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[RZIBARA]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

If I started a thread saying "I'm tired of femsep being straight", you'd all have a fit and flip out. Femshep forcefully, by default, flirts with Jacob when you talk with him in the armory. I lol'd the first time she says "I don't mind just talking for a bit"....it was more than suggestive. There was no option for me to roleplay otherwise. Sure, you don't have to romance him, but the come on is there.

I still don't think you understand that we aren't bashing the fact that Femshep has SS LI's, but the fact that the only romances she has are SS ones, or ones with aliens, and only one straight LI that is human.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Morocco Mole wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
As a gay woman, I see a society that goes overboard on straight people and relationships.  I don't get to see my orientation validated in media like straight people enjoy.  Bioware did good offering woman to woman relationships.  I don't want them to take that away because the whiny majority wants ONLY the status quo.  Bioware SHOULD include more romance options for those who want to be straight, bi, pan, gay.  The OP could have simply complained about the lack of quality relationship options instead of taking a dump on sexual minorities.
 Let's compare heterosexual pairings versus gay pairings for femshep, in case anyone wants to claim there are more bi and gay opportunities:  Kaiden, Garus, Thane, Jacob (men).  Liara, Traynor (women).  Those who want straight options have more choice. 
As to your question, unless you're familiar with power dynamics and the concept of privilege, you won't appreciate what I have to say.

As a fellow gay person I understand perfectly well how underrepresented we are in videogames. Bet let me point out the major complaint in this thread. The complaint is that two out of four of femshep's straight romances fail. Leaving you with Kaidan and Garrus and you can lock yourself out of those before the game even starts. Leaving you with Liara and Traynor. Both gay romances. No one is asking Bioware to take them away. People are pointing out that this is grossly unfair to the straight female fandom just as male shepard's lack of male romances is unfair to the gay male fandom.

Take a look at my previous post (can't remember the thread) regarding the lack of quality romance options, no disagreement there.  There is, however, a way to voice complaint without whining about sexual minorities.  To add to that, Liara is the only fully fleshed out gay option for femshep.  Traynor is nice, but not enough...and arrives in the third game.  On the whole, ALL options for femshep are lacking.  Bioware should have had more gay options for maleshep beginning with the first game rather than tacked on as an afterthought for game 3.  I could go on and on.    

[GreyLycanTrope]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Thane was meant to appeal to the female fandom. But as can be seen, he didn't go over that well and was written out because of it.

He had a good enough fanbase, I don't think they dropped him due to "bad appeal". In ME2, he always talked about his borrowed time, t'would be unrealistic to assume he would get a magic cure and a happily ever after ending in ME3, even if it turns out that's not specifically how he died.

He had a decent enough fanbase trouble was the writers forgot he was a potential LI when writing his role in ME3:

Visii wrote...

http://pats-quinade....8.html#comments

Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:16 .

[Bionuts]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

If I started a thread saying "I'm tired of femsep being straight", you'd all have a fit and flip out.

Well, it wouldn't really make sense since femshep is catered more to lesbian romances.

[rashie]

Seboist wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Male Shep however is pratically swimming in booty.

Lol.

Joker
Zaeed
Vega

Add 2 of those, and femshep has some good options.

Zaeed is the only option femshep needs.

Zaeed seems creepy as a LI, hes a cool guy to have around but as a lover? Hes probably about the same age as shepards mother, if not older.

[mupp3tz]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

If I started a thread saying "I'm tired of femsep being straight", you'd all have a fit and flip out. Femshep forcefully, by default, flirts with Jacob when you talk with him in the armory. I lol'd the first time she says "I don't mind just talking for a bit"....it was more than suggestive. There was no option for me to roleplay otherwise. Sure, you don't have to romance him, but the come on is there.

Femshep and Jacob's lines literally made me cringe.

[andy6915]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Title is cringe-worthy....it and some postings in this thread are biphobic and homophobic.

Major facepalm.

There is nothing homophobic or biphobic about not wanting to pursue one of those romances. And it is a perfectly valid complaint to to say that Bioware went overboard on the lesbians.

Or would the thread title be acceptable if bi/les were swapped out with the word straight?

As a gay woman, I see a society that goes overboard on straight people and relationships.  I don't get to see my orientation validated in media like straight people enjoy.  Bioware did good offering woman to woman relationships.  I don't want them to take that away because the whiny majority wants ONLY the status quo.  Bioware SHOULD include more romance options for those who want to be straight, bi, pan, gay.  The OP could have simply complained about the lack of quality relationship options instead of taking a dump on sexual minorities.
 Let's compare heterosexual pairings versus gay pairings for femshep, in case anyone wants to claim there are more bi and gay opportunities:  Kaiden, Garus, Thane, Jacob (men).  Liara, Traynor (women).  Those who want straight options have more choice. 
As to your question, unless you're familiar with power dynamics and the concept of privilege, you won't appreciate what I have to say.

