doesn't give creepy vibes at all 

Really, all you have to do is put a Male shep and make James a woman and uh.. yeah. Nope.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 06 septembre 2013 - 03:47 .

[DuskWanderer]

Necanor wrote...

What makes either Garrus' or Tali's romance immoral or distasteful? And what exactly makes them any different from the other romances?

Neither the words 'immoral" or "distasteful" came out of his, or my, mouth. We called them stupid because there was literally zero lead up to it. Just like with Kaidan going bisexual, they just...suddenly were attracted, like a light switch. Anyone who's been in a relationship knows it doesn't work that way. 

I don't have anything against either of the characters, but their romance arcs were wholly unrealistic and were nothing more than fanservice for their fans. 

Ashley and Kaidan have entire pieces of the first game dedicated to their romance arc (the special scenes on the Citadel and all), Garrus and Tali show no romantic attraction at all: Tali's perfectly calm in ME1, her only nervousness came from being on a practically empty ship, and Garrus was just a buddy, regardless of gender. All of a sudden, wham-bam, now Tali's all nervous and Garrus is awkward. I'm happy they got character development, but it should have stayed consistent. 

What makes them different is that they (and no one else) changed their character arcs divergently to make the relationship possible. Everyone else came into it with the attraction: All Shepard needed was the right gender and it was there. 

[LiL Reapur]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...
The Vega romance was totally well done and doesn't give creepy vibes at all 

Really, all you have to do is put a Male shep and make James a woman and uh.. yeah. Nope.

Man that link had me weak, femshep is a rapist. Case closed.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Bionuts wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

What's wrong with Kaidan?

Boring. Although, I know a woman who's obsessed with him. She even cried, because she was sad he's not real.

she's obviously never seen Luciano Costa huh? show her my avatar. he's real lol.

[Hadeedak]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Necanor wrote...

What makes either Garrus' or Tali's romance immoral or distasteful? And what exactly makes them any different from the other romances?

Neither the words 'immoral" or "distasteful" came out of his, or my, mouth. We called them stupid because there was literally zero lead up to it. Just like with Kaidan going bisexual, they just...suddenly were attracted, like a light switch. Anyone who's been in a relationship knows it doesn't work that way. 

I don't have anything against either of the characters, but their romance arcs were wholly unrealistic and were nothing more than fanservice for their fans. 

Ashley and Kaidan have entire pieces of the first game dedicated to their romance arc (the special scenes on the Citadel and all), Garrus and Tali show no romantic attraction at all: Tali's perfectly calm in ME1, her only nervousness came from being on a practically empty ship, and Garrus was just a buddy, regardless of gender. All of a sudden, wham-bam, now Tali's all nervous and Garrus is awkward. I'm happy they got character development, but it should have stayed consistent. 

What makes them different is that they (and no one else) changed their character arcs divergently to make the relationship possible. Everyone else came into it with the attraction: All Shepard needed was the right gender and it was there. 

I dunno. I wound up dating my male best friend, and I would not have guessed he was interested in me until a year after we met one another, out of the blue, he made a pass at me and I decided 'what the hell, sure'.

Which is why Garrus's arch seems plausible. I've been a thing with this guy for years, and I did not see him in that light until he was like "haaaai~~~".

[Sir DeLoria]

DuskWanderer wrote...
I don't have anything against either of the characters, but their romance arcs were wholly unrealistic and were nothing more than fanservice for their fans. 

Ashley and Kaidan have entire pieces of the first game dedicated to their romance arc (the special scenes on the Citadel and all), Garrus and Tali show no romantic attraction at all: Tali's perfectly calm in ME1, her only nervousness came from being on a practically empty ship, and Garrus was just a buddy, regardless of gender. All of a sudden, wham-bam, now Tali's all nervous and Garrus is awkward. I'm happy they got character development, but it should have stayed consistent. 

Well, 'pandering' literally means the indulging of an immoral or distasteful desire. I also wholly disagree with you. Even in the first game, if you choose the right dialogue, Tali will glorify Shep. Garrus just doesn't show emotions at all. Both openly express their feelings once you've done something great for them(although Tali's dialogue is already suggestive early on). Even if they didn't show their affection towards Shep earlier, it's not like it's impossible to fall in love with a long time friend. Not every relationship is romantic from the start.

Modifié par Necanor, 06 septembre 2013 - 08:28 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Sorry, double post due to lag

Modifié par Necanor, 06 septembre 2013 - 08:29 .

[HowlingSiren]

Sure, Tali's and Garrus' romances were added to please the fans, which is why they came out of the blue. So what? I personally don't romance them but a lot of people asked for it and BioWare listened and delivered. How is that a bad thing?

