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[Archontic]

i think the leviathan (whatever they're really called) should have been left alone. it stayed quiet and minded its own business for thousands of cycles, only acting out when someone tried to find it. Ann Bryson even called it "the monster than murdered [her] father" (which irritated me, because the only reason it did that was because it wanted to be left alone. i wouldn't get mad at a wolf for defending its territory [i also used this as an excuse to fry her brain]). the whole point of the DLC was to drag them into a fight that they didn't want to be part of.

granted they were responsible for the reapers and as such had a responsibility to end them, but given that the team didn't know that at the time, these (what I perceive as) characters flaws are still relevant. i firmly believe that if something wants to be left alone then you should leave it alone.

am i the only one that thinks shep and his team, if only in regards to the leviathan, should just **** off?

[Mcfly616]

Archontic wrote...

i think the leviathan (whatever they're really called) should have been left alone. it stayed quiet and minded its own business for thousands of cycles, only acting out when someone tried to find it. Ann Bryson even called it "the monster than murdered [her] father" (which irritated me, because the only reason it did that was because it wanted to be left alone. i wouldn't get mad at a wolf for defending its territory [i also used this as an excuse to fry her brain]). the whole point of the DLC was to drag them into a fight that they didn't want to be part of.

granted they were responsible for the reapers and as such had a responsibility to end them, but given that the team didn't know that at the time, these (what I perceive as) characters flaws are still relevant. i firmly believe that if something wants to be left alone then you should leave it alone.

am i the only one that thinks shep and his team, if only in regards to the leviathan, should just **** off?

nope....you're a human. You should understand our species curiosity and need to understand. Considering we already know what a wolf is, I wouldn't blame you for not getting mad at it for defending its territory. However, that's a pretty poor example when comparing it to Leviathan. Leviathan is a complete unknown.

[Burning Camels]

What you also need to put into account, is that the remaining Leviathans would have been able to realize when and if the Reapers had been defeated, so they may have returned from their hiding to establish their hold on the galaxy once again. And that may have not gone over well with the races that just lost half their species ending one war.

If Shepard hadn't gone down there to show them that the species were capable of living and they needn't be controlled, they might have tried to dominate everyone again.

[NeonFlux117]

meh. It's just an extension of the Mass Effect 3 game via paid DLC. It doesn't really add much, other than EMS points and major changes to the lore of Mass Effect. Although, lore and narrative take a back seat in ME3 to gameplay and 'bigger and sexier' aspects- like MP and 3rd person shooter elements. BioWare constantly reminds you of this. It's just a game, don't think about it to hard.

What's the point? Shepard's story is over and the Reaper conflict and war has been won!!!

Now please, continue the "legend" of Shepard through DLC.

[Excella Gionne]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Archontic wrote...

i think the leviathan (whatever they're really called) should have been left alone. it stayed quiet and minded its own business for thousands of cycles, only acting out when someone tried to find it. Ann Bryson even called it "the monster than murdered [her] father" (which irritated me, because the only reason it did that was because it wanted to be left alone. i wouldn't get mad at a wolf for defending its territory [i also used this as an excuse to fry her brain]). the whole point of the DLC was to drag them into a fight that they didn't want to be part of.

granted they were responsible for the reapers and as such had a responsibility to end them, but given that the team didn't know that at the time, these (what I perceive as) characters flaws are still relevant. i firmly believe that if something wants to be left alone then you should leave it alone.

am i the only one that thinks shep and his team, if only in regards to the leviathan, should just **** off?

nope....you're a human. You should understand our species curiosity and need to understand. Considering we already know what a wolf is, I wouldn't blame you for not getting mad at it for defending its territory. However, that's a pretty poor example when comparing it to Leviathan. Leviathan is a complete unknown.

What @Mcfly616 said. Humans are curious even if it gets us killed. Since it killed Bryson's father she was determined to look for Leviathan even more, because she didn't want to discontinue what he died for. I actually like this DLC, because it brings some closure into the backgrounds of the Reapers and why they were created. In the end, they are to blame for the creation of the Reapers, it's only reasonable for them to face their own responsibilities instead of hiding from it. 

[Wolfva2]

Yeah, I was annoyed by that DLC as well. Not to mention Shepards reason for going on a Leviathan hunt. I mean, c'mon! All we know at the beginning is these are creatures that apparently survived a purging and ruled the galaxy by enslaving other races with their minds. When I got to that one planet and saw the wall paintings of them worshiping the Levis, that's where I'd've said, "Well! Time to go home!" The entire setting was a wild goose chase with a very small chance of finding out something and an EXTREMELY large chance of dying, thus ruining your chances of ending the Reaper menace. Then again, Shepard died once, and all it did was ****** him off....

These were creatures who wanted to be left alone, who were in hiding of the reapers. So what does Shep do? He confronts them and brings a freaking Reaper with him thus giving away their hiding spot then tells them 'You better help us now!" Heck, he's lucky the levi didn't just fry his brain....or keep him down there to slowly asphixiate, then hide on another planet or something.

On the other hand, it WAS nice finding out information about the Reapers, and the husk head makes for a nice and macabre chotzky to put on your table.

[KaiserShep]

I wouldn't care for the welfare of the Leviathan or what they prefer to do myself. As something capable of fighting the reapers, it seems sensible enough to drag it out into the open and force it to take part. If that ends in its destruction, then I guess the reapers would finally complete that mission before they die.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:07 .

