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[AlexMBrennan]

Oh, so that's the Hale badassery that I keep here so much about.

Yes, it's the voice actors that decide on the content - Hale just gets the directions "Shepard rapes an intoxicated subordinate" , she doesn't make them.

[Br3admax]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Oh, so that's the Hale badassery that I keep here so much about.

Yes, it's the voice actors that decide on the content - Hale just gets the directions "Shepard rapes an intoxicated subordinate" , she doesn't make them.

Yes, because this was a very serious statement that need a very serious answer from a very serious person, seriously. 

[Sir DeLoria]

DuskWanderer wrote...
Finish their side missions and they are grateful. Garrus thanks you for proving the virtue of your leadership, be it Paragon or Renegade. Tali is glad she can complete her Pilgrimage. If that led into romance, I'd have to sleep with my mechanic (who discounts me on car inspection), my doctor, and a bunch of other people.

Even if a relationship "isn't romantic from the start", there are always overtones of it. This is particularly true for men. Garrus had absolutely zero emotional attraction to Shepard, it was all a professional one. That's actually not a bad thing: Non-romance ME2 Garrus had some of the best personality in the game for doing that. But I saw utterly zero attraction between him and FemShep: It literally was the same with BroShep. 

Sheer contrast to Ashley and Kaidan, who get tons of scenes and development showing their relationship. Male Shepard only gets it with Ash, and Female Shepard only gets it with Kaidan. 

Wait, what? First of all, that's blatantly generalized and speculated, second of all, that's not even what I meant. I'm talking about a regular friendship turned into a sexual relationship, not a slowly developing romantic relationship. I'm sorry, but Br3ad is right, I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You're not even bringing up any coherent point.

Modifié par Necanor, 06 septembre 2013 - 01:27 .

[Ridwan]

I do feel sorry for the women wanting a man as a love interest with their femShep. All you get is a bird, a frog, a bisexual whiner and what seemed to be a nice guy, but ends up cheating on you in less than 6 months. They should've made Vega romanceable.

Modifié par M25105, 06 septembre 2013 - 06:29 .

[Br3admax]

Hey there's no need to act like bisexuals can't still be men. That's just insulting them and is highly unfair and homophobic. And you get to date rape Vega, so yeah, no.


Anyway the Garrusmance, in a nutshell is this:
"I had sex this one time...."
"Let's do that then."
"Whattchutalkingbout?"
"We'll bang, okay?"
"Sure, you're the only one I really respect."

It's not like Garrus didn't like Shepard or any other such nonsense. It's just unlike Tali's blind love and denial of amino acid sequences, Garrus realised that a relationship probably wouldn't work. FemShep convinces him to try. Garrus didn't just wake up one day and said, "Gonna prepare dat ass for ascension. Harbinger's going to wait his turn."

[AlexMBrennan]

a bisexual whiner

Why include that (from context clear) slur? Is everyone in the galaxy required to preserve their virginity in case Shepard should express interest at some point in the future?

[Nightwriter]

dorktainian wrote...

why do you need romances at all in a game about blowing the hell out the reapers?

Love often matters most in times of great adversity. Just look at soldiers in wartime who carry pictures of their loved ones around. The concept is just as applicable in Mass Effect. You can even say your love interest is the reason you're fighting the Reapers. Generally any struggle to live is enhanced by things that make that life more worth living.

[Sir DeLoria]

dorktainian wrote...

why do you need romances at all in a game about blowing the hell out the reapers?

To make the story more interesting? To make the game more memorable? To make it more realistic(it's not like Shep and his crew are emotionally dead)? To provoke Fox 'news'? etc.

Really, there's a ton of reasons.

[rashie]

dorktainian wrote...

why do you need romances at all in a game about blowing the hell out the reapers?

Because character interactions adds depth to a game that is meant to be an RPG.

If all i wanted out of the game was to blow up space monsters there is far better and more engaging alternatives then the mass effect series.

[Br3admax]

Because you can't make nachos without cheese.

[conjmk]

Bionuts wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

What's wrong with Kaidan?

Boring. Although, I know a woman who's obsessed with him. She even cried, because she was sad he's not real.

LMFAO that's a really little extreme, If it makes her feel better you can tell her he is IS real, but he's gay and middle age-on 2nd thought don't tell her anything. 

