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[Spectre slayer]

Sigh Coryphues has been hinted at being alive regardless of who you side with they fall down and twitch, after you take the final blow he says a lot of giberish then starts laughing, cuts to the wardens their speech patterns change, thanks you, smiles creepily, the ominous music starts playing.

http://m.youtube.com...u&v=74CdsB7RZOA
About 4:08 ish in is what I'm talking about, and later is the conversation with laurnis?

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Did he get only silence? I thought he was able to summon a lightning blast? My memory might be fuzzy on this. I know the shrine of Dumat did have some power in the DLC. 

He used lightning, but it's not like Hawke or Merrill communed with Dumant every time they used chain lightning. He called out to Dumat and magic followed, but whether or not that was the influence of the old god in a setting where mages do that 100% of the time is pretty unclear. 

The shrine had some power... but again, whether or not that was the old god itself is totally unknown. 

Still... it is pretty interesting that he called out and expected an answer, regardless. It definitely wasn't business as usual. So if he had called out to Razikale or Lusacan, would be have heard a response...?

[d4eaming]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Sigh Coryphues has been hinted at being alive regardless of who you side with they fall down and twitch, after you take the final blow he says a lot of giberish then starts laughing, cuts to the wardens their speech patterns change, thanks you, smiles creepily, the ominous music starts playing.

http://m.youtube.com...u&v=74CdsB7RZOA
About 4:08 ish in is what I'm talking about, and later is the conversation with laurnis?

Watching it like that and being able to repeat the scene multiple times, I definitely see the Warden stumble a bit, and it looks like Corypheus' eyes might have started to glow. Then, the following conversation is just weird and only vaguely makes sense in the context that Larius explains. He says "thanks for my freedom" more than once. Very heavily emphasized if it's intended to mean "nothing."

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Still... it is pretty interesting that he called out and expected an answer, regardless. It definitely wasn't business as usual. So if he had called out to Razikale or Lusacan, would be have heard a response...?

He definetly thought the old god was watching over him. The real Q is whether there was a real answer, or whether this was just the kind of prayer one dedicated to Dumat would utter. 

[Ruairi46]

Wow, are people that did not see the blatant hints hes still alive like blind..? You blatantly see corypheus eyes glow then larius shaking in the background and then his voice and manor changing. If they are not possessed what other possible reason for the sudden changes could there be?

[jvaz]

Renmiri1 wrote...

jvaz wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Corypheus is dead on my PT

Ah yes, headcannon, gotta love it........  Even when it conflicts what happens onscreen and in script.  Anyways......

There was nothing in the game that showed him alive. You are the one with a head canon crush on Cory.

Game says you killed him and then HINTS at the possibility of him possessing a Warden. Which he could not possess before so to me it makes no sense at all

But what the game shows without a shadow of a doubt is that the player killed him. The hint is just that.. a hint.

headcannon, gotta love it........  Even when it conflicts what happens onscreen and in script 

This person took the words right out of my head: 

Sigh Coryphues has been hinted at being alive regardless of who you side with they fall down and twitch, after you take the final blow he says a lot of giberish then starts laughing, cuts to the wardens their speech patterns change, thanks you, smiles creepily, the ominous music starts playing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=74CdsB7RZOA
About 4:08 ish in is what I'm talking about, and later is the conversation with laurnis?

Based on what BW has done with characters that have "died/been killed" there is truth to both statements.  Did you strike a finishing blow to Corypheus (to some that means they have "killed" him)? YES.  Did he DIE? NO.  There are alot more supporting circumstances that support possession of who you sided with in the cutscene and in the script that follows.  

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Still... it is pretty interesting that he called out and expected an answer, regardless. It definitely wasn't business as usual. So if he had called out to Razikale or Lusacan, would be have heard a response...?

He definetly thought the old god was watching over him. The real Q is whether there was a real answer, or whether this was just the kind of prayer one dedicated to Dumat would utter. 

I have to think that Legacy was done as either a huge lead up to big things in the lore... or just a big "let's just do this because it would be awesome and just figure it all out later."