No one is saying to take away gay romances, you're simply jumping the gun assuming that. What we're actually saying that Bioware needs to balance it. Femshep definitely has a bad ratio... And in fairness, male Shepard could certainly have used more gay romances... I mean, seriously, why couldn't Garrus be available for male Shepard? He himself says he doesn't have a human fetish and merely shacks up with you because he respects you, so Shepard's sex is utterly irrelevant to his romance. Or Vega for female Shepard (and no, the date rape isn't "romance")? Or Joker for her?

This will seem dumb with how I'm complaining about female Shepard having too many les romances, but... Why couldn't Tali hook up with Femshep? There's chemistry there.

I will get flak for this, but sometimes I think Dragon Age 2's way of doing romances was the right way. No unbalance romances there, you could hook up with whoever and not be punished in number of romances for picking the "wrong" sex. At the very least, all alien romances should be available to both sexes. An alien party member shouldn't care about what sex Shepard is when they're already going for a totally different species to begin with. If they're willing to do a human, they shouldn't care about sex at that point... Like Mordin, he says "if I was going to do it with a human then I would gladly try with you" to Shepard regardless of Shepard's sex. Bestiality or being gay, one seems like a far bigger leap the other. It's like "I would happily do a dog, but only if it's hetero":?.

Modifié par andy69156915, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:24 .

[Bionuts]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
There is, however, a way to voice complaint without whining about sexual minorities.

This is what you're doing.

I'm making it CLEAR that I desire for better quality STRAIGHT femshep romances.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Bionuts wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

If I started a thread saying "I'm tired of femsep being straight", you'd all have a fit and flip out.

Well, it wouldn't really make sense since femshep is catered more to lesbian romances.

Context matters.  Way to ignore the rest of my post.  

[BronzTrooper]

Necanor wrote...

I will never understand people who only settle with Human LIs. Garrus is great for FemShep.

And Tali is great for MaleShep.  DEXTRO LOVERS UNITE!!!!!! 

[GreatBlueHeron]

Bionuts wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
There is, however, a way to voice complaint without whining about sexual minorities.

This is what you're doing.

I'm making it CLEAR that I desire for better quality STRAIGHT femshep romances.

Calling people out on their BS aint whining.  

[rashie]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I will never understand people who only settle with Human LIs. Garrus is great for FemShep.

And Tali is great for MaleShep.  DEXTRO LOVERS UNITE!!!!!! 

I find Tali to be a bit creepy tbh from a femshep PoV even if its understandable from a male PoV, still don't know why she have those logs about looking up how humans mate while playing as the female shepard in the shadow broker dossiers, just why? 

[Bionuts]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Calling people out on their BS aint whining.  

Accusing strangers of being homophobic when it's not valid is a horrible and offensive thing to do. It's not valid in this thread, and certainly not against me.

I'm not asking for Bioware to take away gay romances. However, it would've been nice if they gave better quality romances to a straight femshep. That is what this thread is about. Nothing more, nothing less.

[GreatBlueHeron]

andy69156915 wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Title is cringe-worthy....it and some postings in this thread are biphobic and homophobic.

Major facepalm.

There is nothing homophobic or biphobic about not wanting to pursue one of those romances. And it is a perfectly valid complaint to to say that Bioware went overboard on the lesbians.

Or would the thread title be acceptable if bi/les were swapped out with the word straight?

As a gay woman, I see a society that goes overboard on straight people and relationships.  I don't get to see my orientation validated in media like straight people enjoy.  Bioware did good offering woman to woman relationships.  I don't want them to take that away because the whiny majority wants ONLY the status quo.  Bioware SHOULD include more romance options for those who want to be straight, bi, pan, gay.  The OP could have simply complained about the lack of quality relationship options instead of taking a dump on sexual minorities.
 Let's compare heterosexual pairings versus gay pairings for femshep, in case anyone wants to claim there are more bi and gay opportunities:  Kaiden, Garus, Thane, Jacob (men).  Liara, Traynor (women).  Those who want straight options have more choice. 
As to your question, unless you're familiar with power dynamics and the concept of privilege, you won't appreciate what I have to say.

No one is saying to take away gay romances, you're simply jumping the gun assuming that. What we're actually saying that Bioware needs to balance it. Femshep definitely has a bad ratio... And in fairness, male Shepard could certainly have used more gay romances... I mean, seriously, why couldn't Garrus be available for male Shepard? He himself says he doesn't have a human fetish and merely shacks up with you because he respects you, so Shepard's sex is utterly irrelevant to his romance. Or Vega for female Shepard (and no, the date rape isn't "romance")? Or Joker for her?

This will seem dumb with how I'm complaining about female Shepard having too many les romances, but... Why couldn't Tali hook up with Femshep? There's chemistry there.