Modifié par conjmk, 06 septembre 2013 - 06:52 .

[Iakus]

Nightwriter wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why do you need romances at all in a game about blowing the hell out the reapers?

Love often matters most in times of great adversity. Just look at soldiers in wartime who carry pictures of their loved ones around. The concept is just as applicable in Mass Effect. You can even say your love interest is the reason you're fighting the Reapers. Generally any struggle to live is enhanced by things that make that life more worth living.

QFT

[kathic]

Morocco Mole wrote...

kathic wrote...

I do not think that means what you think it means.

No it was a pretty blatant case of date rape.

>Vega says no
> pressuring him after he says no
>getting him drunk
>gets so drunk he says yes
>have sex

Not really no. She didn't have sex with him while he was passed out. She didn't force herself on him. Being drunk and having sex is not rape. He made a decision to have sex. He may not have made the same choice sober but that does not mean it was rape. People make different decisions when they are drunk but that does not mean they can't give consent. Calling something like this rape is damaging to real date rape where people are physically unable to consent or say no.

[DuskWanderer]

Necanor wrote...
Wait, what? First of all, that's blatantly generalized and speculated, second of all, that's not even what I meant. I'm talking about a regular friendship turned into a sexual relationship, not a slowly developing romantic relationship. I'm sorry, but Br3ad is right, I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You're not even bringing up any coherent point.

You're completely ignoring that, throughout all of ME1 (and a significant chunk of ME2) that the amount of sexual chemistry Garrus gives to Shepard is appropriately measured on the Planck scale. 

I understand perfectly what you meant, but there is utterly zero realism in it. Sexual attraction doesn't just magically appear, that's something that comes from the start (look it up if you're so inclined, sexual attraction isn't magic)

I also NEVER said that friendships don't grow into relationships, so neither of you put words in my mouth. I said there was no sexual attraction to Shepard AT ALL in ME1 (And there isn't). I dare you to pick out three sexually attractive lines for Garrus specific to a female Shepard). You may as well had Turian Cupid shoot Garrus with an arrow, the change comes out of nowhere. 

Use logic, not imaginary arguments. Thank you.

[Isaidlunch]

I wonder how people would react if it was ManShep convincing a female character to get drunk so he could have sex with her after she had already said no.

Modifié par Kazanth, 06 septembre 2013 - 08:48 .

[Br3admax]

kathic wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

kathic wrote...

I do not think that means what you think it means.

No it was a pretty blatant case of date rape.

>Vega says no
> pressuring him after he says no
>getting him drunk
>gets so drunk he says yes
>have sex

Not really no. She didn't have sex with him while he was passed out. She didn't force herself on him. Being drunk and having sex is not rape. He made a decision to have sex. He may not have made the same choice sober but that does not mean it was rape. People make different decisions when they are drunk but that does not mean they can't give consent. Calling something like this rape is damaging to real date rape where people are physically unable to consent or say no.

You do realise that having sex with a drunk person is first degree rape, right? That it is actually very illegal to have sex with a drunk person, right? That this has been the law for a very, very, long time, right? You cannot give consent without thinking rationally. Otherwise, people could have sex with 12 year olds. That's rape too, just in case you think 12 year olds can give consent as well. 

[AlexMBrennan]

Calling something like this rape is damaging to real date rape where people are physically unable to consent or say no.

Whereas your "It's not rape unless the victim was physically held down and forced at gunpoint" is much more positive.

He may not have made the same choice sober but that does not mean it was rape

OK, ignoring for the fact that that's incorrect - wtf is wrong with you that you think it's acceptable to get people drunk for the purpose of having sex which they would otherwise refuse?
Would it be OK too to hold a gun to their head? After all, people make different decisions with a gun held to their head too - no reason they can't give consent like that, right?

If they wouldn't have consent while sober, then don't do it. End of discussion.

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[iOnlySignIn]

Garrus is by far the best heterosexual LI in this game.

Miranda and Jack are great characters, but they get about 1/3 as much content as Garrus, romantic or not.

So no, FemShep really didn't get the short end of the stick when it comes to romances (heterosexual or not) like some like to think.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 06 septembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[Sir DeLoria]

DuskWanderer wrote...
You're completely ignoring that, throughout all of ME1 (and a significant chunk of ME2) that the amount of sexual chemistry Garrus gives to Shepard is appropriately measured on the Planck scale. 