Heck, maybe that's the entire series for all we know. As long as they can try and tie a few more of the dangling plot ropes (because some have graduated from plot threads to full-fledged ropes at this point) in the next installment, it seems like they are staying on top of things for the most part. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 06 septembre 2013 - 01:53 .

[Renmiri1]

I think the bottom line here is that both sides have some evidence of their conviction that Corypheus is dead.. or alive.

To go around insulting others for disagreeing might be fun for a while but it is petty and childish in the end and after fall of 2014 no one will remember who said what because most of the people on the wrong side will try to pretend they never said it.

Just wait and see. I will.

[AresKeith]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I think the bottom line here is that both sides have some evidence of their conviction that Corypheus is dead.. or alive.

To go around insulting others for disagreeing might be fun for a while but it is petty and childish in the end and after fall of 2014 no one will remember who said what because most of the people on the wrong side will try to pretend they never said it.

Just wait and see. I will.

While Corypheus may or may not be in DA:I, it was highly hinted that he survived to battle with Hawke

[Spectre slayer]

Is it just me or does it sound like he's literally mocking you in between 4:11-4:18 since it sounds like he is saying something like " Is their a chill in the air" then he starts laughing.

Anyway I don't think he will be in this game since I think they are saving him for something.

[Maria Caliban]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Did he get only silence? I thought he was able to summon a lightning blast? My memory might be fuzzy on this. I know the shrine of Dumat did have some power in the DLC. 

The sacred ashes also had some power.

[jvaz]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I think the bottom line here is that both sides have some evidence of their conviction that Corypheus is dead.. or alive.

To go around insulting others for disagreeing might be fun for a while but it is petty and childish in the end and after fall of 2014 no one will remember who said what because most of the people on the wrong side will try to pretend they never said it.

Just wait and see. I will.

Except the fact that there is way more evidence that can be stringed together that supports him still being alive than dead.

[aries1001]

Remember that Corypheus said (small/major spoiler for Legacy ahead) "It was already black."
Thus referring to the fact? that when the magisters from Tevinter came to the Golden City, black it was already. And much speculation arose:

Who - and what - tainted the Golden City so that it was the Black City even before the Magisters from Tevinter arrived...

[Spectre slayer]

aries1001 wrote...

Remember that Corypheus said (small/major spoiler for Legacy ahead) "It was already black."
Thus referring to the fact? that when the magisters from Tevinter came to the Golden City, black it was already. And much speculation arose:

Who - and what - tainted the Golden City so that it was the Black City even before the Magisters from Tevinter arrived...

That's what I want to know aswell since the book said it happened sometime around -2800 Ancient which is about 4,700 years after Arthlan was founded and then there's this massive gap until Thailson claimed that Dumat taught him blood magic around -1595 ancient 5905 FA, then there's another gap in 7205 FA -395 is when the 1st blight begins so you're looking about 2300+ years of the city being tainted well before Coryphues and the magistrates arrived.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 06 septembre 2013 - 08:10 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

OK, Corypheus did NOT say "It was already Black." He said "But it was black... corrupt... darkness ever since..." He doesn't specify if it was Black when he got there or turned black as he entered. Also the timeline saying it was the Black City in 2800 Ancient was a mistake. Bioware admitted as much on their errors in World of Thedas thread.

[Spectre slayer]

You're talking about this right

Page 12 The timeline states that the Old Gods whispered to humanity from the Black City in -2800 Ancient. At this time, the legendary city would still be known as “The Golden City,” as it was not yet sullied by the presence of men.

That's one of their corrections which says it wasn't known as the black city yet and wasn't tainted.

With these corrections, perhaps the record has now been set straight. I hope you have found the tome as enlightening as I have.

http://blog.bioware....me-1-an-errata/

^ I already knew that before hand sorry but what Coryphues meant it was already tainted well before he got their and Dumat lied to them and said it was golden but in reality it wasn't anymore it was black.

Also I said after -2800 ancient and there's a massive gap of 2,300+ years before he even reached the city and before the blight. 

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 06 septembre 2013 - 09:13 .

[Ollys]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Corypheus is dead on my PT

 
You cannot kill Cory no matter what. He posess woman warden of blighter warden. You "free" him in one way or another.