[Wolfva2]

The problem isn't so much that it might end in the Leviathan's destruction...the problem is it might end in YOUR destruction before you even have a chance to take out the Reapers <G>. Of course, now they'd be another problem to deal with since the Reapers are gone and they think they're gods who are owed worship...

[Remix-General Aetius]

the Leviathans were supposed to join the war, but instead they gave us their little balls to play with lol, and give us some lame Dominate bonus power that is utterly useless because enemies don't last long enough to be "dominated".

and then people say Leviathan is better than Omega.........don't make me laugh, my face will break!! Aria takes us on an ****kicking spree and rewards us with two wicked powers that wreak havoc on the battlefield.

Flare is a total beast, and I unlock it from the get go in all new playthroughs, replacing Warp with it. Dominate sucks, and that's all we really get from Leviathan. that, their little balls and a giant exposure tray.

Modifié par TheGarden2010, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[Archontic]

KaiserShep wrote...

I wouldn't care for the welfare of the Leviathan or what they prefer to do myself. As something capable of fighting the reapers, it seems sensible enough to drag it out into the open and force it to take part. If that ends in its destruction, then I guess the reapers would finally complete that mission before they die.

for me it's less about it being a good strategy and more about being kind of a **** thing to do.

as i said though, i know that on a larger scale the leviathans had it coming given that they're responsible for all of this, what i take issue with is the way team shep acted before they even knew that. the ones who blame it on human curiosity were right though; i think it's generally a fine trait, but there is a point where i feel it becomes an abhorrent one.

in any case ann's brain is dripping out of her ears now, and as it turns out the leviathans were ****s. so that softens things up just a bit for me.

[GimmeDaGun]

No, I'm not. It's my favorite dlc actually.

[KaiserShep]

Wolfva2 wrote...
Of course, now they'd be another problem to deal with since the Reapers are gone and they think they're gods who are owed worship...

I doubt they'd last long against the rest of the galaxy if they decided to actually come out of hiding. They can only enthrall so many before they cause a problem for themselves. Heck, hurling asteroids at planets is apparently well within the power of even a small group of people, and I doubt the more aggressive races in the galaxy would oppose doing it.

Archontic wrote...

for me it's less about it being a good strategy and more about being kind of a **** thing to do.

I can see it from that point of view, but the thing is, if you're facing full on extinction, it seems prudent to try to find as much help as you can. If the Leviathan is a sentient being that is also threatened by the reapers, and is capable of killing them, you'd think that this should be investigated, especially since your only other plan is a mysterious device you're pouring resources into yet have no idea how it will work. In that situation, I would gladly throw the Leviathan under the bus if it meant having a better shot against a galactic pandemic, even if they were truly benevolent.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Hey]

while i do fully support leaving people the **** alone i think we had to investigate this.

[KaiserShep]

Festae9 wrote...

while i do fully support leaving people the **** alone i think we had to investigate this.

And really, only they know about the actual source of the reapers, which is kind of a big deal. What they want is greatly outweighed by the potential significance of that information. Of course, this is more of an after-the-fact issue, but the fact that they can kill reapers matters just as much.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[Lhawke]

The only thing that annoyed me about the dlc was not being able to nuke the planet and put end to them.

[KaiserShep]

Lhawke wrote...

The only thing that annoyed me about the dlc was not being able to nuke the planet and put end to them.

Eh, they're useful for a time. Just head-canon that you nudged the Krogan to send an asteroid their way. It wouldn't be hard to do. "Hey, guess what, these things are responsible for the reapers. Have fun."

[David7204]

Or you could not betray someone after they help you out.

Sometimes that works.

[KaiserShep]

Why so serious?

[SvM madman]

David7204 wrote...

Or you could not betray someone after they help you out.

Sometimes that works.

That never works

[Sir DeLoria]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

the Leviathans were supposed to join the war, but instead they gave us their little balls to play with lol, and give us some lame Dominate bonus power that is utterly useless because enemies don't last long enough to be "dominated".

and then people say Leviathan is better than Omega.........don't make me laugh, my face will break!! Aria takes us on an ****kicking spree and rewards us with two wicked powers that wreak havoc on the battlefield.

Flare is a total beast, and I unlock it from the get go in all new playthroughs, replacing Warp with it. Dominate sucks, and that's all we really get from Leviathan. that, their little balls and a giant exposure tray.

Well, Leviathan at least includes your squadmates and doesn't have that ***** Aria in it. I admit, poking around in the lab gets dull, but the missions are pretty nice in Leviathan.

[KaiserShep]

I actually liked investigating the lab. I just wish it had more stuff to look through.

[AlexMBrennan]

which irritated me, because the only reason it did that was because it wanted to be left alone. i wouldn't get mad at a wolf for defending its territory

Let me get this straight - if your dad was killed by a wolf whilst you are out camping, you'd be fine with it? A wolf only has instinct but intelligent beings have to consider disproportionate force - for example, in most civilised countries it's considered bad to shoot people for playing music because "you wanted to be left alone"

[Kataphrut94]

I reckon it's one of the best DLCs. It's very similar to Overlord, except with squadmates who haven't been mysteriously struck mute.

[Mcfly616]

It's the best DLC in the trilogy (imo)


Better than LotSB, and not even comparable to that snooze-fest that was OverLord.

[KaiserShep]

The only part of Overlord that I particularly liked was getting David out of Atlas Station and pistol whipping Gavin Archer. If not for that I would probably not replay it whenever I replay ME2. LotSB will always be my favorite next to Citadel, but as far as actual story-related DLC's go, Leviathan is pretty up there.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:13 .