I understand perfectly what you meant, but there is utterly zero realism in it. Sexual attraction doesn't just magically appear, that's something that comes from the start (look it up if you're so inclined, sexual attraction isn't magic)

I also NEVER said that friendships don't grow into relationships, so neither of you put words in my mouth. I said there was no sexual attraction to Shepard AT ALL in ME1 (And there isn't). I dare you to pick out three sexually attractive lines for Garrus specific to a female Shepard). You may as well had Turian Cupid shoot Garrus with an arrow, the change comes out of nowhere. 
Use logic, not imaginary arguments. Thank you.

You're ignoring the fact, that sexual attraction alone isn't responsible for love. Love and sexual attraction are two seperate things. The two main drives that lead to love are sexual attraction and attachment. There are many, many different ways how attachment can develope. Psychological attachment sometimes takes time to develope, this is one of the reasons why long time friendships can develope into sexual relationships. Technically, they weren't even lng time friends, they only spent a few months together, searching the galaxy for Saren. If it isn't coherent enough for you, just don't recruit him in ME1.

[DuskWanderer]

[quote]Necanor wrote...
[/quote]
You're ignoring the fact, that sexual attraction alone isn't responsible for love. Love and sexual attraction are two seperate things. The two main drives that lead to love are sexual attraction and attachment. There are many, many different ways how attachment can develope. Psychological attachment sometimes takes time to develope, this is one of the reasons why long time friendships can develope into sexual relationships. Technically, they weren't even lng time friends, they only spent a few months together, searching the galaxy for Saren. If it isn't coherent enough for you, just don't recruit him in ME1.

[/quote]

We're not talking about love, we're talking about romance, of which sexual attraction is required (not to mention Garrus's sexual attraction to Shepard is outright stated in ME3). However, it is not present in ME1. 

You're trying to turn things into something that they aren't. The difference between platonic love and a romantic relationship is sexual attraction, which is something that rarely changes within an individual during working with them. 

Everything you've described describes a platonic relationship, and, as I've stated multiple times, I'm perfectly fine with. Garrus's romance (i.e. sexual attraction) to Shepard is the complaint. Could you please possibly stick to the topic?

[Br3admax]

Even by BSN standards, this is a very baseless argument. If your definition of attraction is show me in a conversation cutscene, there is a problem. Attraction is not something that you advertise to everyone. People have attraction towards others without hinting it all the time. It's not that hard of a thing to hide if you are a competent human being and not a dog. I'm sure turians are even better at it, we not knowing their mannerism and you just tailoring them to how you act. .

[Wynterdust]

Garrus isn't known for his courtship skills. Just because he doesn't show sexual attraction to Shepard in the first game doesn't mean he's not attracted to her. He only reveals it when pushed on the subject so he probably didn't feel it was right to say anything.
Would you go to one of your work colleagues and announce that you are sexually attracted to them for example if you're a shy person?

[DuskWanderer]

Br3ad wrote...

Even by BSN standards, this is a very baseless argument. If your definition of attraction is show me in a conversation cutscene, there is a problem. Attraction is not something that you advertise to everyone. People have attraction towards others without hinting it all the time. It's not that hard of a thing to hide if you are a competent human being and not a dog. I'm sure turians are even better at it, we not knowing their mannerism and you just tailoring them to how you act. .

You claim that my argument is baseless, yet you are the one stating that an utter lack of any evidence (of any kind) is proof of a sexual attraction. That's actually really funny. 

Br3ad, if something doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. It may sound obvious, but it's true. You say there is sexual chemistry between Garrus and FemShep, yet it doesn't come up at all until it's thrown at you with all the grace of a rookie throwing grenades. 

Considering how terrible Garrus is at flirting (as evidence, I present the romance scenes themselves in ME2), your argument about turians being better at it is outright wrong. 

Do you actually have a worthwhile argument to present, or are you just going to keep going with "Because I said so!" 

[Bionuts]

MaleShep: Want to have sex?

Traynor: I'm not into guys.

MaleShep: Drink some more alcohol.... ready yet?

Traynor: Nor....

MaleShep: More alcohol.... ready?

^ What's your reaction?

[GreatBlueHeron]

Title is cringe-worthy....it and some postings in this thread are biphobic and homophobic.

Major facepalm.