[Jaulen]

aries1001 wrote...

Remember that Corypheus said (small/major spoiler for Legacy ahead) "It was already black."
Thus referring to the fact? that when the magisters from Tevinter came to the Golden City, black it was already. And much speculation arose:

Who - and what - tainted the Golden City so that it was the Black City even before the Magisters from Tevinter arrived...

THIS!

He says "We were promised a golden city, but it was black"

This is the whole reason I want Corpheus' story to continue
(and I am one who believes there is 100% evidence for him posessing one of the wardens (hey, they are the only tainted non-possessed people around) and 0% for him being truely dead.)

Can't belive more people don't mention that quote...

and what's one of the first things he asks your group when he awakens?
something to the effect of "Are you slaves to the dwarves?"

Modifié par Jaulen, 06 septembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[Taleroth]

aries1001 wrote...

Remember that Corypheus said (small/major spoiler for Legacy ahead) "It was already black."
Thus referring to the fact? that when the magisters from Tevinter came to the Golden City, black it was already. And much speculation arose:

Who - and what - tainted the Golden City so that it was the Black City even before the Magisters from Tevinter arrived...

This seems to assume the Golden City was ever truly golden.

But the truth of the matter is that we'll almost certainly never know the truth of the matter. Gaider likes some of the ambiguity and questions of the franchise. Perhaps dragons once ruled the golden city, then a plague erupted and it was quarantined. And the Old Gods sought to find out about their homeland only to be infected the same. Or maybe the blight is itself a particular demon, capable of possessing many, and that is its home. Or maybe the maker blighted it when he left. Or maybe Cory is just insane.

I think the writers like us to speculate.

[Renmiri1]

Ollys wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Corypheus is dead on my PT

 
You cannot kill Cory no matter what. He posess woman warden of blighter warden. You "free" him in one way or another.

No he doesn't the warden just can talk better without Cory controlling him / her.

That idea that the surviving Warden is possessed is just that - an idea. Game ends with some hints that it might be the cause but no definite proof. 

You keep your head canon I keep mine. Bioware left enough ambiguity for both of us to feel we are in the right track.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Ollys wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Corypheus is dead on my PT

 
You cannot kill Cory no matter what. He posess woman warden of blighter warden. You "free" him in one way or another.

No he doesn't the warden just can talk better without Cory controlling him / her.

That idea that the surviving Warden is possessed is just that - an idea. Game ends with some hints that it might be the cause but no definite proof. 

You keep your head canon I keep mine. Bioware left enough ambiguity for both of us to feel we are in the right track.

That doesn't make sense.

He went to the deep road in the first place because he had reached his calling and the calling slowly turns Grey Warden into Darkspawn.  So if Cory let him go then he should be searching for the 6th Old God like the rest of the darkspawn, instead he says his going to the First Warden which he shouldn't be doing in his state.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[Maria Caliban]

Taleroth wrote...
This seems to assume the Golden City was ever truly golden.

But the truth of the matter is that we'll almost certainly never know the truth of the matter.

It was Golden. Someone with the World of Thedas book would need to give the details.

[Ruairi46]

-__- We may never see him again, however he is defiantly still with us in some form or another. One of the possible aligned grey wardens is corrupted so as a previous person stated he would be searching for a new old god if the darkspawn had returned to his previous state.

[Mykel54]

To answer the OP: i think Corypheus will possess the Warden (yeah the past PC) or alternatively some other warden with high rank, maybe even the First Warden. Then from the shadows he uses the organization to fill his own purposes, like checking out the black city again.

Regardless i do not think he will stay in Janeka or Larius, he will seek some other more useful host. Also it is a perfect excuse for bioware to avoid the past choice and just make him possess someone new. It´s the kind of thing bioware loves to do to tie up the diverse plot points and end up with only one for everyone.

[Hellion Rex]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
This seems to assume the Golden City was ever truly golden.

But the truth of the matter is that we'll almost certainly never know the truth of the matter.

It was Golden. Someone with the World of Thedas book would need to give the details.

It was golden? Based on what testimony? The Chantry's?