Half the posts on these forums have a "BioWare plz do this or that" tag. In this case BioWare did. Good for those who wanted it. For those who didn't, what do you care? It's optional content.

[Sir DeLoria]

Nina88 wrote...

Sure, Tali's and Garrus' romances were added to please the fans, which is why they came out of the blue. So what? I personally don't romance them but a lot of people asked for it and BioWare listened and delivered. How is that a bad thing?

Half the posts on these forums have a "BioWare plz do this or that" tag. In this case BioWare did. Good for those who wanted it. For those who didn't, what do you care? It's optional content.

Well, considering that those two are along with Liara the most popular romances, I'd say BW did a good job.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Pfft all you primitives know that JavikXFemshep is the OTP across all time and space.

[Ravensword]

It's true. Bisexual FemShep has more romance options than any other Shepard.

[DuskWanderer]

Necanor wrote...
Well, 'pandering' literally means the indulging of an immoral or distasteful desire. I also wholly disagree with you. Even in the first game, if you choose the right dialogue, Tali will glorify Shep. Garrus just doesn't show emotions at all. Both openly express their feelings once you've done something great for them(although Tali's dialogue is already suggestive early on). Even if they didn't show their affection towards Shep earlier, it's not like it's impossible to fall in love with a long time friend. Not every relationship is romantic from the start.

Finish their side missions and they are grateful. Garrus thanks you for proving the virtue of your leadership, be it Paragon or Renegade. Tali is glad she can complete her Pilgrimage. If that led into romance, I'd have to sleep with my mechanic (who discounts me on car inspection), my doctor, and a bunch of other people. 

Even if a relationship "isn't romantic from the start", there are always overtones of it. This is particularly true for men. Garrus had absolutely zero emotional attraction to Shepard, it was all a professional one. That's actually not a bad thing: Non-romance ME2 Garrus had some of the best personality in the game for doing that. But I saw utterly zero attraction between him and FemShep: It literally was the same with BroShep. 

Sheer contrast to Ashley and Kaidan, who get tons of scenes and development showing their relationship. Male Shepard only gets it with Ash, and Female Shepard only gets it with Kaidan. 

Well, considering that those two are along with Liara the most popular romances, I'd say BW did a good job.

Pandering to the base is not necessarily a good thing. Neither is retconning a character. People choose to romance their favorite characters, they don't do it because it's the best written romance. 

Don't even get me started on the problems with Liara's romance.

[Br3admax]

I'm sorry, I was agreeing with you all the way until you started saying things like friendships can't grow into relationships. There is no world were people really fall instantly in love. Also, actually look at the Garrusmance sequence. 5 think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

[Display Name Owner]

My Femshep ended up not romancing anybody, which I have to say I ended up liking. Maybe that's because I'm the type that hates it in movies when the main characters hook up. e.g. Kick-Ass. It was so annoying how he got the girl when he really shouldn't have. I'm just not one for shoehorning love themes into every damn thing.

...Not laying into anyone who does like romances. I mean, I have done romance playthroughs. That's the nice thing about a game that gives you some choice.

[Display Name Owner]

But, to actually address the point of the thread, yes, it's really not fair how the number and quality of potential LIs are skewed in ManShep's favour.

[dorktainian]

why do you need romances at all in a game about blowing the hell out the reapers?

[Br3admax]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

kathic wrote...

I do not think that means what you think it means.

No it was a pretty blatant case of date rape. Unless you are one of those people who think a man cannot be raped by a woman.

>Vega says no
> pressuring him after he says no
>getting him drunk
>gets so drunk he says yes
>have sex

Bioware probably didn't intend for it. But the implications are there and they should be ashamed of themselves.

The Vega romance was totally well done and doesn't give creepy vibes at all 

Really, all you have to do is put a Male shep and make James a woman and uh.. yeah. Nope.

Oh, so that's the Hale badassery that I keep here so much about. 

[Dieb]

Kazanth wrote...

Still makes me laugh that the Drell were made because they wanted to make Thane an alien that women would find attractive. They really hit it out of the park with that one.

Well, in all fairness, I believe for the most part all characters that even remotely serve a comparable purpose are designed with that in mind. Whatever game, whatever movie, whatever comic.

The respective quote about the reasons for Thane's appearance wasn't mentioning anything besides pure visuals. While I have nothing to back it up, I bet for example the Asari were declared a race after Liara was designed to be a "human enough", pretty alien lady - still her character also served a destinct purpose in the story.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:37 .