I will get flak for this, but sometimes I think Dragon Age 2's way of doing romances was the right way. No unbalance romances there, you could hook up with whoever and not be punished in number of romances for picking the "wrong" sex. At the very least, all alien romances should be available to both sexes. An alien party member shouldn't care about what sex Shepard is when they're already going for a totally different species to begin with. If they're willing to do a human, they shouldn't care about sex at that point... Like Mordin, he says "if I was going to do it with a human then I would gladly try with you" to Shepard regardless of Shepard's sex.

Never played DA2, but yeah, why not do that for at least the aliens?  

[GreatBlueHeron]

Bionuts wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Calling people out on their BS aint whining.  

Accusing strangers of being homophobic when it's not valid is a horrible and offensive thing to do. It's not valid in this thread, and certainly not against me.

I'm not asking for Bioware to take away gay romances. However, it would've been nice if they gave better quality romances to a straight femshep. That is what this thread is about. Nothing more, nothing less.

Then change the thread title to reflect what you're trying to say.  Oh, how about "Better quality romance for straight femshep".  That way you make a positive statement rather than negative.

[GreatBlueHeron]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

If I started a thread saying "I'm tired of femsep being straight", you'd all have a fit and flip out. Femshep forcefully, by default, flirts with Jacob when you talk with him in the armory. I lol'd the first time she says "I don't mind just talking for a bit"....it was more than suggestive. There was no option for me to roleplay otherwise. Sure, you don't have to romance him, but the come on is there.

Femshep and Jacob's lines literally made me cringe.

Yeah, me too.

[Br3admax]

Because Garrus is the defacto Turian Chuck Norris. And the whole, "We're aliens so does it really matter?" argument makes no sense at all. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with species. You will still be more attracted to either males or females.

[Nightwriter]

Barquiel wrote...

I know that pic, and it's nonsense imo.

I think quality is more valuable than quantity. Garrus and Kaidan do have two of the better romances (content-wise) in ME3. Straight ManShep/lesbian FemShep may have more quantity, but the majority of those don't have quality backing them up.

I mean...Diana Allers?

Shep: Sex?
Diana: Yep, just don't tell anyone

Then it's a kiss/fade to black...and never mentioned in the game again.

I agree, but the point stands that male Shepards have a broader range of taste options, and no love interests for male Shepard end up cheating or dying no matter what.

I don't think BioWare was deliberately or maliciously trying to discriminate, but in hindsight things did kind of turn out a bit unequally.

[andy6915]

Speaking of homophobia, someone calling ME that is quite funny. Me homophobic? Me, who has a gay mother who has been with other woman throughout my entire life to the point where having 2 mothers was normal for me and I get along very well with my mother? ME homophobic? Tch... I'm one of the most pro gay hetero guys you'll ever meet in your entire life, considering my upbringing.

Anyway, about alien members needing to be available to both sexes, that has been my stance of years now. Check this 2 year old thread I made on that very subject, I made some very good points in that thread if I do say so myself. Don't bother necro bumping it though, it's locked... The thread got reeeaaalllyyy ugly after a while. In retrospect, with how this forum gets about romance threads, I should have expected it.

http://social.biowar...3/index/7837471

Modifié par andy69156915, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:33 .

[Bionuts]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
Then change the thread title to reflect what you're trying to say.  Oh, how about "Better quality romance for straight femshep".  That way you make a positive statement rather than negative.

There's no reason to be so offended. I'm bisexual, and I find nothing wrong with the thread title.

The straight femshep options are so bad, almost all of my femsheps have been lesbian.

[andy6915]

Br3ad wrote...

Because Garrus is the defacto Turian Chuck Norris. And the whole, "We're aliens so does it really matter?" argument makes no sense at all. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with species. You will still be more attracted to either males or females.

Really? So if you're attracted to dogs or horses, you would definitely be more attracted to the females of the species (assuming you're male)? Sex matters so much that you need to stay straight even for other species? Okaaaaay...

I know aliens aren't dogs or anything, they're at least as sapient as us humans. But still, dogs are actually biologically less alien to us then Turians are, so the comparison fits on a purely physical level. Being sexually attracted to a dog or a Turian is about the same level of kinky as each other.

Modifié par andy69156915, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:38 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I do kind of wish that FemShep had more human LI's that were male. 

You're basically stuck with Kaidan as the only human male LI. Aliens are completely uninteresting and repulsive sexually and romantically, so there's no chances there (even though I think Thane has a good romance).

It'd be cool if there was a Han Solo like character for FemShep. More of a roguish and rugged badboy. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I will never understand people who only settle with Human LIs. Garrus is great for FemShep.

And Tali is great for MaleShep.  DEXTRO LOVERS UNITE!!!!!! 

No duh, Tali is the only worthy LI for MaleShep;)

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Because Garrus is the defacto Turian Chuck Norris. And the whole, "We're aliens so does it really matter?" argument makes no sense at all. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with species. You will still be more attracted to either males or females.

The Turian Captain Gavorn is gay and into humans.

[Bionuts]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
More of a roguish and rugged badboy. 

Eh.... Zaeed is the type of bad man my femsheps would like.